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Post by hoops902 on Sept 25, 2017 14:42:58 GMT -5
Actually, the criticism is coming because you're trying to compare how people should treat human children to how they should treat dogs, which only took a few examples to show how ridiculous that is. You have no real facts to back up anything you're saying, so you just resorted to saying "You wouldn't treat a child like that, so don't treat a dog like that"...but then you only want to apply that logic to things you personally believe...since believing that across the board has already been shown to be silly. I don't care why people think I feel the way I feel. I have tons of facts to back up what I'm saying. I spend a whole lot of my life actually living what I'm talking about rather than trying to act smart on the internet or justify my bad behavior. Great, let's here these "tons of facts". So far your only justification has been in saying people should do the same things to their pets as they do with children. It's smart that you're now backing away from that position after how ridiculous your logic was proven to be.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 25, 2017 14:56:23 GMT -5
I'd like to see these facts too. I'd like to be able to pass them onto my vet and the trainer we worked with. I think it's important to know if their 25+ years of experience with animal health and behavior are incorrect so they can give out the proper information to their customers.
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Post by raeoflyte on Sept 25, 2017 14:58:44 GMT -5
So dogs in shelters should be euthanized? Obviously the original owner should be euthanized, but does that sentence carry over to "rescuers"? Shelters and rescues have no choice. And, hopefully, the situation is temporary. Shelters have a number of animals who may or may not interact well together so they can't really place them into a room or yard where they can all run around. Mostly, shelters and rescuers are cleaning up the mess stupid people make so their choices are limited. Obviously, the latest disasters are an exception. And since I work in one quite regularly, I'm posting from real experience and not a link from something the internet says.
Not sure where you got "euthanized" from that but it's pretty typical around here to go from 0 to 60 when challenged about something. It's the first sign that people know they are wrong. They get all hysterical and start making shit up.
I've never once said a dog should never be crated. I've never once opined on cats. I only speak about what I know and I know nothing about cats. You can tell me your cat likes to stand on it's front paws for eight hours on the shower head while mewing "Dixie" and I won't know if that's wrong or right. I know crating an animal for most of the day is wrong. Anybody with half a brain knows it's wrong and knows they are doing it for themselves and not for their dog. Why they even want one is beyond me. I suppose it's a step up from the animal starving to death or being outside in unbearable weather. I guess....kudos to those who took these poor dogs off the street and into their....cages.
My point was that if you're adopting an animal from a shelter you're likely taking on issues that the animal already has. It may or may not be from the previous owner -- sometimes its personality. But when someone is willing to take on a problem animal and give it the best life they can I don't usually judge them for having a less than perfect home life. One of our dogs can eat a couch in about 2 hours. She destroyed 2 of ours (long before we had kids, when pet life in our house was pretty fucking amazing). It's just what she does. She had been up for adoption for 6 months and was going to end up euthanized. Maybe that would have been better for her, but I like to think she's had a lot of good times over the last 10 years with us despite not ever being trusted alone unsupervised. Your experience is very different from mine. I also have years of shelter exposure and dog training experience. I'm surrounded by vet techs that work at vet hospitals and no-kill animal shelters. I'm not attacking your opinion, but I am responding to your attacks and asking that you back up your claims.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 25, 2017 15:18:24 GMT -5
Shelters and rescues have no choice. And, hopefully, the situation is temporary. Shelters have a number of animals who may or may not interact well together so they can't really place them into a room or yard where they can all run around. Mostly, shelters and rescuers are cleaning up the mess stupid people make so their choices are limited. Obviously, the latest disasters are an exception. And since I work in one quite regularly, I'm posting from real experience and not a link from something the internet says.
Not sure where you got "euthanized" from that but it's pretty typical around here to go from 0 to 60 when challenged about something. It's the first sign that people know they are wrong. They get all hysterical and start making shit up.
I've never once said a dog should never be crated. I've never once opined on cats. I only speak about what I know and I know nothing about cats. You can tell me your cat likes to stand on it's front paws for eight hours on the shower head while mewing "Dixie" and I won't know if that's wrong or right. I know crating an animal for most of the day is wrong. Anybody with half a brain knows it's wrong and knows they are doing it for themselves and not for their dog. Why they even want one is beyond me. I suppose it's a step up from the animal starving to death or being outside in unbearable weather. I guess....kudos to those who took these poor dogs off the street and into their....cages.
