Another news/general info icon bites the dust this morning

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www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/matt-lauer-fired-from-nbc-news/ar-BBFUtVU
Been the anchor since 1997 of the Today Show
One complaint filed and gone!
NBC did not release any details......

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It is reported the NY Times had been investigating him for a few weeks.
I wonder how many males at the NY Times have been investigated by their organization?

[Blonde Granny]

WOW, they are just falling like flies. This should have happened to these guys years ago, but I guess when you're rich and famous you can do what you want.

Maybe we can get rid of some of a few congressmen and senators while we're at it.

[Shooby]

NBC News fired "TODAY" show host Matt Lauer, the company announced Wednesday.



"TODAY" show hosts Savannah Guthrie and Hoda Kotb made the announcement on air Wednesday morning, saying they learned the news "moments" before.



"As I'm sure you can imagine, we are devastated, and we are still processing," Guthrie said. "I will tell you right now, we do not know more than what I just shared with you. But we will be covering this story as reporters, as journalists. I'm sure we will be learning more details in the hours and days to come."
www.cnbc.com/2017/11/29/nbc-terminates-matt-lauer-for-alleged-inappropriate-sexual-behavior-in-the-workplace.html

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Looks like they knew something when they stole the headliner from Fox News earlier this year.
Will she get the slot? Probably not as Guthrie and her together would be way too much together.

[Shooby]

 I guess when the mud slinging starts, you never know where it's going to stick.  So, take heed, lol.  

[thyme4change]

{{sigh}}

Well, let's get all the scumbags out into the open and see if we can move forward with a new normal.

I'm hoping the younger generation has been raised differently. So far, no one under 35 has been exposed (no pun intended) but that could be because there aren't as many "powetful" young people.

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Nov 29, 2017 8:44:01 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

{{sigh}}

Well, let's get all the scumbags out into the open and see if we can move forward with a new normal.

I'm hoping the younger generation has been raised differently. So far, no one under 35 has been exposed (no pun intended) but that could be because there aren't as many "powetful" young people.

I am waiting for some of the female cougars in Hollywood, and D.C. to go down for the same acts as the men. Let's clean out both dens of sexual predatory sexual aggression.

[midjd]

WOW, they are just falling like flies. This should have happened to these guys years ago, but I guess when you're rich and famous you can do what you want.

Didn't NBC fire Billy Bush for saying that? Er, repeating it?

[Tennesseer]

It's all about NBC protecting their brand.

Will Alabama protect its brand and not elect Moore due to the charges of sexual molesation of a minor and a barely legal teenage girl when he was in his 30s?

Will the United States protect its brand and remove trump from office due to the multiple sexual harassment claims filed against him?

Trump of all people should not be commenting about the firing of Lauer.

[dezii]

Nov 29, 2017 9:49:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

It's all about NBC protecting their brand.

Will Alabama protect its brand and not elect Moore due to the charges of sexual molesation of a minor and a barely legal teenage girl when he was in his 30s?

Will the United States protect its brand and remove Trump from office due to the multiple sexual harassment claims filed against him?

Trump of all people should not be commenting about the firing of Lauer.

Since when was doing the right thing ever a part of his make up...

[haapai]

Nov 29, 2017 9:49:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

It's all about NBC protecting their brand.

I suspect that NBC won't be sounding so heroic and decisive by dinner time tonight. 

The initial statement that they released regarding the firing will be demonstrated to be incredibly disingenuous by then. 

ETA:  I'm trying to point out that the "gone within 48 hours" and "only complaint" claims are horsefeathers.  Unfortunately, I'm beginning to have some doubts regarding the speed with which it will be shown to be such.  We may have to wait for the print folks to break this story.  Publicly questing the story put out by NBC's HR is not a good career move for anyone who may ever want to work for NBC and journalism is a contracting industry.  We may have to wait for someone with a face for radio and a voice for print to speak up and poke holes in NBC's claims. 

[bean29]

Nov 29, 2017 11:44:40 GMT -5 haapai said:

Nov 29, 2017 9:49:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

It's all about NBC protecting their brand.

I suspect that NBC won't be sounding so heroic and decisive by dinner time tonight. 

The initial statement that they released regarding the firing will be demonstrated to be incredibly disingenuous by then. 

Happai, What am I missing?

On another note, When I heard this news, I was sure that there had been rumblings about him before?  No one seems to be saying that though?

[haapai]

Well, for starters both the NYT and Variety are alleged to have been pursuing a story regarding Lauer.  I find it hard to believe that NBC was unaware of this probing.

