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Post by Bonny on Oct 15, 2017 17:46:06 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Oct 15, 2017 18:01:44 GMT -5
I wonder how the dog had them survive.
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Post by Bonny on Oct 15, 2017 22:56:31 GMT -5
I wonder how the dog had them survive. I'm speculating of course, but the pen areas looked pretty bare and devoid of grass or other vegetation. It's possible that if the animals sheltered in place and didn't run off in a panic that the fire could have skipped over the bare area and moved onto to something else that had fuel. Both goats and deer are herd animals. If the dog kept them herded in the bare pen area he very well may have saved their lives.
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Post by cronewitch on Oct 16, 2017 3:21:46 GMT -5
I wonder how the dog had them survive. I'm speculating of course, but the pen areas looked pretty bare and devoid of grass or other vegetation. It's possible that if the animals sheltered in place and didn't run off in a panic that the fire could have skipped over the bare area and moved onto to something else that had fuel. Both goats and deer are herd animals. If the dog kept them herded in the bare pen area he very well may have saved their lives. I read the dog may have herded them onto some rocks. The next day they were all missing but found again, some rescue group may have taken them but they are ok now.
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Post by Bonny on Oct 16, 2017 17:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Oct 16, 2017 17:42:44 GMT -5
I like that story. Unfortunately it doesn't always go that way. I watched a You Tube video last night of someone returning to their still somewhat flooded property after Harvey. The potbelly pig survived as did at least one goat, but the horses and donkey that were alive looked shell shocked and several probably had broken legs. I was glad the camera did not linger on at least one upside down dead four footed animal in the fence.
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Post by Bonny on Oct 16, 2017 18:50:02 GMT -5
I like that story. Unfortunately it doesn't always go that way. I watched a You Tube video last night of someone returning to their still somewhat flooded property after Harvey. The potbelly pig survived as did at least one goat, but the horses and donkey that were alive looked shell shocked and several probably had broken legs. I was glad the camera did not linger on at least one upside down dead four footed animal in the fence. But that's the point of the story. No one would have thought they would have survived. It was a miracle that they did.
I am posting about positive stories of a horrific situation. The body count probably won't be finished for another week but it is still amazing that the loss of life was so low given the short warning, at 3 am and under some very difficult conditions.
I have heard of very little bad behavior; a couple of attempted lootings, a little bit of price gouging. All in all well behaved folks under a lot of stress and some incredible acts of generosity.
This next stage is going to be hard as it will be slow going sifting through the wreckage for the missing. Dealing with insurance and an already contractor shortage will take a lot of patience. My heart goes out to them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 29, 2017 22:38:44 GMT -5
Fortunately, the California fires have mostly been contained. My nephew, a former wildland-firefighter posted this article on Facebook. It's about the little known other casualties of fighting wildland fires. A Quiet Rise in Wildland-Firefighter SuicidesAmerica’s firefighting community is grappling with a troubling trend amid brutal fire seasons. Nelda St. Clair keeps an unofficial list: 22 last year, 30 the year before. Sixteen suicides among wildland firefighters this year already, although St. Clair points out there tends to be a spike after fire season, which has dragged on long this year. “Suicide rates have become astronomical,” she says. “And those are just the ones we know of.” Over the past decade, there’s been a quiet acknowledgement within America’s firefighting community that suicide is widespread, and that there are still probably many cases that haven’t been reported. As the numbers grow, so too does the concern that the tough, pull-yourself-up-by-your-own-bootstraps wildland firefighters—the men and women who fight fires in vegetation instead of buildings—are at risk. That’s why St. Clair, a manager for the Bureau of Land Management wildland-fire department’s Critical Incident Stress-Management Program, is keeping track. She believes that quantifying the problem can help people talk about its causes. Complete article here: A Quiet Rise in Wildland-Firefighter Suicides
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Post by Bonny on Oct 31, 2017 16:35:10 GMT -5
Fortunately, the California fires have mostly been contained. My nephew, a former wildland-firefighter posted this article on Facebook. It's about the little known other casualties of fighting wildland fires. A Quiet Rise in Wildland-Firefighter SuicidesAmerica’s firefighting community is grappling with a troubling trend amid brutal fire seasons. Nelda St. Clair keeps an unofficial list: 22 last year, 30 the year before. Sixteen suicides among wildland firefighters this year already, although St. Clair points out there tends to be a spike after fire season, which has dragged on long this year. “Suicide rates have become astronomical,” she says. “And those are just the ones we know of.” Over the past decade, there’s been a quiet acknowledgement within America’s firefighting community that suicide is widespread, and that there are still probably many cases that haven’t been reported. As the numbers grow, so too does the concern that the tough, pull-yourself-up-by-your-own-bootstraps wildland firefighters—the men and women who fight fires in vegetation instead of buildings—are at risk. That’s why St. Clair, a manager for the Bureau of Land Management wildland-fire department’s Critical Incident Stress-Management Program, is keeping track. She believes that quantifying the problem can help people talk about its causes. Complete article here: A Quiet Rise in Wildland-Firefighter SuicidesInteresting article and thanks for sharing.
