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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 7, 2018 12:51:11 GMT -5
You're looking at the same facts as Paul. It's a quibble over whether Halper's actions constitute "spying", and Rep. Rooney obviously doesn't think so. But he's not contesting the facts Paul is presenting via the CTH.  |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 7, 2018 12:52:28 GMT -5
What passes for journalism on the left is laughable. I find it wildly amusing that after decades of fake news, you're defending it against open competition. Guess you want to go back to the days when three old white dudes told everyone "the way it is" on three different channels wearing vaguely different suits. As opposed to... Alex Jones? Rush Limbaugh? Bill O'Reilly? When did they change color? How many women and POC write for the Conservative Treehouse? Pieces of crap?  |
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2018 13:04:59 GMT -5
You're looking at the same facts as Paul. It's a quibble over whether Halper's actions constitute "spying", and Rep. Rooney obviously doesn't think so. But he's not contesting the facts Paul is presenting via the CTH. I know.
Paul sees a rainbow and think's it's contrails left by a dark hat/black hole globalist stealth plane inserting spies into the country to bring down the greatest president our country has ever seen, and he is the only human being who knows the full extend of this foul plot.
I see a rainbow and I admire how the sun makes a prism out of raindrops.
Then I usually think about leprechauns.
Someday, this will pass, but I don't think the people who believe in this hidden, black hat/dark matter fiddle faddle will ever give up their belief it exists, not matter what concrete evidence comes to the surface, or who the messenger is. It will all be dismissed as 'fake.'
Kind of like the people who think the moon is hollow and full of UN troops about to invade us with black helicopters. They'll never stop believing that.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2018 13:20:14 GMT -5
I don't need no stinkin' journalist, I've got Right Wing Nut House!  What passes for journalism on the left is laughable. I find it wildly amusing that after decades of fake news, you're defending it against open competition. Guess you want to go back to the days when three old white dudes told everyone "the way it is" on three different channels wearing vaguely different suits. There is zero competition between actual news sources and blog postings by random people on the internet.
People who understand journalism know how to figure out whether a website is fact based journalism or the random musings of some right leaning or left leaning person with an axe to grind.
Those people who can't tell the difference are condemned to spending their lives being mislead by self important petty prophets like Limbaugh.
Sad.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2018 13:22:39 GMT -5
National Socialist German Workers Party? Leftist populist socialist. Yes, actually he was today's Democratic Party-- complete with the rabid, foaming at the mouth antisemitism. Some of the best revisionist historical fiction I have ever seen right there. I felt kinda bad about pulling out the Hitler card. But you made me feel better thanks! Yeah I got stumped on the 'rabid, foaming at the mouth anti-Semitism' myself.
Maybe there were some, way back prior to WWII when it was more common to be anti-Semitic in general?
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Post by midjd on Jun 7, 2018 13:23:24 GMT -5
As opposed to... Alex Jones? Rush Limbaugh? Bill O'Reilly? When did they change color? How many women and POC write for the Conservative Treehouse? Pieces of crap? People of color. Nice comment. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 7, 2018 14:17:46 GMT -5
Pieces of crap? People of color. Nice comment. Ah. I was thinking "POS" ... "POC" ... Obviously wasn't in the right mindset. I'll try to remember that for future. "People of colour". What a joke. We spend a whole century trying to get rid of references to colour, and now it's en vogue.  |
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2018 15:22:41 GMT -5
People of color. Nice comment. Ah. I was thinking "POS" ... "POC" ... Obviously wasn't in the right mindset. I'll try to remember that for future. "People of colour". What a joke. We spend a whole century trying to get rid of references to colour, and now it's en vogue. Not really en vogue.
It's just short hand, so you don't have to list Asians, middle easterners, Africans, African americans, Asian americans, Hispanics, Hispanic americans, et al.
didn't used to be much need for the term, until we got a POTUS who shows a strong preference for people who are not POC, but since then, it seems to crop up with alarming frequency.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 7, 2018 17:26:09 GMT -5
Ah. I was thinking "POS" ... "POC" ... Obviously wasn't in the right mindset. I'll try to remember that for future. "People of colour". What a joke. We spend a whole century trying to get rid of references to colour, and now it's en vogue. Not really en vogue.
