SPYGATE; SMOKING GUN

[Tennesseer]

Mar 7, 2018 17:24:46 GMT -5 dondub said:

Clearly off topic. Can we get back to the treason and mop up operation please?

Mueller is going as fast has he can.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 7, 2018 17:30:35 GMT -5 tallguy said:

After the second or third time in a row of not having the facts straight before posting...

...with only one of those instances pertaining to facts relevant to my arguments, which is why I didn't bother looking them up.

Regardless, an ad hominem is an ad hominem, and no, you're not doing me or anyone else any favours.

[tallguy]

Mar 7, 2018 17:40:23 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 7, 2018 17:30:35 GMT -5 tallguy said:

After the second or third time in a row of not having the facts straight before posting...

...with only one of those instances pertaining to facts relevant to my arguments, which is why I didn't bother looking them up.

Regardless, an ad hominem is an ad hominem, and no, you're not doing me or anyone else any favours.

I'll leave it with this:  You can always disagree with my opinion.  You would be well-advised to double-check before you ever disagree with me on facts.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 7, 2018 17:45:25 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 7, 2018 17:40:23 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

...with only one of those instances pertaining to facts relevant to my arguments, which is why I didn't bother looking them up.

Regardless, an ad hominem is an ad hominem, and no, you're not doing me or anyone else any favours.

I'll leave it with this:  You can always disagree with my opinion.  You would be well-advised to double-check before you ever disagree with me on facts.

My closing: Keep your criticisms specific, and make sure members you criticize actually disagree with you on facts before engaging them hostilely. If somebody simply isn't aware of something, be gracious in pointing it out, especially if their misconception isn't integral to their argument.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 7, 2018 17:30:35 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 7, 2018 17:03:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Barbs such as "Do you ever check facts before posting?", "You're becoming as unreadable as the guy I usually troll." are clear attacks on the person, not a specific statement, idea, or philosophy. They're meant to impugn credibility and belittle the intellect.

Statements such as "Again you're citing facts in ignorance.", "You're wasting our time with your assumptions.", etc. accompanied by explanations of which facts/assumptions are in err, are legitimate counterarguments.

the post in question didn't start that way, nor did it really contain any of the insults you claim.  here is how it started:

"Another useless response.

This is about campaign finance law violations. How is that an indictment of the entire U.S. justice system? "

this is the equivalent of saying that you are straw man arguing.  you are speaking to a subject that the post/thread doesn't have anything to do with.  this is not only NOT ad-hominem, it is an appropriate debate tactic.

the word YOU was never mentioned, nor was it even implied, imo.   and your rebuttal is another straw man.  you claimed that TG's reply STARTED with an ad-hominem.  that claim is false.  but you won't own it, will you?  instead, you will probably accuse ME of ad-hominem. 

[djAdvocate]

Mar 7, 2018 17:30:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 7, 2018 17:24:46 GMT -5 dondub said:

Clearly off topic. Can we get back to the treason and mop up operation please?

Mueller is going as fast has he can.

i would not be surprised to see another (13) indictments- against NON-Russians- before this is over.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Mar 8, 2018 11:48:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 7, 2018 17:30:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mueller is going as fast has he can.

i would not be surprised to see another (13) indictments- against NON-Russians- before this is over.

I do believe that it has only increased in scope with each new wrinkle.

[happyhoix]

So now Mueller is checking into my favorite villain in this story, Erik Prince, founder of the military contractor Blackwater (and brother of Betsy DeVos) and his special meeting in the Seychelles to allegedly set up a back channel method of communications between Trump and Russia.

Prince initially claimed he just 'accidentally' ran into an 'emissary from Moscow' and drank a beer with him.  Turns out, not so much.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-seychelles/u-s-special-counsel-probes-seychelles-meeting-with-russian-washington-post-idUSKCN1GK0A0

Normally I don't wish bad things on people, but I admit, it would not make me that sad to see Prince get indicted next. The whole Mercer/Prince/DeVos 'big money means I can force my beliefs on the minions' crew can go, as far as I'm concerned.

[swamp]

Mar 8, 2018 12:20:13 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So now Mueller is checking into my favorite villain in this story, Erik Prince, founder of the military contractor Blackwater (and brother of Betsy DeVos) and his special meeting in the Seychelles to allegedly set up a back channel method of communications between Trump and Russia.