One of the questions I didn't see the researchers asking is if the profession attracts a certain type of person who might be predisposed to bi-polar mental health issues. It's got to be an incredible rush to be a hero in one of these horrific fires but when it's all over I can imagine one feels bored and perhaps useless and without purpose. Add in alcohol or other drugs and I can imagine the swings may be even more apparent.
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Post by tskeeter on Oct 31, 2017 18:31:37 GMT -5
Fortunately, the California fires have mostly been contained. My nephew, a former wildland-firefighter posted this article on Facebook. It's about the little known other casualties of fighting wildland fires. A Quiet Rise in Wildland-Firefighter SuicidesAmerica’s firefighting community is grappling with a troubling trend amid brutal fire seasons. Nelda St. Clair keeps an unofficial list: 22 last year, 30 the year before. Sixteen suicides among wildland firefighters this year already, although St. Clair points out there tends to be a spike after fire season, which has dragged on long this year. “Suicide rates have become astronomical,” she says. “And those are just the ones we know of.” Over the past decade, there’s been a quiet acknowledgement within America’s firefighting community that suicide is widespread, and that there are still probably many cases that haven’t been reported. As the numbers grow, so too does the concern that the tough, pull-yourself-up-by-your-own-bootstraps wildland firefighters—the men and women who fight fires in vegetation instead of buildings—are at risk. That’s why St. Clair, a manager for the Bureau of Land Management wildland-fire department’s Critical Incident Stress-Management Program, is keeping track. She believes that quantifying the problem can help people talk about its causes. Complete article here: A Quiet Rise in Wildland-Firefighter SuicidesInteresting article and thanks for sharing.
One of the questions I didn't see the researchers asking is if the profession attracts a certain type of person who might be predisposed to bi-polar mental health issues. It's got to be an incredible rush to be a hero in one of these horrific fires but when it's all over I can imagine one feels bored and perhaps useless and without purpose. Add in alcohol or other drugs and I can imagine the swings may be even more apparent.
I’m sure that all types of fire fighting attracts folks with a variety of mental health issues. Adrenaline junkies, hero complexes, and more. The feeding of which suddenly ends with the end of fire season for wildland fire fighters. Most of the cases are probably not serious. But, those that are...
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Post by tskeeter on Oct 31, 2017 18:44:46 GMT -5
Fortunately, the California fires have mostly been contained. My nephew, a former wildland-firefighter posted this article on Facebook. It's about the little known other casualties of fighting wildland fires. A Quiet Rise in Wildland-Firefighter SuicidesAmerica’s firefighting community is grappling with a troubling trend amid brutal fire seasons. Nelda St. Clair keeps an unofficial list: 22 last year, 30 the year before. Sixteen suicides among wildland firefighters this year already, although St. Clair points out there tends to be a spike after fire season, which has dragged on long this year. “Suicide rates have become astronomical,” she says. “And those are just the ones we know of.” Over the past decade, there’s been a quiet acknowledgement within America’s firefighting community that suicide is widespread, and that there are still probably many cases that haven’t been reported. As the numbers grow, so too does the concern that the tough, pull-yourself-up-by-your-own-bootstraps wildland firefighters—the men and women who fight fires in vegetation instead of buildings—are at risk. That’s why St. Clair, a manager for the Bureau of Land Management wildland-fire department’s Critical Incident Stress-Management Program, is keeping track. She believes that quantifying the problem can help people talk about its causes. Complete article here: A Quiet Rise in Wildlad nd-Firefighter SuicidesInteresting article and thanks for sharing.
One of the questions I didn't see the researchers asking is if the profession attracts a certain type of person who might be predisposed to bi-polar mental health issues. It's got to be an incredible rush to be a hero in one of these horrific fires but when it's all over I can imagine one feels bored and perhaps useless and without purpose. Add in alcohol or other drugs and I can imagine the swings may be even more apparent.
I also think one has to ask if this trend is related to the general trend for younger folks to be more psychologically fragile than preceding generations. There is a school of thought among family psychologists that many kids today lack the emotional toughness and resilience of their elders. I’ve seen a few psychologists attribute this trend to our kid-centric approach to child rearing. Don’t know that I buy that explanation as the sole cause. But, it’s a theory in a field composed pretty exclusively of theories.
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Post by Bonny on Nov 2, 2017 18:17:18 GMT -5
Drove up to Dry Creek (outside of Healdsburg in Sonoma County) to pick up my wine club purchases. Saw some damage; some hills were burned and could see fire damage in Santa Rosa and Rohnert Park from the freeway. Truly bizarre how the fire skipped around and burnt things to the ground and spared others. Lots of prep being done for our first rains which are expected Friday and Saturday. County environmental officials are worried that run off from the fire areas will contain toxic materials from burned homes and businesses and wash through the storm drain system into creeks, the Russian River and eventually to sea.
It was heartening to see almost every Freeway Overpass with banners thanking the firefighters and first responders. There were also several billboards also thanking them from local businesses.
It was the quietest I've ever seen the Dry Creek area. I think people don't know whether they should visit. Keep Sonoma strong! Buy Sonoma wines!
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