Herman Cain stepping in it again

[ugonow]

"KEYES: You came under a bit of controversy this week for some of the comments made about Muslims in general. Would you be comfortable appointing a Muslim, either in your cabinet or as a federal judge?

CAIN: No, I would not. And here’s why. There is this creeping attempt, there is this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government. It does not belong in our government. This is what happened in Europe. And little by little, to try and be politically correct, they made this little change, they made this little change. And now they’ve got a social problem that they don’t know what to do with hardly.

The question that was asked that “raised some questions” and, as my grandfather said, “I does not care, I feel the way I feel.” I was asked, “what is the role of Islam in America?” I thought it was an odd question. I said the role of Islam in America is for those that believe in Islam to practice it and leave us alone. Just like Christianity. We have a First Amendment. And I get upset when the Muslims in this country, some of them, try to force their Sharia law onto the rest of us.

[ugonow]

He should check his understanding of the U.S. Constitution, which states in Article 4:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

[billisonboard]

Just doing his job of getting his name out there. Any attention is better than no attention.

[henryclay]

Link to OP?

[ugonow]

Sorry,henry.....thinkprogress.org/2011/03/26/herman-cain-muslims/

[henryclay]

Thanks for the link. And thanks also for the reading from the 4th Amendment. Maybe it stopped short. In your link, Mr. Cain prefaced his remarks with this:

"............based upon the little knowledge that I have of the Muslim religion, you know, they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them..............”

Do you think the Framers intended that the American people should ever have to choose for or against anyone who practices such a religion to represent us in a position of authority , , , , , in ANY capacity?

[ugonow]

IMO, Cain is shooting himself in the foot. He will kill his chances before he gets to the starting gate if he keeps this up.

[billisonboard]

Mar 27, 2011 12:00:05 GMT -5 ugonow said:

IMO, Cain is shooting himself in the foot. He will kill his chances before he gets to the starting gate if he keeps this up.

His chance to be POTUS? He has no chance so he can't kill anything. He is simply pushing his agenda. I encourage you to just enjoy the show.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I was asked, “what is the role of Islam in America?” I thought it was an odd question. I said the role of Islam in America is for those that believe in Islam to practice it and leave us alone. Just like Christianity. We have a First Amendment. And I get upset when the Muslims in this country, some of them, try to force their Sharia law onto the rest of us.

We are a nation founded upon, primarily made up of, and laws rooted in the traditions of Christians and Jews. Not that we are Christian, or Jewish as a people, or as a nation- but that's our undeniable foundation. We have to acknowledge it, embrace the best of it, and be very, very careful, and very slow about changing it to accomodate a people and a religion that essentially comes from the a**hole of the world. This isn't an indictment of all muslims, it's simply an honest assessment of their little corner of the world, their culture, and their sharia. We do not need that, or desire that in any way. They come here for ostensibly for a better life- and we should insist they get it. We owe it to them to protect them from the worst elements of their culture, their religion, and the way of life in the islamic nations of the world. And we owe it to ourselves to protect ourselves.

[EVT1]

Yeah- save the poor Muslims from their religion. Now if we could just save the Christians from theirs the world might be a better place. It's a free country- so you don't have to accommodate anyone and we don't have to accommodate you- and by the way the a**hole of the world as you call it was the birthplace of you and your religion too- are you that clueless?

[EVT1]

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[handyman2]

Does anyone have any idea who first warned Europe of the dangers to thier governments and way of life?
The answer: Sir Winston Churchill, the year 1899. he warned the European nations at that time of the Islamic plan to take over Europe. A long time ago but we are seeing the results now.

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We are a nation founded upon, primarily made up of, and laws rooted in the traditions of Christians and Jews.

Christianity, Judiasm and Islam are ALL rooted the same ...

[EVT1]

You're gonna confuse them- next thing you are going to say is they all worship the same God

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

They come here for ostensibly for a better life- and we should insist they get it.

Except don't employ them, you know, they might "Muslim" up the joint or something.

We owe it to them to protect them from the worst elements of their culture, their religion, and the way of life in the islamic nations of the world.

Who elected you to be their momma?