Prince initially claimed he just 'accidentally' ran into an 'emissary from Moscow' and drank a beer with him.  Turns out, not so much.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-seychelles/u-s-special-counsel-probes-seychelles-meeting-with-russian-washington-post-idUSKCN1GK0A0

Normally I don't wish bad things on people, but I admit, it would not make me that sad to see Prince get indicted next. The whole Mercer/Prince/DeVos 'big money means I can force my beliefs on the minions' crew can go, as far as I'm concerned.

I hate it when I'm traveling to a remote place like Seychelles and run into a Russian operative who just so happens to be the guy to establish a chain of communication.  It just ruins the vacation vibe.  

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 8, 2018 11:46:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 7, 2018 17:30:35 GMT -5 tallguy said:

the post in question didn't start that way, nor did it really contain any of the insults you claim.  here is how it started:

"Another useless response.

This is about campaign finance law violations. How is that an indictment of the entire U.S. justice system? "

this is the equivalent of saying that you are straw man arguing.  you are speaking to a subject that the post/thread doesn't have anything to do with.  this is not only NOT ad-hominem, it is an appropriate debate tactic.

the word YOU was never mentioned, nor was it even implied, imo.   and your rebuttal is another straw man.  you claimed that TG's reply STARTED with an ad-hominem.  that claim is false.  but you won't own it, will you?  instead, you will probably accuse ME of ad-hominem. 

Check his earlier posts.

[dondub]

Aren't mods that so readily give instructions to others supposed to stay on topic? Where's R-Tn. when we really need him?

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 8, 2018 20:34:06 GMT -5 dondub said:

Aren't mods that so readily give instructions to others supposed to stay on topic?

If I see one, I'll tell them.

This thread is on de facto hiatus until something new and wonderful comes out of the Mueller investigation or Paul returns.

[thyme4change]

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The noose is tightening...

Here's the Deal (or not)
theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/30/deal-or-no-deal-theres-a-transparency-within-two-factions-of-doj-and-fbi-political-small-group/

There are two factions of the FBI / DOJ "small group" - those cooperating with the outside prosecutor, and those that are not.

It was Friday December 1st, 2017, when the media first hit the headlines announcing the guilty plea for former National Security Adviser General Mike Flynn. It was less than 24 hours later, Saturday December 2nd, when ‘a group’ within the DOJ hit back with announcements revealing the political bias of FBI Agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page.

Despite the transparency of timing the media ignored the relationship between the two events. However, people who were following the granular details -within the intelligence community conflict- accepted the IG releases would be used as fuel for congressional review and inquiry….. and that’s exactly what happened.

As a person familiar with such specific investigative measures shared:

“They are sat down, told to not do anything, say anything or discuss anything UNTIL they get an attorney. At which time, the attorney is handed a letter from the investigating unit. That letter says in essence, this is how screwed you are. If you want to be less screwed you will sign this letter of cooperation and assist us. When we don’t need you, you sit there. When we do we will call you and you will provide what we need. Any deviation from this agreement lands you in jail for the full term.”

If you stand back and look at all activity from July 2017 through March 2018 you can get a good feel for who is inside the “small group”, who is cooperating and who is not.

♦COOPERATING GROUP – FBI Agent Peter Strzok, FBI/DOJ lawyer Lisa Page, DOJ Attorney Bruce Ohr, DOJ-NSD Deputy Asst. Attorney General George Toscas; FBI Chief Legal Counsel James Baker and Asst. FBI Director in charge of Counterintelligence Bill Priestap, are all still employed within the system. Strzok, Page, Ohr, and Baker have been removed from responsibilities, but there are still there. Bill Priestap is still in responsibility and still there.

♦NOT COOPERATING GROUP – FBI Communications Director Mike Kortan (quit), DOJ-NSD Deputy Asst. Attorney General David Laufman (quit), AG Loretta Lynch AAG Sally Yates, DOJ-NSD Asst Attorney General Mary McCord (quit), FBI Director James Comey (fired), Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe (fired), FBI Director Chief-of-staff James Rybicki (quit).

Oh, and by the way- McCabe is almost certainly facing criminal charges:

theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/31/details-of-mccabes-false-statements-surfacing-strong-likelihood-those-lies-show-origin-strzok-and-page-text-messages/

[dezii]

Dec 13, 2017 16:36:13 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

What is the point of this thread? I'm not even sure what you are trying to discuss.

Thanks...feel the same way and was just shaking my head and ready to move n...thought it was a generational thing but saw mmhmm was in to it so changed my mind...realized it was just probably me...