My point was that if you're adopting an animal from a shelter you're likely taking on issues that the animal already has. It may or may not be from the previous owner -- sometimes its personality. But when someone is willing to take on a problem animal and give it the best life they can I don't usually judge them for having a less than perfect home life. One of our dogs can eat a couch in about 2 hours. She destroyed 2 of ours (long before we had kids, when pet life in our house was pretty fucking amazing). It's just what she does. She had been up for adoption for 6 months and was going to end up euthanized. Maybe that would have been better for her, but I like to think she's had a lot of good times over the last 10 years with us despite not ever being trusted alone unsupervised. Your experience is very different from mine. I also have years of shelter exposure and dog training experience. I'm surrounded by vet techs that work at vet hospitals and no-kill animal shelters. I'm not attacking your opinion, but I am responding to your attacks and asking that you back up your claims. Of course you are taking on issues an animal already has. Nobody disputed that. And of course I'm thankful for those who adopt those animals that aren't perfect. Believe me, I thank God every single day for those people who will take an animal with a handicap or one who has been abused and exhibits less that cuddly behavior.
I don't know what you want me to "back up". I have spent more hours than most people are alive in animal shelters. I started walking dogs when I was about 6 and worked up from there. I'm speaking from years and years of experience, but if you'd rather hear what someone who wrote some article, you are free to look it up. I've already cited a couple of sources. I don't, nor have I ever posted links. I don't believe in doing that here. People will do anything they can to dispute it, including deriding your source (which they then quote a week later) or find other sources that say your source is wrong. And there are usually those in existence.
I'm not attacking you either. I believe what I believe. I'm not asking for or expecting perfection from anyone. Again...God bless those who take these animals who need a home. All I'm speaking about here is crating an animal all day long. That's it. If you worked at shelters and trained animals, you know dang well that isn't good for the dog. I understand training is most effective if done at a very early age. I also know old dogs can be taught new tricks.
Since you have actually spend time with trainers, etc., you know that dogs chew mostly because they are bored. I'm guessing my dog doesn't chew stuff because he has access to the outdoors if he gets bored inside. And of course they are bored being left home alone all day but that can't be helped sometimes. If your dogs don't chew the furniture when you are home, they know they aren't supposed to chew the furniture. They need to know they aren't supposed to chew the furniture when you aren't home either. My dog has never chewed on stuff because he isn't allowed to chew on anything inside the house. He isn't provided with chew toys or bones or anything like that. It's a bit of a stretch for them to understand that you can chew on this toy but not on that sofa. Chewing on stuff is for outside. No exceptions. They can learn. Crating all day instead is unacceptable to me. I understand you don't agree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 15:26:46 GMT -5
My dog has never chewed on stuff because he isn't allowed to chew on anything inside the house. He isn't provided with chew toys or bones or anything like that. It's a bit of a stretch for them to understand that you can chew on this toy but not on that sofa. Chewing on stuff is for outside. No exceptions. They can learn. Crating all day instead is unacceptable to me. I understand you don't agree. I must have had really smart dogs because I always gave them chew toys and ropes and such and they knew those were theirs to chew and the sofa wasn't...once they were past the chewing on everything puppy stage.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 25, 2017 15:33:21 GMT -5
My dog has never chewed on stuff because he isn't allowed to chew on anything inside the house. He isn't provided with chew toys or bones or anything like that. It's a bit of a stretch for them to understand that you can chew on this toy but not on that sofa. Chewing on stuff is for outside. No exceptions. They can learn. Crating all day instead is unacceptable to me. I understand you don't agree. I must have had really smart dogs because I always gave them chew toys and ropes and such and they knew those were theirs to chew and the sofa wasn't...once they were past the chewing on everything puppy stage. You are right. I should have said "some" dogs. Dogs are no more all alike than people are.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 25, 2017 15:34:11 GMT -5
I'm really hoping the twins outgrow the destructive phase soon. Macy is better than Jackson, but neither should be left alone. My sheltie outgrew that stage by the time he was a year old. My lab it was more like age 3, and I think that's pretty typical for labs. Crap! Did you ever have a Doberman? If so, when did they stop being a shit head?
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 25, 2017 15:48:44 GMT -5
Shelters and rescues have no choice. And, hopefully, the situation is temporary. Shelters have a number of animals who may or may not interact well together so they can't really place them into a room or yard where they can all run around. Mostly, shelters and rescuers are cleaning up the mess stupid people make so their choices are limited. Obviously, the latest disasters are an exception. And since I work in one quite regularly, I'm posting from real experience and not a link from something the internet says.