It's just short hand, so you don't have to list Asians, middle easterners, Africans, African americans, Asian americans, Hispanics, Hispanic americans, et al.
didn't used to be much need for the term, until we got a POTUS who shows a strong preference for people who are not POC, but since then, it seems to crop up with alarming frequency.
"Non-whites". One less syllable, six fewer characters, doesn't incorporate the word "colour", and means precisely what it says.
Is this factual or is it doublespeak for "hires staff proportional to their representation in the GOP labour pool" (i.e. he shows no preference to minorities)?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 7, 2018 22:55:32 GMT -5
National Socialist German Workers Party? Leftist populist socialist. Yes, actually he was today's Democratic Party-- complete with the rabid, foaming at the mouth antisemitism. Some of the best revisionist historical fiction I have ever seen right there. I felt kinda bad about pulling out the Hitler card. But you made me feel better thanks! Oh, no- the best revisionist history is describing Hitler and National Socialism as "right wing". That and the party of slavery, secession, and Jim Crow calling Republicans racist. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 7, 2018 22:59:06 GMT -5
Criminal Indictment Unsealed (hmmm, so there was at least one (1) criminal indictment- could there be others?) Moments Ago:theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/06/07/senior-senate-staffer-james-a-wolfe-arrested-for-leaking-classified-documents-to-multiple-media-outlets-indictment-pdf-below/Senior Senate Staffer James A Wolfe Arrested For Leaking Classified Documents To Multiple Media Outlets – Indictment pdf below…
In a just released 11-page federal indictment (full pdf below) a Senior Staff official for the Senate Select Committee Intelligence, James A. Wolfe, has been identified as leaking secret and top-secret classified information to multiple media sources. Mr. Wolfe was arrested Thursday night by federal marshals. (direct link to justice pdf)
According to the indictment, Mr. Wolfe (58, pictured above), the former director of security, lied to the FBI when he was questioned about his involvement in leaking classified intelligence to the media. Last night the Senate Intelligence Committee agreed to release documents to the DOJ/FBI investigators.
Earlier today it was revealed a New York Times journalist, and former 3-year girlfriend to Mr. Wolfe, had her phone and email communication seized by investigators.
The criminal indictment was unsealed moments ago: www.scribd.com/document/381310366/James-Wolfe-Indictment-Senate-Intelligence-Committee-Leaker
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 8, 2018 7:09:11 GMT -5
Not really en vogue.
It's just short hand, so you don't have to list Asians, middle easterners, Africans, African americans, Asian americans, Hispanics, Hispanic americans, et al.
didn't used to be much need for the term, until we got a POTUS who shows a strong preference for people who are not POC, but since then, it seems to crop up with alarming frequency.
"Non-whites". One less syllable, six fewer characters, doesn't incorporate the word "colour", and means precisely what it says.
Is this factual or is it doublespeak for "hires staff proportional to their representation in the GOP labour pool" (i.e. he shows no preference to minorities)?
no double speak. He condemns himself as a racist with his own words and actions.
I started to list out a bunch of Trump's racist remarks, but there are so many, it's too cumbersome to type. Let's just say it started with him announcing his run for president by claiming Mexicans entering the country illegally are all rapists and murderers (despite the statistics that show native born Americans are far more likely to commit crimes than illegal immigrants). He launched his campaign by stirring up fear of Hispanics and boasting about a Wall that is unlikely to ever get built.
Actually let's go back to when he was the primary force behind the whole 'Obama isn't American' birthergate, which he steadfastly insisted was true (all evidence to the contrary) until the day prior to a debate with Hillary, when he knew she would mop the floor with him if he clung to that lie.
