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I can't remember if I made the prediction here, or on my FB feed- but I'll re-post it: As the light is shined on the cockroaches, and it becomes clear that Trump isn't Bush and there will be no quarter given, the options will be two: flip, or flee. The swamp has become self-draining.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 8, 2018 7:57:04 GMT -5
Here is my whole issue with Trump and the Mueller investigation.
If Trump truly had nothing to hide, nothing shady in his business dealings, nothing questionable in his dealings with any of the Russians, wouldn't he just sit back and let Mueller finish his investigation, rather than begin this unprecedented campaign to smear the DOJ?
It's because of his constant tweeting, and nasty remarks, and the way he tries to strong arm government employees by asking them if they are 'on his team' or 'loyal' and then trying to get rid of them if they won't toady to him that I've got serious concerns that 1) he's hiding something significant and 2) he desperately wants to convince the American people that the entire DOJ is hopelessly corrupt and involved in a coupe against him, so they'll doubt whatever Mueller ends up discovering. (And for his 34% of hard core supporters, it's worked so far). You're not entitled to know about all of Trump's business dealings- or even ANY of them. Abuse of the FISA court because people want to fish for info is criminal. Here's my problem with the whole Hillary investigation: a principal- Bill Clinton, illegally met with the AG of the US on an airport tarmac to discuss the case. Hillary refused to comply with a subpoena to turn over United States government property-- her communications do not belong to her. She instead chose to "acid wash" and "bleach bit" -- basically SCRUB all of her emails. And just for good measure-- she destroyed devices with hammers. She's a criminal. She's a criminal and she was not prosecuted because she's a high-level politician. Trump's crime? He won and people don't like him. Actually, Trump was quite popular as a reality show host. His bombastic personality is humorous to many people.
The problem with Trump is 1) his lack of knowledge about critical areas of government, 2) his disinterest in learning (or even reading memos about) these critical areas of government, 3) his unfortunate habit of picking associates based on their level of loyalty, not on their qualifications, and 4) his refusal to listen to government experts, unless those experts toady (or pretend to toady) to him, and 5) his unfortunate reliance on bluster and creative hyperbole so that we no longer know when he's lying, telling the truth or simply ignorant, and 6) his constant flip flopping on issues, because he has no moral code or deeply held values, 7)his systematic destruction of democracy by undermining the 4th estate, attempts to bully the judiciary, DOJ and congress, his appointment of clearly incompetent people to key positions in areas he isn't interested in, knowing they will be ineffective (for example, appointing Kelly Anne Conway as the head of the opioid drug task force) and his attempts at imposing a 'loyalty oath' as a requirement to keep a government job.
The fact that he won wouldn't have mattered if points 1 through 7 were untrue. I'm old enough I've been around for several presidents I didn't like much, but they were more or less competent and I never felt any of them could (or wanted to) single handedly destroy our government. With Trump, I don't think he wants to cause our country to fall into chaos, but I think if he continues to fail to get his way, like petulant child, he might. That's why I don't like Trump.
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Post by Opti on Feb 8, 2018 10:19:31 GMT -5
"I can't remember if I made the prediction here, or on my FB feed- but I'll re-post it: As the light is shined on the cockroaches, and it becomes clear that Trump isn't Bush and there will be no quarter given, the options will be two: flip, or flee. The swamp has become self-draining."
One has to be in major denial about who Trump is, to believe he is on the side of good and just. People are fleeing his administration because they do not want to become criminals. I think Trump must have made the drain the swamp thing to cover the fact he knew there would be lots of turnover in his administration because he wouldn't find enough criminally minded bureaucrats to support his agenda when he arrived.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 8, 2018 11:30:38 GMT -5
"I can't remember if I made the prediction here, or on my FB feed- but I'll re-post it: As the light is shined on the cockroaches, and it becomes clear that Trump isn't Bush and there will be no quarter given, the options will be two: flip, or flee. The swamp has become self-draining."
One has to be in major denial about who Trump is, to believe he is on the side of good and just. People are fleeing his administration because they do not want to become criminals. I think Trump must have made the drain the swamp thing to cover the fact he knew there would be lots of turnover in his administration because he wouldn't find enough criminally minded bureaucrats to support his agenda when he arrived. You are hopelessly out of touch with reality. It is now readily apparent that President Obama was the single most corrupt President in history. It is apparent now that his was not an Administration, but a crime spree. And he got caught. Cuz we caught them. Hillary was supposed to get elected and no one was supposed to know any of this. But she lost and now we know it all. And no amount of spin is going to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
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"I can't remember if I made the prediction here, or on my FB feed- but I'll re-post it: As the light is shined on the cockroaches, and it becomes clear that Trump isn't Bush and there will be no quarter given, the options will be two: flip, or flee. The swamp has become self-draining."
One has to be in major denial about who Trump is, to believe he is on the side of good and just. People are fleeing his administration because they do not want to become criminals. I think Trump must have made the drain the swamp thing to cover the fact he knew there would be lots of turnover in his administration because he wouldn't find enough criminally minded bureaucrats to support his agenda when he arrived. You are hopelessly out of touch with reality.