Not sure where you got "euthanized" from that but it's pretty typical around here to go from 0 to 60 when challenged about something. It's the first sign that people know they are wrong. They get all hysterical and start making shit up.
I've never once said a dog should never be crated. I've never once opined on cats. I only speak about what I know and I know nothing about cats. You can tell me your cat likes to stand on it's front paws for eight hours on the shower head while mewing "Dixie" and I won't know if that's wrong or right. I know crating an animal for most of the day is wrong. Anybody with half a brain knows it's wrong and knows they are doing it for themselves and not for their dog. Why they even want one is beyond me. I suppose it's a step up from the animal starving to death or being outside in unbearable weather. I guess....kudos to those who took these poor dogs off the street and into their....cages.
My point was that if you're adopting an animal from a shelter you're likely taking on issues that the animal already has. It may or may not be from the previous owner -- sometimes its personality. But when someone is willing to take on a problem animal and give it the best life they can I don't usually judge them for having a less than perfect home life. One of our dogs can eat a couch in about 2 hours. She destroyed 2 of ours (long before we had kids, when pet life in our house was pretty fucking amazing). It's just what she does. She had been up for adoption for 6 months and was going to end up euthanized. Maybe that would have been better for her, but I like to think she's had a lot of good times over the last 10 years with us despite not ever being trusted alone unsupervised. Your experience is very different from mine. I also have years of shelter exposure and dog training experience. I'm surrounded by vet techs that work at vet hospitals and no-kill animal shelters. I'm not attacking your opinion, but I am responding to your attacks and asking that you back up your claims. Jackson was left alone loose in the house by accident as someone didn't close the crate door right. He was only loose for a couple of hours. He mutilated my couch. There's a picture of the damage somewhere on the dog blog. He's not to be left unsupervised.
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Post by raeoflyte on Sept 25, 2017 15:56:12 GMT -5
My point was that if you're adopting an animal from a shelter you're likely taking on issues that the animal already has. It may or may not be from the previous owner -- sometimes its personality. But when someone is willing to take on a problem animal and give it the best life they can I don't usually judge them for having a less than perfect home life. One of our dogs can eat a couch in about 2 hours. She destroyed 2 of ours (long before we had kids, when pet life in our house was pretty fucking amazing). It's just what she does. She had been up for adoption for 6 months and was going to end up euthanized. Maybe that would have been better for her, but I like to think she's had a lot of good times over the last 10 years with us despite not ever being trusted alone unsupervised. Your experience is very different from mine. I also have years of shelter exposure and dog training experience. I'm surrounded by vet techs that work at vet hospitals and no-kill animal shelters. I'm not attacking your opinion, but I am responding to your attacks and asking that you back up your claims. Of course you are taking on issues an animal already has. Nobody disputed that. And of course I'm thankful for those who adopt those animals that aren't perfect. Believe me, I thank God every single day for those people who will take an animal with a handicap or one who has been abused and exhibits less that cuddly behavior.
I don't know what you want me to "back up". I have spent more hours than most people are alive in animal shelters. I started walking dogs when I was about 6 and worked up from there. I'm speaking from years and years of experience, but if you'd rather hear what someone who wrote some article, you are free to look it up. I've already cited a couple of sources. I don't, nor have I ever posted links. I don't believe in doing that here. People will do anything they can to dispute it, including deriding your source (which they then quote a week later) or find other sources that say your source is wrong. And there are usually those in existence.
I'm not attacking you either. I believe what I believe. I'm not asking for or expecting perfection from anyone. Again...God bless those who take these animals who need a home. All I'm speaking about here is crating an animal all day long. That's it. If you worked at shelters and trained animals, you know dang well that isn't good for the dog. I understand training is most effective if done at a very early age. I also know old dogs can be taught new tricks.
Since you have actually spend time with trainers, etc., you know that dogs chew mostly because they are bored. I'm guessing my dog doesn't chew stuff because he has access to the outdoors if he gets bored inside. And of course they are bored being left home alone all day but that can't be helped sometimes. If your dogs don't chew the furniture when you are home, they know they aren't supposed to chew the furniture. They need to know they aren't supposed to chew the furniture when you aren't home either. My dog has never chewed on stuff because he isn't allowed to chew on anything inside the house. He isn't provided with chew toys or bones or anything like that. It's a bit of a stretch for them to understand that you can chew on this toy but not on that sofa. Chewing on stuff is for outside. No exceptions. They can learn. Crating all day instead is unacceptable to me. I understand you don't agree.