Then there's the question of whether Lauer would have been worth $20 million a year after those stories broke.

Or maybe there's recordings. 

It's extremely unusual for someone to get canned within 48 hours.  It will be interesting to find out why this claim is being made by NBC and I doubt that it will hold up to much scrutiny. 

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Well now we have this......

www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/garrison-keillor-says-fired-over-alleged-improper-behavior/ar-BBFVxVo?li=BBnbfcL

I saw no reason to start a new thread........

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Nov 29, 2017 12:54:48 GMT -5 @anne81 said:

I think we need a pervert megathread.

The site might crash!

[haapai]

The NYT article titled NBC Fires Matt Lauer Over Sexual Misconduct Allegation mentions that the woman who made the complaint was accompanied by a civil rights lawyer during the Monday night meeting and that she had met with the Times earlier in the day. 

Ari Wilkenfeld, a civil rights lawyer with the firm Wilkenfeld, Herendeen & Atkinson in Washington, said he represented the woman who made the complaint to NBC, but declined to publicly identify her. In a statement provided to The New York Times, he said:

“My client and I met with representatives from NBC’s Human Resources and Legal Departments at 6 p.m. on Monday for an interview that lasted several hours. Our impression at this point is that NBC acted quickly, as all companies should, when confronted with credible allegations of sexual misconduct in the workplace.

and later in the same article

The Times met with the woman Monday afternoon, but she said she was not ready to come forward and tell her story publicly.

I hope that I haven't copied and pasted too much.  I'd have no problem with the mod's taking white-out to the quoted portion if I have. 

If you run into a paywall using the above link, you may be able to get around it by picking up a link on Google news.  You'll probably have to click to full coverage to find it, though. 

[Opti]

Nov 29, 2017 9:49:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

It's all about NBC protecting their brand.

Will Alabama protect its brand and not elect Moore due to the charges of sexual molesation of a minor and a barely legal teenage girl when he was in his 30s?

Will the United States protect its brand and remove Trump from office due to the multiple sexual harassment claims filed against him?

Trump of all people should not be commenting about the firing of Lauer.

Agreed. NBC is definitely protesting their brand. I wil likely read on this later as my second thing to accomplish today is car inspection and ideally a third thing tonight if inspection is fast & well.

I think Alabama will screw up, given what some posters have said. They will be too focused on feeling someone is telling them what to do, and lose perspective. The important thing is do *you* want him elected given all your choices and are *you, Alabama voters* willing to live with the fallout should the majority choose wrong?

With the big sun outside I feel today and this general season is all about personality. Trump will be in his glory and will likely make some big blatant mistakes in the next few days.

[mmhmm]

Nov 29, 2017 13:07:49 GMT -5 haapai said:

The NYT article titled NBC Fires Matt Lauer Over Sexual Misconduct Allegation mentions that the woman who made the complaint was accompanied by a civil rights lawyer during the Monday night meeting and that she had met with the Times earlier in the day. 

Ari Wilkenfeld, a civil rights lawyer with the firm Wilkenfeld, Herendeen & Atkinson in Washington, said he represented the woman who made the complaint to NBC, but declined to publicly identify her. In a statement provided to The New York Times, he said:

“My client and I met with representatives from NBC’s Human Resources and Legal Departments at 6 p.m. on Monday for an interview that lasted several hours. Our impression at this point is that NBC acted quickly, as all companies should, when confronted with credible allegations of sexual misconduct in the workplace.

and later in the same article

The Times met with the woman Monday afternoon, but she said she was not ready to come forward and tell her story publicly.

I hope that I haven't copied and pasted too much.  I'd have no problem with the mod's taking white-out to the quoted portion if I have. 

If you run into a paywall using the above link, you may be able to get around it by picking up a link on Google news.  You'll probably have to click to full coverage to find it, though. 

You did great with your quotes! No need for "white-out" at all!

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Anyone notice we do not see anything in the news today on Weinstein, Franken, and Conyers?
The media has moved on and thus issuing a pass already.

Who gets nailed for aggression by 5 pm eastern today? We need a threepeat for the day!

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Nov 29, 2017 8:44:01 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

{{sigh}}

Well, let's get all the scumbags out into the open and see if we can move forward with a new normal.

I'm hoping the younger generation has been raised differently. So far, no one under 35 has been exposed (no pun intended) but that could be because there aren't as many "powetful" young people.

Leastwise younger folks are learning there can be harsh consequences, even years after you think you've gotten away with it.