It is now readily apparent that President Obama was the single most corrupt President in history. It is apparent now that his was not an Administration, but a crime spree. And he got caught. Cuz we caught them. Hillary was supposed to get elected and no one was supposed to know any of this. But she lost and now we know it all. And no amount of spin is going to put the toothpaste back in the tube. So, insulting people is okay for your special self, but when someone says something you assume is about you, you complain? Hypocrite.
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Post by Opti on Feb 8, 2018 11:59:22 GMT -5
"I can't remember if I made the prediction here, or on my FB feed- but I'll re-post it: As the light is shined on the cockroaches, and it becomes clear that Trump isn't Bush and there will be no quarter given, the options will be two: flip, or flee. The swamp has become self-draining."
One has to be in major denial about who Trump is, to believe he is on the side of good and just. People are fleeing his administration because they do not want to become criminals. I think Trump must have made the drain the swamp thing to cover the fact he knew there would be lots of turnover in his administration because he wouldn't find enough criminally minded bureaucrats to support his agenda when he arrived. You are hopelessly out of touch with reality. It is now readily apparent that President Obama was the single most corrupt President in history. It is apparent now that his was not an Administration, but a crime spree. And he got caught. Cuz we caught them. Hillary was supposed to get elected and no one was supposed to know any of this. But she lost and now we know it all. And no amount of spin is going to put the toothpaste back in the tube. I get you probably love this conspiracy tale because it paints poor Trump as an innocent victim and you get to blame Obama and Hillary for things. But its still BS. Trump hires criminals and men of questionable character even when he is told not to. That can only be blamed on him.
The only thing readily apparent is you and others are willing to push BS no matter what because you are too afraid to acknowledge reality. Obama said nothing about Russia until after the election. The dossier had no noticeable impact on the election or even perceptions of Trump that I noticed. Even here on this board, the fixation was on the salacious, not on Russian collusion. And that's people who didn't like Trump.
We don't know everything. Not even Mueller. To me this is much ado about very little. Manafort was found out which is good. All I can guess is all this screaming and mis-direction from the WH and other pockets means Trump is involved in money laundering or other things he's been able to keep under wraps and he's now worried that will end soon. Will we catch him? IDK. Will it be a big deal or not? TBD.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 8, 2018 12:00:29 GMT -5
You're not entitled to know about all of Trump's business dealings- or even ANY of them.
if this YOU is the public "you" = our government, yes it is. the government is entitled to know a great many things about Trump's business dealings: a) whether he paid his taxes b) whether he was engaged in illegal activities c) whether he was in violation of any labor laws, statutes, health and safety regulations, etc. whether you are in business or not, the government is also allowed to find out if you are dealing with hostile powers. i know a guy who was an oil trader. turns out that he did oil deals with Iraq when that country was under boycott and sanctions. he lost his citizenship. if the charges against Trump are true, that would be a fitting end for him. send him to Mexico.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 8, 2018 12:03:07 GMT -5
You are hopelessly out of touch with reality. It is now readily apparent that President Obama was the single most corrupt President in history. It is apparent now that his was not an Administration, but a crime spree. And he got caught. Cuz we caught them. Hillary was supposed to get elected and no one was supposed to know any of this. But she lost and now we know it all. And no amount of spin is going to put the toothpaste back in the tube. I get you probably love this conspiracy tale because it paints poor Trump as an innocent victim and you get to blame Obama and Hillary for things. But its still BS. Trump hires criminals and men of questionable character even when he is told not to. That can only be blamed on him.
The only thing readily apparent is you and others are willing to push BS no matter what because you are too afraid to acknowledge reality. Obama said nothing about Russia until after the election. The dossier had no noticeable impact on the election or even perceptions of Trump that I noticed. Even here on this board, the fixation was on the salacious, not on Russian collusion. And that's people who didn't like Trump.
We don't know everything. Not even Mueller. To me this is much ado about very little. Manafort was found out which is good. All I can guess is all this screaming and mis-direction from the WH and other pockets means Trump is involved in money laundering or other things he's been able to keep under wraps and he's now worried that will end soon. Will we catch him? IDK. Will it be a big deal or not? TBD.
i would say that Obama was probably the "cleanest" president we have had since Carter. there are a lot of bad things you can say about him, but none involve his business dealings or his family matters. using the toothpaste analogy, this was a defective tube that has no contents. you will NEVER get Obama for this. EVER.
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Post by Opti on Feb 8, 2018 12:04:01 GMT -5
Forgot about this. Given Trump has a habit of accusing others about things he is doing, this ups the odds he did work with the Russians.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 8, 2018 12:23:03 GMT -5
Forgot about this. Given Trump has a habit of accusing others about things he is doing, this ups the odds he did work with the Russians. remember what i mentioned about narcissists? when the facts don't fit the conspiracy, the conspiracy is widened to accommodate them.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 8, 2018 12:27:04 GMT -5
if this YOU is the public "you" = our government, yes it is. the government is entitled to know a great many things about Trump's business dealings: a) whether he paid his taxes b) whether he was engaged in illegal activities c) whether he was in violation of any labor laws, statutes, health and safety regulations, etc. whether you are in business or not, the government is also allowed to find out if you are dealing with hostile powers. i know a guy who was an oil trader. turns out that he did oil deals with Iraq when that country was under boycott and sanctions. he lost his citizenship. if the charges against Trump are true, that would be a fitting end for him. send him to Mexico. When you said this, I had a flash of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness.