I actually don't care that his staff is mostly white men and pretty younger women. What concerns me more is how he's empowered the neo Nazis, white supremists, KKK members and other violent racist hate groups to think they've become 'mainstream' because their president doesn't condemn them, but instead helps to fan the racist divide in the country with his race bombs.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 8, 2018 9:34:34 GMT -5
Regarding the first assertion, it is ridiculous. Look, I majored in this sort of stuff at university. The German Nazis were an extreme right wing group. Period. They were die-hard nationalists and die-hard socialists, just like the name would imply. Draw a Venn diagram of Nazism and it would have overlaps with both the extreme right and the middle-to-extreme left in modern US politics. Overlap with the left includes nationalization (i.e. administration by the state) of virtually every major industry and service, state schooling, eugenics, a societal shift away from family/community/church to the state, progressive taxation, a constitution based on "ethics" as opposed to moral laws, and promotion of women in the workplace. Overlap with the far right includes a belief in white supremacy (specifically, supremacy of the Aryan race), hatred of ethnic Jews, and intolerance of homosexuality.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 8, 2018 9:54:30 GMT -5
"Non-whites". One less syllable, six fewer characters, doesn't incorporate the word "colour", and means precisely what it says.
Is this factual or is it doublespeak for "hires staff proportional to their representation in the GOP labour pool" (i.e. he shows no preference to minorities)?
no double speak. He condemns himself as a racist with his own words and actions.
I started to list out a bunch of Trump's racist remarks, but there are so many, it's too cumbersome to type. Let's just say it started with him announcing his run for president by claiming Mexicans entering the country illegally are all rapists and murderers (despite the statistics that show native born Americans are far more likely to commit crimes than illegal immigrants). He launched his campaign by stirring up fear of Hispanics and boasting about a Wall that is unlikely to ever get built.
Actually let's go back to when he was the primary force behind the whole 'Obama isn't American' birthergate, which he steadfastly insisted was true (all evidence to the contrary) until the day prior to a debate with Hillary, when he knew she would mop the floor with him if he clung to that lie.
I actually don't care that his staff is mostly white men and pretty younger women. What concerns me more is how he's empowered the neo Nazis, white supremists, KKK members and other violent racist hate groups to think they've become 'mainstream' because their president doesn't condemn them, but instead helps to fan the racist divide in the country with his race bombs. I don't consider his statement about Mexican border jumpers or his desire to build a wall to meet the definition of racism. Nor was birthergate motivated by racism. Nor was his reference to third world "shitholes" racism.
As for the "empowered" groups you mention, you're engaging in the same kind of guilt-by-association and guilt-by-inaction the board condemned during Pres. Obama's tenure, when the right was blaming Pres. Obama for the race conflagrations in Baltimore, Ferguson, etc. Hence I can't take your accusations in this regard seriously either. But back to the point: your claim wasn't that Pres. Trump makes racist statements; it was that he "shows a strong preference for people who are not POC". The only statement in your post that speaks to this claim is "I actually don't care that his staff is mostly white men and pretty younger women." My question to you was/is: does the demographic makeup of his staff reflect the demographic makeup of the Republican labour pool? If so, you surely can't cite this as evidence of your assertion on his preferences.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 8, 2018 10:15:09 GMT -5
no double speak. He condemns himself as a racist with his own words and actions.
I started to list out a bunch of Trump's racist remarks, but there are so many, it's too cumbersome to type. Let's just say it started with him announcing his run for president by claiming Mexicans entering the country illegally are all rapists and murderers (despite the statistics that show native born Americans are far more likely to commit crimes than illegal immigrants). He launched his campaign by stirring up fear of Hispanics and boasting about a Wall that is unlikely to ever get built.
Actually let's go back to when he was the primary force behind the whole 'Obama isn't American' birthergate, which he steadfastly insisted was true (all evidence to the contrary) until the day prior to a debate with Hillary, when he knew she would mop the floor with him if he clung to that lie.
I actually don't care that his staff is mostly white men and pretty younger women. What concerns me more is how he's empowered the neo Nazis, white supremists, KKK members and other violent racist hate groups to think they've become 'mainstream' because their president doesn't condemn them, but instead helps to fan the racist divide in the country with his race bombs. I don't consider his statement about Mexican border jumpers or his desire to build a wall to meet the definition of racism. Nor was birthergate motivated by racism. Nor was his reference to third world "shitholes" racism.
