alabamagal
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Post by alabamagal on Oct 14, 2018 20:32:43 GMT -5
I had 2 vacations in FL cut short several years ago due to Hurricanes. If you are there to do outdoor activities, why stay there and be stuck inside for 3 days of bad weather? Even the “no refund” resort refunded my money. Time those vacations. I took a cruise during hurricane season. Cheap but dicey. We have been going to Florida Keys with family and friends for 2nd week of August for 40 years. Only once during that time were we impacted by hurricane. That year the weather was bad all week and had just improved right before the hurricane. We ended up leaving one day early. Other time was on gulf coast. We were at Mexico beach and left one day early.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 14, 2018 23:32:58 GMT -5
I don't mean there are perfect places free from Natural Occurring Conditions. If you build or buy in a known Flood Plain expect to get floods.
If you build or buy something close to the beach in Hurricane Country, you can expect damage. If you do build or buy in these areas, you or build accordingly.
If I lived in tornado Country,, I most certainly would have a storm shelter. Here in AZ we now survived two Ex Hurricane s in the last month. First one, some wind, lots of rain,, Yesterday rain!. Here we get Summer storms from the monsoon,, which can be 15 minute Hurricanes! Your storm shelter wouldn't do anything for your property, so I wouldn't feel sorry for you if you bought or built in Tornado country and your house was removed by natural causes. Maybe you build for possible situations.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 15, 2018 14:26:32 GMT -5
I don't mean there are perfect places free from Natural Occurring Conditions. If you build or buy in a known Flood Plain expect to get floods.
If you build or buy something close to the beach in Hurricane Country, you can expect damage. If you do build or buy in these areas, you or build accordingly.
If I lived in tornado Country,, I most certainly would have a storm shelter. Here in AZ we now survived two Ex Hurricane s in the last month. First one, some wind, lots of rain,, Yesterday rain!. Here we get Summer storms from the monsoon,, which can be 15 minute Hurricanes! Are you suggesting better governmental regulations on buildings? Cause I wouldn't necessarily spend the big bucks to build a flood proof or huricane proof house while all my neighbors skimped on the protections.... they'd kill my property value.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 15, 2018 14:30:27 GMT -5
I also noticed that most of the Hurricane Damage being reported was in, um, poorer areas (mostly because of where the Hurricane came ashore).
Maybe the solution is to have some regulations that if you can't build up to hurricane building code you can't build at all. Either that or make more of the Florida coast line "natural" and NOT allow any additonal building of "permanent residences". That way rich people could build their second homes (and rent them out) and then the government could help them out when disaster strikes. The "tourist" places (hotels/motels/tourist entertainment places) could still exist and profit. All the people who worked at the "tourist" places could live in trailer homes and other "non-permanent" places OWNED by the who ever owns the "tourist" places.... you know a Pullman or Hersey or a Steinway.
Sounds like a great money making opportunity!
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Post by justme on Oct 15, 2018 19:23:40 GMT -5
I also noticed that most of the Hurricane Damage being reported was in, um, poorer areas (mostly because of where the Hurricane came ashore). Maybe the solution is to have some regulations that if you can't build up to hurricane building code you can't build at all. Either that or make more of the Florida coast line "natural" and NOT allow any additonal building of "permanent residences". That way rich people could build their second homes (and rent them out) and then the government could help them out when disaster strikes. The "tourist" places (hotels/motels/tourist entertainment places) could still exist and profit. All the people who worked at the "tourist" places could live in trailer homes and other "non-permanent" places OWNED by the who ever owns the "tourist" places.... you know a Pullman or Hersey or a Steinway. Sounds like a great money making opportunity! In some ways it was poor because no hurricane had wiped out the houses so it was a bunch of really old houses. No one wants to pay big bucks for those houses, but they were built to very old standards, and the low house prices meant many didn't have the cash to retrofit houses to withstand hurricanes.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Oct 15, 2018 20:00:55 GMT -5
This story was very interesting ~ it's about a recently-built house that survived in Mexico Beach, Florida The building codes on the Atlantic side of Florida have higher standards that the building codes on the Panhandle. At some point, that may change and more stringent codes may help more homes and buildings withstand storms.