[handyman2]

The problem with Islam is not the religious side but the political side. As Europe is finding out.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 27, 2011 18:46:14 GMT -5 oped said:

We are a nation founded upon, primarily made up of, and laws rooted in the traditions of Christians and Jews.

Christianity, Judiasm and Islam are ALL rooted the same ...

That's the PC, multiculural line- but it is, as most leftist drivel is, naive at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 29, 2011 9:52:12 GMT -5 Mkitty is pro kitty said:

They come here for ostensibly for a better life- and we should insist they get it.

Except don't employ them, you know, they might "Muslim" up the joint or something.

We owe it to them to protect them from the worst elements of their culture, their religion, and the way of life in the islamic nations of the world.

Who elected you to be their momma?

Here in the United States, the Constitution. Welcome to the United States, now- become an American, practice your religion in complete freedom and peace, or- if you prefer- go back where you came from. You aren't welcome to come here and change how we do things. You're welcome to come here and get used to how we do things.

[ed1066]

Mar 29, 2011 10:44:50 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Mar 29, 2011 9:52:12 GMT -5 Mkitty is pro kitty said:

Except don't employ them, you know, they might "Muslim" up the joint or something.



Who elected you to be their momma?

Here in the United States, the Constitution. Welcome to the United States, now- become an American, practice your religion in complete freedom and peace, or- if you prefer- go back where you came from. You aren't welcome to come here and change how we do things. You're welcome to come here and get used to how we do things.

Damn skippy!

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

www.islam-watch.org/ThomasJefferson/AmericaIslamWar.htm

Take, for example, the 1786 meeting in London of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Tripolitan ambassador to Britain. As American ambassadors to France and Britain respectively, Jefferson and Adams met with Ambassador Adja to negotiate a peace treaty and protect the United States from the threat of Barbary piracy.

These future United States presidents questioned the ambassador as to why his government was so hostile to the new American republic even though America had done nothing to provoke any such animosity. Ambassador Adja answered them, as they reported to the Continental Congress, “that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
Sound familiar?

The candor of that Tripolitan ambassador is admirable in its way, but it certainly foreshadows the equally forthright declarations of, say, the Shiite Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in the 1980s and the Sunni Osama bin Laden in the 1990s, not to mention the many pronouncements of their various minions, admirers, and followers. Note that America’s Barbary experience took place well before colonialism entered the lands of Islam, before there were any oil interests dragging the U.S. into the fray, and long before the founding of the state of Israel.

Got that geniuses? There was no oil, no israel, and no American involvement in the middle east, and yet- these islamists had to bring war to us because it was their "right and duty" according to their Holy Book.

There is no doubt that the Arabs and Jews share the same father- Abraham. However, there's a direct conflict in each version of the story, and Christians side with the Jews.

The root of the current conflict can be traced back to the half brothers Ishmael and Isaac. One born of the flesh- Ishmael- who was promised to become a "great nation"- the Arabs, and one born according to the promise- Isaac.

Some theologians, and philosophers would like to believe that they can re-unite the decendants of the half brothers, but it is not to be.

The entire foundation of Islam is set against Judiaism and Chrstianity- they believe that Jews distorted the scriptures to set themselves up as the heirs of Abraham's covenant with God- as told in the Bible. The New Testament goes on to tell Christians that the covenant was made with Isaac and his decendants.

This is irreconcilable with the Koran's account. According to Islamic tradition, Abraham had eight sons rather than two who were reared in Mecca, not Hebron. They insist it was Ishmael, not Isaac, whom Abraham was about to sacrifice on Mount Moriah when an angel stopped him. According to the Koran, the Abrahamic covenant, with its promises - including the title deed to the land of Israel - was passed down to the Arabs through Ishmael, rather than to the Jews through Isaac.

You see the obvious problem here- someone- the Christians and the Jews, or the Muslims are going to have to compromise their sacred text, give up their "truth", disavow their Holy scriptures to ultimately solve this problem.

As Christians, many of us- myself included- clearly see that the problem won't be solved, but is being used to God's glory to set up the events leading up to the return of Christ and the setting up of his eternal kingdom.