As for the "empowered" groups you mention, you're engaging in the same kind of guilt-by-association and guilt-by-inaction the board condemned during Pres. Obama's tenure, when the right was blaming Pres. Obama for the race conflagrations in Baltimore, Ferguson, etc. Hence I can't take your accusations in this regard seriously either. But back to the point: your claim wasn't that Pres. Trump makes racist statements; it was that he "shows a strong preference for people who are not POC". The only statement in your post that speaks to this claim is "I actually don't care that his staff is mostly white men and pretty younger women." My question to you was/is: does the demographic makeup of his staff reflect the demographic makeup of the Republican labour pool? If so, you surely can't cite this as evidence of your assertion on his preferences.
My statement was that he shows a strong preference for people who are not POC. Not 'he only hires people who are not POC.' Therefore, your diversion out into who he hired for his staff is pointless. Besides, he has so much churn in his staff, who knows what it will look like a month from now.
My point was that Trump does not speak against people or groups who say racist things or behave in racist ways. Additionally, he deliberately uses divisive racial language, including getting his rallies to chant 'build the wall' and inciting his base by attempting to prevent Muslims from visiting the county. That's what I mean by him showing a strong preference for people who are not POC.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 8, 2018 10:46:02 GMT -5
Criminal Indictment Unsealed (hmmm, so there was at least one (1) criminal indictment- could there be others?) Moments Ago:theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/06/07/senior-senate-staffer-james-a-wolfe-arrested-for-leaking-classified-documents-to-multiple-media-outlets-indictment-pdf-below/Senior Senate Staffer James A Wolfe Arrested For Leaking Classified Documents To Multiple Media Outlets – Indictment pdf below…
In a just released 11-page federal indictment (full pdf below) a Senior Staff official for the Senate Select Committee Intelligence, James A. Wolfe, has been identified as leaking secret and top-secret classified information to multiple media sources. Mr. Wolfe was arrested Thursday night by federal marshals. (direct link to justice pdf)
According to the indictment, Mr. Wolfe (58, pictured above), the former director of security, lied to the FBI when he was questioned about his involvement in leaking classified intelligence to the media. Last night the Senate Intelligence Committee agreed to release documents to the DOJ/FBI investigators.
Earlier today it was revealed a New York Times journalist, and former 3-year girlfriend to Mr. Wolfe, had her phone and email communication seized by investigators.
The criminal indictment was unsealed moments ago: www.scribd.com/document/381310366/James-Wolfe-Indictment-Senate-Intelligence-Committee-Leaker
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 8, 2018 10:50:06 GMT -5
Oh, no- the best revisionist history is describing Hitler and National Socialism as "right wing". That and the party of slavery, secession, and Jim Crow calling Republicans racist. Regarding the first assertion, it is ridiculous. Look, I majored in this sort of stuff at university. The German Nazis were an extreme right wing group. Period. I think you know this, but. The Nazis were also masters of propaganda. Since they started their rise to power within the framework of a weak democratic form of government (the Weimar Republic) they had to make initial inroads through the electoral process. To build a coalition to achieve their goals they needed to appeal to a broad faction of the working public. The full name of Hitler's party, the National Socialist German Worker's Party, was chosen because it had an inclusive theme for a large segment of the German working and voting public. Elements of it may have been truthful: National Socialist German Worker's Party = Nationalist German Party =/= German Nationalist Party. Regarding your second point, I congratulate YOU on your mastery of propaganda. The Democratic party did indeed have a long and shameful racist history in the south, which is why the black people were historically Republican. This is also one reason why New Englanders were historically Republican. All of that changed about two generations ago though, didn't it? Who passed the Civil Rights bill? A bipartisan coalition of northern Democrats and Republicans. What was Nixon's "Southern Strategy?" Which party do minorities align with overwhelmingly today? WHY? By the way, that is NOT to infer that Republicans per se are racist. However I believe our president is- at least as it suits him politically to be so. And I believe that a large percentage of his "base" is as well. your first point is an immediate disqualifier for many conservatives, you fucking egghead. i would add to your second point: they are not racist, but they court racists, and have for 50 years.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 8, 2018 10:53:35 GMT -5