As for me, I live in California. We have homeowners insurance, flood insurance, and earthquake insurance. Our biggest threat, however, is probably bad drivers and drive-by-shootings / gang violence.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Oct 15, 2018 20:02:36 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 15, 2018 20:07:03 GMT -5
Seems tome there was e ough time to get those airplanes out of harm's way. Florida, especially southern Florida, is a good launching location for flights to the Carribbean and South American nations.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 15, 2018 22:21:50 GMT -5
The weather is getting more and more extreme due to climate change. People who laid down roots in certain places years ago didn't expect these changes. We're getting "once in a lifetime" rainstorms where we get a years worth of rain in one day, on a regular basis. Terrible flooding. Hurricanes are intensifying because the ocean temperature is warmer. Warmer weather is also intensifying horrific large-scale wildfires. Just last month, we had six tornadoes touch down in Ottawa/Gatineau in the same time period and cause massive destruction. There's no place to go. We did this and now we're reaping the results. Seven months of rain fell in France, in just a few short hours. Deadly flash floods. Nothing to see here, folks! Nothing is happening and there's nothing to worry about! Monday, October 15, 2018, 5:50 PM - At least 12 people died in southwestern France on Monday when some of the worst flash floods in a century turned rivers into raging torrents that engulfed homes and swept away cars. Up to seven months' rain fell in just a few hours overnight, local officials said, catching sleeping residents by surprise and isolating villages. www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/articles/flash-flooding-kills-at-least-a-dozen-in-southern-france-storms-hurricane-remnants-michael-leslie/115102/
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Post by nittanycheme on Oct 24, 2018 20:56:49 GMT -5
I also noticed that most of the Hurricane Damage being reported was in, um, poorer areas (mostly because of where the Hurricane came ashore). Maybe the solution is to have some regulations that if you can't build up to hurricane building code you can't build at all. Either that or make more of the Florida coast line "natural" and NOT allow any additonal building of "permanent residences". That way rich people could build their second homes (and rent them out) and then the government could help them out when disaster strikes. The "tourist" places (hotels/motels/tourist entertainment places) could still exist and profit. All the people who worked at the "tourist" places could live in trailer homes and other "non-permanent" places OWNED by the who ever owns the "tourist" places.... you know a Pullman or Hersey or a Steinway. Sounds like a great money making opportunity! In some ways it was poor because no hurricane had wiped out the houses so it was a bunch of really old houses. No one wants to pay big bucks for those houses, but they were built to very old standards, and the low house prices meant many didn't have the cash to retrofit houses to withstand hurricanes. True, and counties/states tend not to force people to update to the new codes when they put new codes in place. Look at what happened when NY tried to get older high rises to retrofit sprinkler systems in the buildings. Lawsuits happened, so they stopped requiring the retrofit. Then when older buildings catch on fire, more people die since they can't get out. But you can't always retrofit existing construction to new codes anyway- that's also why a lot of local gov'ts only require it if you are doing a major reno in your house, and then you only need to do it on that renovated area. Storm water mitigation is the same thing; we just had a bunch of awful rainstorms in our area and had horrible flooding. A guy on facebook was complaining about how the county is requiring all of this storm water mitigiation stuff and why didn't it stop the flooding - well, the places that flooded have been flooding for years when we have bad storms. It wasn't the newer places that actually put in drainage/water direction stuff, but the older areas that still weren't touched. It just seems much worse now because it isn't once every couple of years; now its a couple of times the same year. I really hope this level of precipitation doesn't convert over to snow in the winter. We'll all be buried and won't be able to get out till spring.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 24, 2018 21:34:05 GMT -5
... All the people who worked at the "tourist" places could live in trailer homes and other "non-permanent" places OWNED by the who ever owns the "tourist" places.... you know a Pullman or Hersey or a Steinway. Sounds like a great money making opportunity! Would be good to read up a little before jumping on this: 5 Famous Company Towns
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