So I'm a failure because I can't break 1 animal of 1 bad habit, even though none of my other animals have that issue? Different animals, different issues. The amount that we can change them is also different depending on the animal and situation and one size fits all approaches might sell books, but doesn't work applied to all animals. Maybe I should be on the side arguing that animals are just like humans. And you say I'm going to nitpick your sources while you tear apart the 1 personal example I gave? Hypocritical much?
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Post by justme on Sept 25, 2017 15:57:32 GMT -5
My friend had a video camera on her rescue for a while when she first got her. Guess what she did in her crate? Sleep! And even when my friend is home half the time she just lays around and falls asleep unless something interesting happens.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Sept 25, 2017 16:12:43 GMT -5
I am a cat person. When I was working, cats were allowed to roam free in the house. No, I wasn't there to clean the litter box after every use. I have always cleaned the litter box daily. Cat foods are better now and Lucy doesn't smell up the house when she uses the box. I put the bags of waste in the garage until trash day. She sniffs at those like they are horrible. I tell her that stuff came out of you. Lucy sleeps a lot. Her life is mostly sleep, eat, use box. She plays with some of the toys I buy her, but not all. She likes to watch birds, squirrels, etc. from the back of the couch until she falls asleep. She has caught flies for me. She earns her keep.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 25, 2017 16:23:03 GMT -5
My friend had a video camera on her rescue for a while when she first got her. Guess what she did in her crate? Sleep! And even when my friend is home half the time she just lays around and falls asleep unless something interesting happens. What did she expect him to do while in his crate? Chase butterflies? Romp around the yard? He's crated, for Heaven's sake. What else can he do?
I'm glad he wasn't whining and chewing at the bars, but sleep is pretty much his only choice. That doesn't mean he was happy about it.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 25, 2017 16:24:19 GMT -5
Ugh. So I have about another year for Macy and two for Jackson. And he's the destructive one! I can't!
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Post by justme on Sept 25, 2017 16:55:32 GMT -5
My friend had a video camera on her rescue for a while when she first got her. Guess what she did in her crate? Sleep! And even when my friend is home half the time she just lays around and falls asleep unless something interesting happens. What did she expect him to do while in his crate? Chase butterflies? Romp around the yard? He's crated, for Heaven's sake. What else can he do?
I'm glad he wasn't whining and chewing at the bars, but sleep is pretty much his only choice. That doesn't mean he was happy about it.
Doesn't mean she wasn't. And actually the crate is pretty big for her size so she could move around or play with her toys that she brings in. Like someone said dogs actually do sleep a lot. Like she does on days she chooses to go sleep in her crate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 17:01:54 GMT -5
My friend had a video camera on her rescue for a while when she first got her. Guess what she did in her crate? Sleep! And even when my friend is home half the time she just lays around and falls asleep unless something interesting happens. What did she expect him to do while in his crate? Chase butterflies? Romp around the yard? He's crated, for Heaven's sake. What else can he do?
I'm glad he wasn't whining and chewing at the bars, but sleep is pretty much his only choice. That doesn't mean he was happy about it.
Never had a camera on my dog but every single time I came home she was always just sleeping in her crate despite the door being open. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Not sure what else she was going to do in the house either. I have never come home to a dog tearing around the house, working on puzzles or watching Maury.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 25, 2017 23:42:52 GMT -5
I tried to let the twins sleep with me. They were too busy growling at God knows what outside. They're now in their crates for the night. I'm a monster.
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Post by raeoflyte on Sept 26, 2017 10:25:44 GMT -5
I was thinking about this thread last night, and working in shelters and the group think of the lifers there. It's a rough gig because you really do see some of the worst in people. People who relinquish cats because they don't match the new sofa, or the person who repeatedly brings in kittens or puppies because they refuse to spay/neuter for crazy ideas--like they want their kids to see the miracle of life (which not to get off topic, but in that world also doesn't seem to include taking care of or providing for the babies), people who drop off the family dog at receiving and then get pissed off when they aren't allowed to adopt a puppy -- ON THE SAME DAY! That kind of stuff wears you down, and take a population of people who are probably working/volunteering with at an animal shelter because they very willingly proclaim to dislike most people that kind of stuff day after day, or year after year really changes your perspective. And that isn't even dealing with the reality of what euthanasia looks like in most animal shelters.