They were die-hard nationalists and die-hard socialists, just like the name would imply. Draw a Venn diagram of Nazism and it would have overlaps with both the extreme right and the middle-to-extreme left in modern US politics. sorry, but this is absolute crap. nobody on the left would want anything to do with the Nazi's, politically speaking. they did not support minorities. they did not support the disabled. they did not support fair wage practices. they did not support unions. they did not support religious rights, free speech, voting rights, etc. everything the Nazi's stood for, the American left opposes. so, yeah, you are just completely out there in this assertion, imo.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 8, 2018 11:25:16 GMT -5
sorry, but this is absolute crap. nobody on the left would want anything to do with the Nazi's, politically speaking. they did not support minorities. they did not support the disabled. they did not support fair wage practices. they did not support unions. they did not support religious rights, free speech, voting rights, etc. everything the Nazi's stood for, the American left opposes. so, yeah, you are just completely out there in this assertion, imo.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 8, 2018 12:58:56 GMT -5
The industry of Nazi Germany was very much run by private enterprise, use concerns such as Krupp, Daimler Benz, Messerschmitt, and IG Farben. They often worked in collusion with the state, because they were under contract to the state for business. Indeed, and the same occurred in fascist Italy--also an extreme leftist ideology. State schooling is not a leftist idea. The way it was implemented in Nazi Germany certainly was, as was the curriculum. Note that I'm not saying every bit of the curriculum was bad. Eugenics is not a leftist idea. Agree to disagree. Societal shift away from the church is not a leftist idea. Agree to disagree. Progressive taxation, while arguably a left tenet in modern America, is actually a bi-partisan construct. It's a center-left doctrine. I personally approve of it, but it's definitely on the left side of the spectrum (re collectivism as opposed to individualism).
Promotion of women is a leftist plot? Women in the workplace is a doctrine more heavily promoted by the left than the right, and the further left one goes, the more aggressive the promotion becomes. If you go all the way over to Marx, the ideal society was one where women worked alongside men in the factories all day and children were raised in state homes/schools/etc. The experiment was, as we know now, a disaster of unprecedented scale. Russia and the USSR satellites are still suffering the effects today, with the most prominent symptom being the lowest birth rates of any nations on Earth, even three generations after the fact. In any case, while the Nazis weren't quite this far left, they definitely moved Germany in this direction. Virgil your ideological construct is quite confused. My ideological construct is spot on. Your ideological construct is that Nazism = bad, right = bad, hence Nazism = right. Indeed Nazism shared the nationalistic elements of America's far right today, but it shared every bit as much in common with America's socialist left. It's a (reasonably) contemporary example of a society with the most progressive ideas in the world at the time, hosting many of the world's finest schools, scholars, scientists, regulatory policies, social programs, social philosophers, etc., etc., that nevertheless lost its collective mind and was given over to pure evil. Sorry. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 8, 2018 13:04:20 GMT -5
sorry, but this is absolute crap. nobody on the left would want anything to do with the Nazi's, politically speaking. they did not support minorities. they did not support the disabled. they did not support fair wage practices. they did not support unions. they did not support religious rights, free speech, voting rights, etc. everything the Nazi's stood for, the American left opposes. so, yeah, you are just completely out there in this assertion, imo.