[dondub]

desii,

That's just spaghetoric. Boil up a word salad and fling it at the wall of the treehouse. If it sticks it will be revealed that 1000 deep state operatives

have been frog marched to gitmo and that Hillary and Obama will be shot for treason.

PS: Virgil...I am aware that spaghetoric is not a real word. I simply made it up for fun.

[dezii]

Mar 31, 2018 21:57:32 GMT -5 dondub said:

desii,

That's just spaghetoric. Boil up a word salad and fling it at the wall of the treehouse. If it sticks it will be revealed that 1000 deep state operatives

have been frog marched to gitmo and that Hillary and Obama will be shot for treason.

PS: Virgil...I am aware that spaghetoric is not a real word. I simply made it up for fun.

Actually I kinda like it...many things could use it as a descriptive verb...

[djAdvocate]

Mar 7, 2018 17:30:35 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 7, 2018 17:03:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Barbs such as "Do you ever check facts before posting?", "You're becoming as unreadable as the guy I usually troll." are clear attacks on the person, not a specific statement, idea, or philosophy. They're meant to impugn credibility and belittle the intellect.

Statements such as "Again you're citing facts in ignorance.", "You're wasting our time with your assumptions.", etc. accompanied by explanations of which facts/assumptions are in err, are legitimate counterarguments.

After the second or third time in a row of not having the facts straight before posting in, what was the phrase, a "dismissive and insulting" manner I consider it far more a question than an attack, and a very legitimate question at that.  Far better was the exchange in the CNN-Haab family thread, where you ASKED for explanation, accepted and presumably verified the facts proffered, and admitted that you had been misled by what had to be a slanted website.  You will recall also that my response to that was entirely respectful, and a good discussion followed.  That is an example that should be followed.  

i think i recognize the game after 7 years here:

1) i attempt to engage the poster in a rational and respectful way
2) poster responds with a series of red herrings and ad hominems
3) i reply noting that the poster has not addressed the substance of the argument
4) the poster responds by saying that i am engaging in ad hominem

it is fucking ridiculous, illogical, distracting, and of no value in terms of debate.
but what finally convinced me to ignore these posters was that i realized that i
could argue substantively with others, and reduce my time here by 2/3 and my
frustration by about 90%.

of course, i am sure that they continue to attack me, but the difference is that
it doesn't excite my defensive tendencies. 

[Deleted]

Mar 31, 2018 16:50:20 GMT -5 dezii said:

Dec 13, 2017 16:36:13 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

What is the point of this thread? I'm not even sure what you are trying to discuss.

Thanks...feel the same way and was just shaking my head and ready to move n...thought it was a generational thing but saw mmhmm was in to it so changed my mind...realized it was just probably me...

I think it will get more exciting for you.
Hopefully a McCabe indictment to coincide with the Comey book tour.
Maybe Comey could even contribute to that defense fund with proceeds from book sales.

hotair.com/archives/2018/03/31/opr-report-mccabe-comey-different-recollections-leaks/

"So he was asked, did you authorize this? He said no, not once but twice. Then months later he revised that statement. And now he’s claiming he not only authorized it but Comey knew about it all along. Only Comey says McCabe denied it to him too. And the fact that Comey criticized the staff for it in that Oct. 2016 meeting suggests he didn’t know his own deputy had authorized it.

None of this looks very good for McCabe. But thanks to his GoFundMe, he’s got plenty of money to contest it all in court."

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Time to start paying attention again. The mop-up operation is proceeding apace...

theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/05/important-catherine-herridge-confirms-lisa-page-statements-contradicted-andrew-mccabe-ultimately-leading-to-his-firing/

Important – Catherine Herridge Confirms Lisa Page Statements Contradicted Andrew McCabe, Ultimately Leading to His Firing…

Posted on April 5, 2018 by sundance

Fox News Catherine Herridge reports today, per her FBI investigative sources, it was an investigative interview with FBI Attorney Lisa Page, in July 2017, that contradicted FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, and ultimately led to his firing.

That revelation is exactly what we anticipated was the origin to Inspector General Michael Horowitz gaining the text messages between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok. The issue is actually more stunning than presented. However, first here’s the report from Herridge (emphasis mine):


Fox News – Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was fired last month for committing three violations of the bureau’s ethics code, an investigative source told Fox News on Thursday.