I know dh and I lost touch with what I would say reality is now while we were there. It was normal to have 3 dogs and 5 cats of our own, and fostering a mom and kitten in the 2nd bedroom, and bottle babies in the kitty condo, and an adult dog, or puppy. It was normal to spend 3 hours a day cleaning and still have a house that smelled like an animal shelter. I wish I was making that up, but everyone was like that. We got completely sucked into the positive/treat reinforcement training for the dogs because everything else was abuse. Even though the trainers of those classes would say that they trained their dogs using standard methods before they knew of such a better way, and I didn't question the fact that no one ever left those classes with dogs who could be considered even passably well behaved.
Not related, but we left the shelter around the time that a couple relinquished a dog for having years of aggression issues. They had worked with the dog and contained the problem, but they were pregnant and knew the animal couldn't be trusted with the baby and that they couldn't provide for both the baby and a dog with those kinds of issues. They were obviously broken up about it, but the vile and vitriol that the staff and volunteers said about these people was insane. We didn't leave because of that, but I do think that started me back into normal life. Dh is still in the profession, and my sister manages a no-kill cat shelter, so we still have to balance it but I always think we're the oddballs in those groups. You can't take care of animals if you don't accept and deal with the flawed people behind them.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 26, 2017 12:55:11 GMT -5
I know a girl from HS who had to get rid of her dog once she (the girl) got pregnant. It had taken her and her DH a long time to conceive and that dog was like her baby for the longest time. Then she got pregnant and apparently the dog (female) started to become aggressive. She was VERY sad posting on facebook to see if someone could take her. I think someone did end up taking her, but I doubt she made that decision lightly. No matter how much someone loves animals, I don't think parents would put a pet above their child's safety. IMO anyone who thinks they should has issues.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 26, 2017 13:07:18 GMT -5
I know a girl from HS who had to get rid of her dog once she (the girl) got pregnant. It had taken her and her DH a long time to conceive and that dog was like her baby for the longest time. Then she got pregnant and apparently the dog (female) started to become aggressive. She was VERY sad posting on facebook to see if someone could take her. I think someone did end up taking her, but I doubt she made that decision lightly. No matter how much someone loves animals, I don't think parents would put a pet above their child's safety. IMO anyone who thinks they should has issues. Nobody is going to SAY they put their pet above their child's safety, nor are they going to actively think it. Those that do simply find a way to "wish away" the danger. "My dog would never harm the baby, because I've decided in my mind that it won't". Human beings are excellent at creating internal logic in order to support the things they want to do.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 26, 2017 13:30:39 GMT -5
If we had given Midnight free choice of food she would have ate herself to death. She literally did not know when to stop. DH did "free food" and she ballooned to 25 lbs overweight. I changed it to the recommended serving size on the bag, she got half at night and half in the morning. She slimmed back down to her ideal weight. I had no idea there were so many ways I sucked as a dog owner. She lived to be 13 years old and was in excellent health the entire time so I must have been doing something right. to all - I know dogs usually are fed once a day - cats 'graze' during the day.
I don't think you are bad dog owner if you crate your dog or don't offer food all day long.
I do feel sorry for dogs that spend 10 or more hours a day alone - in a crate. I know they sleep and wait... it just seems like a really long day for them - since dogs seem to actually WANT to spend ALOT of time with their people. Cats like to have people around too... but they don't seem to need the constant interaction that dogs need. A 'short work day' for me is 10 hours from the time I leave in the morning until I come home at night. A typical work day I'm gone 11 to 12 hours a day. I don't feel like I'm a good candidate to have a dog - I don't have any time for it. I always assumed a dog needed more than the 30 minutes to an hour of actual human interaction(petting/playing/brushing/actual interaction) per day... my cats seem pretty happy with that amount of time... they seem more concerned about their routine than with me being around. With my schedule I can't provide that kind of time for a dog.
This isn't a criticism... just my personal reason for not having a pup.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Sept 26, 2017 16:12:03 GMT -5
One of my childhood memories is when my parents' friends had their first and only child. Mom had postpartum depression really bad but I don't think it was called that then. Remember going to see the baby and all she talked about was how much she missed her dog while in hospital having baby. Back then, new moms were kept in hospital a few days.