You're describing the things that appear in the Venn diagram under "American left" but not "Nazism". Your conclusion, "everything the Nazi's stood for, the American left opposes" is not only false, it doesn't follow from your litany of examples. If your statement was "much of which is supported by the American left was not supported by the Nazis", this conclusion I agree with, and I do so because it's supported by your examples, all but two of which I also agree with.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 8, 2018 13:16:14 GMT -5
... State schooling is not a leftist idea. The way it was implemented in Nazi Germany certainly was, as was the curriculum. Note that I'm not saying every bit of the curriculum was bad. ... WARNING-Tangent: Took a graduate level class in Sociology of Education entitled "Educational Classics". Each week we were to read a book and then each student was assigned a week/book to be in charge of leading the 3 hour class discussion on educational issues in the material. The books included something by Plato, Aristotle, Machiavelli, etc, and Hitler's Mein Kampf. I volunteered to lead that discussion. Thought I could keep it on the level of why did this book and author gain power. One student, employed as a teacher, said it really bothered her how little she disagreed with the educational philosophy in the book. |
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 8, 2018 13:56:45 GMT -5
Promotion of women is a leftist plot? Women in the workplace is a doctrine more heavily promoted by the left than the right, and the further left one goes, the more aggressive the promotion becomes. If you go all the way over to Marx, the ideal society was one where women worked alongside men in the factories all day and children were raised in state homes/schools/etc. The experiment was, as we know now, a disaster of unprecedented scale. Russia and the USSR satellites are still suffering the effects today, with the most prominent symptom being the lowest birth rates of any nations on Earth, even three generations after the fact.In any case, while the Nazis weren't quite this far left, they definitely moved Germany in this direction. I don't want to jump into this conversation, but on this particular statement, I would like to point out that there is no single reason for a country to have the lowest birth rates of any nations on earth. As with most trends in society, the causes are complex.
Women working outside the home probably had an impact on the birth rate, but the sudden reduction in the number of men in Russian society post WWII, the high suicide rate and heavy alcohol consumption all probably did more to contribute to low birth rates then working women did (although I know conservatives like to hang a lot of sociological problems directly onto the shoulders of working women).
After all, Japan had a post war baby boom that quickly turned into a sub-replacement fertility rate, which Japan attributes to a range of economic and cultural factors, including fewer and later marriages, higher education, urbanization, poor work-life balance, the decline in wages and lifetime employment along, small living spaces, the high cost of raising a child AND increased participation in the workforce. Even if Japan and Russia had enacted laws that required all women to not be employed outside the household, both countries would still have experienced lower birth rates. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan
Sorry, but it annoys me when someone picks their favorite aspect of the culture to blame for what's actually a very complicated trend, as if fixing that one thing would fix society.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 8, 2018 14:14:27 GMT -5
economic success is also highly correlated with low birthrates. in countries where children are at serious risk for starvation and disease, you find very high birthrates to compensate for these facts.
i don't think that we should be aspiring to starvation and disease. i get that the religious right is really into their quiverfull crap. but the rest of us are just fine without it.
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Hmmmm, again, Why would McCabe need immunity?? Haven't we ( The conservative side ) been repeated told there ain't nothing there. Wonder if they thought Hillary was going to be their next Boss,, decided that they didn't want to look bad (job security) to their next new boss?? Yea, doing a complete investigation and reporting it as it really was, would have put them between a rock and a hard spot with Hillary!! Hmmmmm, again, Why does McCabe need immunity??
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OldCoyote
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 9, 2018 9:44:48 GMT -5
Maybe,,, he is between a rock and a hard spot with his new boss!
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billisonboard
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 9, 2018 10:13:08 GMT -5
So here is the request: “We hereby request that the Judiciary Committee authorize a grant of use immunity to Mr. McCabe,” to ensure “no testimony or other information provided by Mr. McCabe could be used against him in any criminal case,” Mr. Bromwich wrote in his letter.link Not being an attorney, I wasn't sure what "use immunity" meant. So I looked it up: “Use and derivative use immunity prevents the prosecution only from using the witness's own testimony or any evidence derived from the testimony against the witness. However, if the prosecutor acquires evidence substantiating the crime independently of the witness's testimony, the witness may then be prosecuted.link An individual who is under a criminal referral, as is Mr. McCabe, should keep their mouth shut as allowed by the Fifth Amendment. If Congress wishes him to testify, granting use immunity seems reasonable. I would see a request for full immunity as a large and bright red flag. |
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