The violations initially were uncovered by the Justice Department’s Office of the Inspector General and confirmed by the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility. They included lack of candor under oath, lack of candor when not under oath, and the improper disclosure of non-public information to the media about the FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

The violations stemmed from McCabe’s response to an October 2016 Wall Street Journal report about sizeable campaign donations from Democrats to McCabe’s wife, Jill, during her campaign for the Virginia State Senate. The investigation found that McCabe instructed FBI lawyer Lisa Page and FBI public affairs chief Michael Kortan to work with the Journal’s reporter to set the record straight.

The source said Page’s statements to investigators were “critical” because they directly contradicted her boss, McCabe.

According to the source, McCabe’s lack of candor about the contact with the Journal reporter led to his firing. The source added that Page’s testimony about the matter contradicted McCabe’s. Then-FBI Director James Comey claimed he never authorized the leak to the Journal. (read more)



A picture was initially clear in March once we had the full timeline of the interviews with Andrew McCabe that led to his firing. This Fox News report only confirms the obvious; however, it’s important to review the events to fully understand the scope of McCabe’s lying and also understand the reason for Lisa Page to be so angry.



Remember, Lisa Page was a DOJ attorney assigned to the office of FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe specifically to provide legal guidance. Imagine how pissed off she was when she discovered (July 2017) the Deputy FBI Director who told her to leak a story -on his behalf- to the Wall Street Journal, denied ever telling her to leak the story.



It’s no wonder why Ms. Page told FBI Agent Peter Strzok to “never text her again”, and she quit working for the Mueller team several weeks before IG Horowitz informed Mueller about the conspiracy issues (which led to Strzok’s removal).

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 1, 2018 15:05:26 GMT -5 @xmascookie said:

Mar 31, 2018 16:50:20 GMT -5 dezii said:

Thanks...feel the same way and was just shaking my head and ready to move n...thought it was a generational thing but saw mmhmm was in to it so changed my mind...realized it was just probably me...

I think it will get more exciting for you.
Hopefully a McCabe indictment to coincide with the Comey book tour.
Maybe Comey could even contribute to that defense fund with proceeds from book sales.

hotair.com/archives/2018/03/31/opr-report-mccabe-comey-different-recollections-leaks/

"So he was asked, did you authorize this? He said no, not once but twice. Then months later he revised that statement. And now he’s claiming he not only authorized it but Comey knew about it all along. Only Comey says McCabe denied it to him too. And the fact that Comey criticized the staff for it in that Oct. 2016 meeting suggests he didn’t know his own deputy had authorized it.

None of this looks very good for McCabe. But thanks to his GoFundMe, he’s got plenty of money to contest it all in court."

It is without the slightest exaggeration or hyperbole that I say that I hope he's got one helluva defense because if he's prosecuted just for what we know he could be charged with so far, he's looking at the very real possibility of spending the rest of his life in prison.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I repeat: it's time to start paying attention again...
theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/06/john-brennans-contributions-to-fraud-upon-fisa-court/

John Brennan's Contributions To Fraud Upon The FISA Court
Most of the ‘vast-Russian-conspiracy‘ media presentations seem to start with a discussion of intelligence gathering beginning in July of 2016. The GOP convention to nominate Donald Trump was July 18-21st of 2016.

Adding to the July 2016 origination narrative FBI Director James Comey stated the counterintelligence operation against candidate Trump began in July 2016. However, not a single MSM entity has looked at the FISA-702(16)(17) abuses by the FBI and DOJ-NSD outlined by the FISA court and NSA well before July 2016.

It is a matter of unclassified public record the FBI and DOJ-NSD were allowing “contractors” to conduct searches of the FBI and NSA databases, and extract raw intelligence, throughout 2015 until April 28th 2016 when NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers shut down all access and initiated a compliance review.

Any objective review of that time period indicates (strongest likelihood) the search activity was political ‘opposition research’ for the 2016 presidential election. With hindsight of the FBI and DOJ’s political intents, ‘opposition research’ was almost certainly the motive.

Surrounding the nomination that stunned the geo-political world almost every foreign government was trying to figure out who and what Donald J Trump was all about; and more specifically: how would his run for the presidency impact their specific interests.

2017- WASHINGTON NYT — American spies collected information last summer revealing that senior Russian intelligence and political officials were discussing how to exert influence over Donald J. Trump through his advisers, according to three current and former American officials familiar with the intelligence.
[Paragraph #5] The information collected last summer was considered credible enough for intelligence agencies to pass to the F.B.I., which during that period opened a counterintelligence investigation that is continuing. It is unclear, however, whether Russian officials actually tried to directly influence Mr. Manafort and Mr. Flynn. Both have denied any collusion with the Russian government on the campaign to disrupt the election. (link)

The New York Times should win a Pulitzer for undermining their own ‘Russian Conspiracy’ headline narrative within the fifth paragraph. [It’s a trend] I digress.

