I don't understand the attraction to Hagee

[ugonow]

for politicians. Why do they cozy up to him looking for endorsement?IMO,he is a nut.www.rightwingwatch.org/content/gingrich-has-no-problem-being-seen-john-hagee

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Can not claim to know much about him, but I am more concerned that our Prez's spiritual mentor is Rev Jeremiah Wright, a racist, hate mongering, anti-Semite:

Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11
Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric'

1553 comments By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
March 13, 2008
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

[ugonow]

Maybe it is Hagees foreign policy advice they desire------"Hagee holds many other radical beliefs. In a 2006 address to CUFI, Hagee declared:

"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ." "

[handyman2]

Hagee has a lot of religious followers who will vote by what he says. In a sense he is the leader of his own tea party.

[ed1066]

In addition to Obama's twenty year history of attending a virulently anti-Semitic and racist church, I wonder why he and other Democrats cozy up to the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, the NAACP and other racists and racist organizations...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Hagee is the biggest of the old time christian fundamentalists. While the rest of the gang is off trying to find their best life now, and live a purpose driven life, and develop their own version of Oprah and Rush Limbaugh with a little Christian flavoring-- John Hagee is talking about your best after life. Christianity has become little more than a tool to make the temporary life on earth a little better. Very few ministers are still talking about Heaven, hell, salvation, damnnation, righteousnees, and sin.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The result is that Hagee has a HUGE following of the remnant. That peculiar people who are seeking God in spirit and in truth.

[workpublic]

[ugonow]

He seems to dislike Catholics as much as muslims.

[Tennesseer]

According to some Christians, Catholics are not Christian.

[safeharbor37]

I'm not a televangelist and I don't play one on TV, but I've watched a lot of them over the years. It's a whole different world. I never cared for Hagee and don't think I ever listened to a whole sermon by him, but I think that he pretty much represents the typical born-again fundamentalist. I think he pretty much sticks to religion and only delves into politics when something political intersects something religious.
I really don't think he is interested in political activism as Falwell was and Robertson sometimes is, but I get the idea that Hagee says what's on his mind and that's respected in the fundamentalist community [as long as it's not to far off the beaten path].
His style grates my nerves and I suspect a lot of those who don't particularly care for religion [or Christianity] find him equally irritating. On the other hand, those in the "fire and brimstone" tradition can't get enough. It's a matter of taste. I always preferred D. James Kennedy and Charles Stanley, but they too would get on the nerves of non-Christians or liberal [liberation] theology Christians.
Politically I think it's helpful if you don't get on the wrong side of people like Hagee [or people who like Hagee] unless you're counting on the support of the likes of the Good Rev. Wright and Bill Moyers.

[safeharbor37]

According to some Christians, Catholics are not Christian.

Some Catholics don't think anyone who's not a Catholic is a Christian. What's your point?

[Tennesseer]

Mar 29, 2011 12:09:18 GMT -5 safeharbor37 said:

According to some Christians, Catholics are not Christian.

Some Catholics don't think anyone who's not a Catholic is a Christian. What's your point?

ugonow
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He seems to dislike Catholics as much as muslims.

My point. Do you have a problem with that? If you do, get over it.

[safeharbor37]

Your problem is that you don't have a point. You make hateful comments and just leave them hanging. There are Jews who don't acknowledge other people who claim to be Jewish and many "real" Muslims don't acknowledge "Black" Muslims. It isn't a Christian thing.
And no, I don't have a problem with that.

[Tennesseer]

Well good then.

From Hagee in 08 on Catholicism:

"A Godless theology of hate that no one dared try to stop for a thousand years produced a harvest of hate."

[ugonow]

He said he was sorry-----
,---- May 13, 2008 / 06:17 pm (CNA).- An apologetic letter sent by the Texas pastor Rev. John Hagee to the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights has put an end to the controversy surrounding his alleged anti-Catholic views, the Catholic League said on Tuesday.

Hagee had been criticized for reportedly calling the Catholic Church “The Great Whore,” an “apostate church,” the “anti-Christ,” and a “false cult system.” He had also accused the Catholic Church of nurturing anti-Semitism. Hagee repeated allegations of Pope Pius XII’s indifference to Nazism and linked Adolf Hitler’s anti-Semitism to his Catholic education.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 29, 2011 12:34:42 GMT -5 ugonow said:

He said he was sorry-----
,---- May 13, 2008 / 06:17 pm (CNA).- An apologetic letter sent by the Texas pastor Rev. John Hagee to the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights has put an end to the controversy surrounding his alleged anti-Catholic views, the Catholic League said on Tuesday.

Hagee had been criticized for reportedly calling the Catholic Church “The Great Whore,” an “apostate church,” the “anti-Christ,” and a “false cult system.” He had also accused the Catholic Church of nurturing anti-Semitism. Hagee repeated allegations of Pope Pius XII’s indifference to Nazism and linked Adolf Hitler’s anti-Semitism to his Catholic education.

File that apology in the Senator Robert Byrd folder. Once said-forever forgiven.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Well, those catholics must be crazy, too because they issues a formal apology for their inaction during the holocaust...

tech.mit.edu/V118/N13/bvatican.13w.html

The Roman Catholic Church formally apologized Monday for failing to take more decisive action in challenging the Nazi regime during World War II to stop the extermination of more than 6 million Jews.