Unless a majority of these recently fired individuals bounce back into their careers, this will be a permanent change in workplace climate.

While sad so many had feet of clay....good riddance.

[thyme4change]

Nov 29, 2017 14:26:25 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Nov 29, 2017 8:44:01 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

{{sigh}}

Well, let's get all the scumbags out into the open and see if we can move forward with a new normal.

I'm hoping the younger generation has been raised differently. So far, no one under 35 has been exposed (no pun intended) but that could be because there aren't as many "powetful" young people.

Leastwise younger folks are learning there can be harsh consequences, even years after you think you've gotten away with it.

Unless a majority of these recently fired individuals bounce back into their careers, this will be a permanent change in workplace climate.

While sad so many had feet of clay....good riddance.

Younger people also may be getting their big break as those top positions are being vacated.

[haapai]

I thought that there had been a permanent change in the workplace climate.  Back in the 1990s, when folks spoke of sexual harassment, they spoke mostly of hostile environment.  Very little breath was given to quid pro quo or groping.  It was pretty much assumed that everyone understood that those were wrong.  All of the focus was on offensive sexual speech and behavior, and after Oncale v Sundowner was announced, there was no reason to mull over why someone was being a jerk.  It was legally immaterial whether the jerk was getting sexual or emotional satisfaction from the offensive acts.  What mattered was whether the acts were offensive to the victim and whether they would be offensive to the "reasonable person". 

So why do so many of the recent scandals involve something as no-brainer as pressuring a subordinate for sex or touching them in a sexual manner without consent?  We appear to have regressed.  What happened? 

[haapai]

The recently dropped Variety story.  IMO, it wasn't ready for publication.  Not a single source is named. 

[chiver78]

I was just coming over here to post that link as well. sounds like Variety was essentially forcing NBC's hand. 

[Tennesseer]

Garrison Keillor fired, says he put hand on woman's back


link

[thyme4change]

Nov 29, 2017 15:45:45 GMT -5 haapai said:

I thought that there had been a permanent change in the workplace climate.  Back in the 1990s, when folks spoke of sexual harassment, they spoke mostly of hostile environment.  Very little breath was given to quid pro quo or groping.  It was pretty much assumed that everyone understood that those were wrong.  All of the focus was on offensive sexual speech and behavior, and after Oncale v Sundowner was announced, there was no reason to mull over why someone was being a jerk.  It was legally immaterial whether the jerk was getting sexual or emotional satisfaction from the offensive acts.  What mattered was whether the acts were offensive to the victim and whether they would be offensive to the "reasonable person". 

So why do so many of the recent scandals involve something as no-brainer as pressuring a subordinate for sex or touching them in a sexual manner without consent?  We appear to have regressed.  What happened? 

I wonder if there are two worlds - one is the regular world, where degrading women and telling nasty jokes and just generally allowing all rooms to be "locker rooms" and only women who are willing to deal with it will survive, and a second world, where that turns into physical contact.  

I have been working for a long time, and the shit that went on 25 years ago just wouldn't be tolerated now.  But, the people who were very powerful probably had the "I will pretend to support the non-hostile movement, but because I'm special, I'm still allowed to touch.  I just have to be a little more sly about it."  So, the average joe, and the average office did change, but the people who think the rules don't apply to them didn't really change their ways.

[haapai]

Actually, it was a bit of a rhetorical question.  I blame HR.  They've gotten very sneaky and skilled about not getting formal complaints and shutting up would-be complainers. 

[haapai]

Can anyone clue me in on why the Variety story that chiver and I saw has disappeared from Google News?  It was the third in the list for a hot second, on the first page of results.  Now it's just not in the results.  I've scrolled through the entire "full coverage" list twice and it isn't there.  Stories that reference it are included, as are other Variety stories from earlier in the day, but the one that I linked is absent. 

The link still works, so it isn't as if Variety has taken the story down.  I just checked that. 

[Tennesseer]

Nov 29, 2017 16:50:24 GMT -5 haapai said:

Can anyone clue me in on why the Variety story that chiver and I saw has disappeared from Google News?  It was the third in the list for a hot second, on the first page of results.  Now it's just not in the results.  I've scrolled through the entire "full coverage" list twice and it isn't there.  Stories that reference it are included, as are other Variety stories from earlier in the day, but the one that I linked is absent. 

The link still works, so it isn't as if Variety has taken the story down.  I just checked that. 

?

Variety: Matt Lauer Accused of Sexual Harassment by Multiple Women (EXCLUSIVE)