Obviously, attempting to understand the policies of outsider Donald Trump, Russia would be asking these same questions along with China, France, England, the larger EU and every nation in every continent. It would be silly to claim otherwise.

Strongly recommend you read on at the link

[Deleted]

Apr 6, 2018 14:04:50 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Time to start paying attention again. The mop-up operation is proceeding apace...

theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/05/important-catherine-herridge-confirms-lisa-page-statements-contradicted-andrew-mccabe-ultimately-leading-to-his-firing/

Important – Catherine Herridge Confirms Lisa Page Statements Contradicted Andrew McCabe, Ultimately Leading to His Firing…

Posted on April 5, 2018 by sundance

Fox News Catherine Herridge reports today, per her FBI investigative sources, it was an investigative interview with FBI Attorney Lisa Page, in July 2017, that contradicted FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, and ultimately led to his firing.

That revelation is exactly what we anticipated was the origin to Inspector General Michael Horowitz gaining the text messages between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok. The issue is actually more stunning than presented. However, first here’s the report from Herridge (emphasis mine):


Fox News – Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was fired last month for committing three violations of the bureau’s ethics code, an investigative source told Fox News on Thursday.

The violations initially were uncovered by the Justice Department’s Office of the Inspector General and confirmed by the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility. They included lack of candor under oath, lack of candor when not under oath, and the improper disclosure of non-public information to the media about the FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

The violations stemmed from McCabe’s response to an October 2016 Wall Street Journal report about sizeable campaign donations from Democrats to McCabe’s wife, Jill, during her campaign for the Virginia State Senate. The investigation found that McCabe instructed FBI lawyer Lisa Page and FBI public affairs chief Michael Kortan to work with the Journal’s reporter to set the record straight.

The source said Page’s statements to investigators were “critical” because they directly contradicted her boss, McCabe.

According to the source, McCabe’s lack of candor about the contact with the Journal reporter led to his firing. The source added that Page’s testimony about the matter contradicted McCabe’s. Then-FBI Director James Comey claimed he never authorized the leak to the Journal. (read more)



A picture was initially clear in March once we had the full timeline of the interviews with Andrew McCabe that led to his firing. This Fox News report only confirms the obvious; however, it’s important to review the events to fully understand the scope of McCabe’s lying and also understand the reason for Lisa Page to be so angry.



Remember, Lisa Page was a DOJ attorney assigned to the office of FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe specifically to provide legal guidance. Imagine how pissed off she was when she discovered (July 2017) the Deputy FBI Director who told her to leak a story -on his behalf- to the Wall Street Journal, denied ever telling her to leak the story.



It’s no wonder why Ms. Page told FBI Agent Peter Strzok to “never text her again”, and she quit working for the Mueller team several weeks before IG Horowitz informed Mueller about the conspiracy issues (which led to Strzok’s removal).

This picture of McCabe, Page, etc. Do you know when or where it was taken?
Just curious as it does not look like it was a good day for them.

[Deleted]

Oh lovely, more nuthouse posts...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The source, by the way is all the sources. CNN, The New York Times, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC..

[dondub]

Kind of how it's done with all the conservativetreehouse links.

[dondub]

The froggies went a marchin' to Gitmo um huh um huh

The froggies went a marchin' to Gitmo um huh um huh

Comey, Hillary and B. Hussein

Headin' south even in the rain

Life in prison what a pain um huh um huh

[djAdvocate]

Apr 6, 2018 14:15:43 GMT -5 @xmascookie said:

Apr 6, 2018 14:04:50 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Time to start paying attention again. The mop-up operation is proceeding apace...

This picture of McCabe, Page, etc. Do you know when or where it was taken?
Just curious as it does not look like it was a good day for them.

moreover, WHY are you paying attention again?  because the s*&t is about to hit the fan?

[Deleted]

Who me?
I never quit paying attention just don't have a ton of time for the details.
I miss the highlights from Anne. I think the swamp monsters got her
I don't know what will hit the fan . The  IG report should be finished soon and I am looking forward to seeing what it tells us.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 8, 2018 11:45:26 GMT -5 @xmascookie said:

Who me?

no.  not you.