But in a long-awaited document on the church's role in the Holocaust, the Vatican defended Pope Pius XII, who headed the church during the war, from accusations that he turned a blind eye to the systematic killing of Jews. Some critics say Pius was motivated by church religious prejudices dating from the death of Jesus Christ.

Pope John Paul II, in a preface to the landmark publication entitled "We Remember: A Reflection on the Shoah," expressed hope that the historic declaration of repentance by the Vatican about Catholic shortcomings in dealing with the Holocaust "will indeed help to heal the wounds of past misunderstandings and injustices."

It's funny, normally in any discussion of Christianity- the libs would be reminding us of the "Crusades". It's their favorite whipping post upon which they love to tie us Christians. Now, we have them defending Catholics from this "nut".

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 29, 2011 11:57:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

According to some Christians, Catholics are not Christian.

Some Christians believe this. I personnally do not. I frankly have a problem with all denominations, religions, and systems of belief.

I think all who classify themselves as believers by the Apostle's Creed are Christian.

But more importantly, I think it's about a relationship with Jesus Christ. There are many Catholics who have a relationship, and many Baptists, Assemblies of God, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc. who do not. It's an individual thing.

[workpublic]

creflo dollar is much less grating.

[ugonow]

It's funny, normally in any discussion of Christianity- the libs would be reminding us of the "Crusades". It's their favorite whipping post upon which they love to tie us Christians. Now, we have them defending Catholics from this "nut".

No, I just don't understand why so many politicians want to be linked to such a polarizing figure. I don't care how many groups "this nut" offends.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 29, 2011 13:13:09 GMT -5 ugonow said:

It's funny, normally in any discussion of Christianity- the libs would be reminding us of the "Crusades". It's their favorite whipping post upon which they love to tie us Christians. Now, we have them defending Catholics from this "nut".

No, I just don't understand why so many politicians want to be linked to such a polarizing figure. I don't care how many groups "this nut" offends.

I suspect it's because he's a lot less polarizing than you think. America is not only a Christian nation, but is the home of protestant evangelicalism on planet earth.

I suspect that John Hagee is the unofficial new voice of the "Christian Coalition" which hasn't diminished in political power since the 1980's, it's just been quieter.

Further, I think you can't ignore his Christian Zionism and the belief many Americans hold that we are at war with radical islam, and that Israel is the God-given home of God's chosen people.

These things sound "extreme" and "whacky" to people who have been indoctrinated their whole lives with the belief that these things are "extreme" and "whacky"-- but to a whole lot of evangelical Christians in America, they are as true as the rain is wet.

You might get elected in San Francisco or New York City shunning evangelical Christians friendly towards Israel and the Jews-- but in about 40 states, you won't win a precinct.

When you boil it down, the question almost answers itself: Why are politicians enamoured of Reverend Hagee? What do politicians need and want? Money and votes.

As I said-- he's a lot less polarizing than you think.

[safeharbor37]

I don't care for Creflo either. He's a part of what's known as "prosperity ministry." It's not new [Oral Roberts who was also a "faith healer] and there are lots of them around. They tend to be Pentecostal and talk a lot about "seed money" which translates to, "Send money!" It takes all kinds and I suppose "prosperity ministers" actually do help some, but it's really not scriptural.

[workpublic]

agree safe. God wants you to be rich ;D

[workpublic]

themoderatevoice.com/36240/muslim-cleric-charges-pepsi-is-a-zionist-plot/

here's some muslim "enlightenment" ;D

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 29, 2011 13:32:07 GMT -5 workpublic said:

agree safe. God wants you to be rich ;D

I am not a prosperity gospel person, but I have an equally big problem with the "God wants you to be poor" crowd (who mostly tend to be Baptists in my personal anecdotal experience).

Is God's Word true?

If you read it, you find it talks more about money than heaven and hell combined. Proverbs is full of the blessing of the wise, and the poverty of the fools.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

If Pepsi were a Zionist plot, I'd switch.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

To Pepsi.

[safeharbor37]

Prosperity ministries do a lot of good in encouraging those who are having a hard time. A lot of people laugh at the "tithe" suggested [or demanded] by some ministries, but, in general, those who tithe do better than those who don't. Part of that [imho] is that it's the first step in learning to budget, but who knows.
However, the idea that "God doesn't want you to suffer." is so contradictory to experience and to scripture that it's borderline heresy.
The sad part of discussing religion on this board, in addition to the fact that it's off subject, is that hardly anyone is interested in finding the truth and so it usually boils down to mud slinging.
God has a plan for you, but it's not necessarily that you get [or stay] rich. The rule is that you only need to know two things about God:
1] There is one.
2] You aren't him.
It's just that simple, but unfortunately beyond the grasp of most, even those who'd like to understand.

[handyman2]

The real problem that gives the prosperity movement a bad name is that there are some that really are a rip off. Same with some televangilists that beg for money to feed African children. Most of the money for some go to high administration fees namely the guy asking for money. You have to be careful who you send money to. This is also true of groups that want money for other causes. need to check them out before helping out.