Things didn't get better for mom and sweet baby so baby went to live at Grandma's house because mom was pretty much ignoring her and taking care of dog. Mom ended up hospitalized for therapy for a lengthy time. The therapy must have taken care of mom's issues because when she was released the dog was gone and baby back in the house.
Years later, daughter nursed both her mom and her husband when they both were dying of ALS. I don't know what she was ever told about the first year of her life but they did raise a fine woman.
Even at my young age, I remember asking my parents why did she only talk about the dog.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 27, 2017 9:03:20 GMT -5
I know a girl from HS who had to get rid of her dog once she (the girl) got pregnant. It had taken her and her DH a long time to conceive and that dog was like her baby for the longest time. Then she got pregnant and apparently the dog (female) started to become aggressive. She was VERY sad posting on facebook to see if someone could take her. I think someone did end up taking her, but I doubt she made that decision lightly. No matter how much someone loves animals, I don't think parents would put a pet above their child's safety. IMO anyone who thinks they should has issues. Nobody is going to SAY they put their pet above their child's safety, nor are they going to actively think it. Those that do simply find a way to "wish away" the danger. "My dog would never harm the baby, because I've decided in my mind that it won't". Human beings are excellent at creating internal logic in order to support the things they want to do. I love my dogs. Especially Jackson. He's my baby. But if he became aggressive and we couldn't get a grip on it with training and he was dangerous or could become dangerous, I would straight up rehome or euthanize him. And I adore this dog. But people and their safety come first. Maybe that makes me an asshole, but that's the way it is for me. I actually have a friend that's going through that right now. She's trying to find a home for her dog because she doesn't want her in a shelter and she's aggressive so she shouldn't be rehomed to just anybody. If she doesn't find her a new home, she'll be euthanized.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 27, 2017 9:09:41 GMT -5
We had a tense period where we thought we were going to have to rehome Midnight after Gwen was born. We did everything the books and trainers tell you to do to prepare a dog for a child and we started that LONG before we even considered having a kid. The problem is you don't really know until the child arrives and it's not like I can send the kid back to the hospital.
Fortunately with a lot of intense work on our parts while I was home on maternity leave she adjusted. Still she never really was a "kid" dog, we also worked with both girls on dog manners as soon as they were old enough to understand.
Sabah's form of protest was to pee all over the house. She destroyed the carpet in the sun room requiring it be ripped up. Our whole house smelled like dog piss. We had to go back to crating her during the day.
Would have been way less of a headache to rehome both of them but we didn't we stuck it out because we felt we owed it to the dogs. Yet I'm a crappy pet owner because we used crates. Okay.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 27, 2017 21:06:11 GMT -5
And then there were the Macy's previous owners who let their kid use her as a jungle gym and then returned her to the shelter when she had enough and bit the kid because she was so stressed. Just so long as they didn't use a crate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 21:38:19 GMT -5
Max has food out all day because he only eats when he's hungry. All dogs are different.
I think it's likely if there was going to be a baby/toddler around full time I'd have to rehome him too. At this point he is good with fair size groups and 6+ year olds, but babies/toddlers are just unpredictable and I would never relax, and I'm not sure that would be fair to anyone.
Thankfully we are not planning on baby/toddlers full time anytime soon!
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 27, 2017 21:44:49 GMT -5
I free feed the twins. I fill the bowls in the morning and they sit there untouched until evening. Come 8 or 9, they down most of the bowls. I did the same with my last dog. She would graze throughout the day. None of my dogs has been overweight. They've all been ideal weight.
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Post by justme on Sept 27, 2017 23:04:56 GMT -5
I used to feel a lot worse about people that created their dogs until I pet sat for my friend. After 9 hours in her crate and a walk to go to the bathroom she'd just pick a new place to go to sleep in. She'd just stare at me when I tried to get her to play like really bitch, can't you see I'm relaxing here. She often does the same thing to her mom 😂😂
If you have a high energy dog then I could see it being a bit more of an issue.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 28, 2017 8:27:02 GMT -5
I'm home today. I'm watching DWTS and the twins are.... Wait for it... Sleeping. Good thing they're not in crates.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Sept 28, 2017 14:55:44 GMT -5
I'm waiting to see these 'facts' and 'research' instead of opinions and self-righteousness.....
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