Trump as Kurtz. Not much of a stretch of the imagination.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 8, 2018 14:57:55 GMT -5
if this YOU is the public "you" = our government, yes it is. the government is entitled to know a great many things about Trump's business dealings: a) whether he paid his taxes b) whether he was engaged in illegal activities c) whether he was in violation of any labor laws, statutes, health and safety regulations, etc. whether you are in business or not, the government is also allowed to find out if you are dealing with hostile powers. i know a guy who was an oil trader. turns out that he did oil deals with Iraq when that country was under boycott and sanctions. he lost his citizenship. if the charges against Trump are true, that would be a fitting end for him. send him to Mexico. When you said this, I had a flash of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness.
Trump as Kurtz. Not much of a stretch of the imagination.
i read that book in a course on racism.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 8, 2018 17:38:34 GMT -5
NOTE: As a practical matter, there had to be a separate thread on Uranium One. Also as a practical matter- it's a parallel thread, so participants in either discussion-- but especially this discussion-- would do well to track both threads.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 8, 2018 17:46:15 GMT -5
You are hopelessly out of touch with reality. It is now readily apparent that President Obama was the single most corrupt President in history. It is apparent now that his was not an Administration, but a crime spree. And he got caught. Cuz we caught them. Hillary was supposed to get elected and no one was supposed to know any of this. But she lost and now we know it all. And no amount of spin is going to put the toothpaste back in the tube. I get you probably love this conspiracy tale because it paints poor Trump as an innocent victim and you get to blame Obama and Hillary for things. But its still BS. Trump hires criminals and men of questionable character even when he is told not to. That can only be blamed on him.
The only thing readily apparent is you and others are willing to push BS no matter what because you are too afraid to acknowledge reality. Obama said nothing about Russia until after the election. The dossier had no noticeable impact on the election or even perceptions of Trump that I noticed. Even here on this board, the fixation was on the salacious, not on Russian collusion. And that's people who didn't like Trump.
We don't know everything. Not even Mueller. To me this is much ado about very little. Manafort was found out which is good. All I can guess is all this screaming and mis-direction from the WH and other pockets means Trump is involved in money laundering or other things he's been able to keep under wraps and he's now worried that will end soon. Will we catch him? IDK. Will it be a big deal or not? TBD.
I will again remind you that the Nunes memo is a summary of the facts. It does not editorialize-- nor, by the way, does the Grassley memo (the criminal referral of Christopher Steele- who, by the way is going to sing like a bird-- or like Seth Rich- you know...depending). The central premise of this thread- that the Democrats conspired to create a phony intelligence document which was then used to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign and then transition...that central premise? Has yet to be disputed by anyone. Just bear that in mind.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 8, 2018 17:52:21 GMT -5
Forgot about this. Given Trump has a habit of accusing others about things he is doing, this ups the odds he did work with the Russians. The exact opposite is true. Literally EVERYTHING the Democrats have accused Trump of (including racism, bigotry, hate, but especially politically motivated violence) is basically them.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 8, 2018 17:56:33 GMT -5
This thread, the central premise of it, is true. The Democrats have a treason problem, and it is NOT going to go away.
The closer we get to uncovering the whole ugly mess- the more unhinged they've become. I may have to start a "Democrats Unhinged" thread for shit like this...
Oh, and John McCain? The courier of the "dossier"-- the Republican stooge they used to "launder" the creation of Hillary Clinton, Sidney Blumenthal, Former MI5, and Russian agent created document to make it look like genuine intel? Yeah- of course he doesn't like his precious FBI looking like...well, like they are: sacks of shit.
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Oh yay, more gaslighting.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2018 0:40:18 GMT -5
i think that the populist movement in the use thinks it is CUTE to send a wrecking ball over DC.
it's not cute. it is what leads inexorably to crazy ass dictators.
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Populist movements are never thoughtful. That is not a quality that a mob can possess.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 9, 2018 7:05:57 GMT -5
It's disgraceful that anyone would defend a cadre of elites within government that believe they're entitled to act against our duly elected leaders "for our own good". We don't have government by permanent administrative bureaucracy- and you all know it. The pretzel shapes you all are twisting yourselves into to rationalize this would be amusing if it weren't so sad. The fact is you're just rationalizing because it was your side, and you feel your side is morally superior and justified in doing so. Were the shoe on the other foot and the exact same suggestions were being made (and carried out) by the deep state against Obama, you would see it differently. The world I think that describes such people best: unprinicpled.
By the way: if I didn't find this on DJT's Twitter account- can you tell me where it might have been reported?
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