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Post by ed1066 on Mar 24, 2011 13:35:26 GMT -5
www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51840.htmlRep. Anthony Weiner said Wednesday he was looking into how a health law waiver might work for New York City. Weiner, who is likely to run for mayor of New York, said that because of the city’s special health care infrastructure, his office was looking into alternatives that might make more sense. Weiner is one of the health care law’s biggest supporters; during the debate leading up to reform, he was one of the last holdouts in Congress for the public option. “The president said, ‘If you have better ideas that can accomplish the same thing, go for it,’” said Weiner. “I’m in the process now of trying to see if we can take [President Barack Obama] up on it in the city of New York, … and I’m taking a look at all of the money we spend in Medicaid and Medicare and maybe New York City can come up with a better plan.” See link for the rest of the article...
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 24, 2011 13:48:17 GMT -5
Hey, the city people voted overwhelmingly for him in 2008. They should enjoy the fruits of their vote.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 24, 2011 13:52:43 GMT -5
I agree, I think any state that went for Obama in 2008 should be automatically denied a waiver for Obamacare. You broke it, you bought it...
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 24, 2011 13:53:23 GMT -5
Interesting dichotomy, ain't it? All these states, cities, labor unions...who overwhelmingly supported the pres during the election are opting out of the legislation that he and the dems campaigned on and promised the masses.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 24, 2011 13:56:05 GMT -5
Interesting dichotomy, ain't it? All these states, cities, labor unions...who overwhelmingly supported the pres during the election are opting out of the legislation that he and the dems campaigned on and promised the masses. I think they are finally figuring out that "robbing from the rich to give to the poor" isn't so attractive when you are one of the "rich"...
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 24, 2011 13:57:28 GMT -5
I think they are finally figuring out that "robbing from the rich to give to the poor" isn't so attractive when you are one of the "rich"...
NYC and the outter boroughs are also home to millions of low income wage earners.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 24, 2011 14:04:15 GMT -5
I think they are finally figuring out that "robbing from the rich to give to the poor" isn't so attractive when you are one of the "rich"... NYC and the outter boroughs are also home to millions of low income wage earners. CNBC had an interesting report today. I believe it was done by the Fed. If not them, it was another Government agency. Guess who was hurt the most in the economic collapse of 2008? They went back and reinterviewd something like 3,900 people out of 4,200 people originally interviewed. It was the very rich. Down a little over 19% in wealth value, due to stock, bonds and real estate prices. Who got hurt the least? The poor. They increased in value almost 10%. Since they do not own stock, bonds, or real estate, I wonder how they increased their wealth? Makes you think, doesn't it.
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 24, 2011 20:39:59 GMT -5
Interesting dichotomy, ain't it? All these states, cities, labor unions...who overwhelmingly supported the pres during the election are opting out of the legislation that he and the dems campaigned on and promised the masses. Not really- the bill sucks compared to what it could have been. I think the waiver is a great idea- the HCR bill sets the bar and allows the flexibility to come up with something better. It does pave the way for a state single payer program to work which VT and CA are considering. Speaking of single payer- it just passed the house in VT a little while ago: www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2011/03/24/vt_house_resumes_debate_on_health_care_bill/
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 24, 2011 20:45:01 GMT -5
"The measure now goes to the Senate, where it is expected to pass, but with some possible changes. Gov. Peter Shumlin, who made single-payer health care a centerpiece of his gubernatorial campaign last year, also praised the legislation. He said it would make Vermont "the first state in the country to make the first substantive step to deliver a health care system where health care will be a right and not a privilege, where health care will follow the individual, not be a requirement of the employer, and where we'll have an affordable system that contains costs."
"The bill outlines a four-year timeline leading to establishment of the statewide, publicly funded system. It begins by setting up the Green Mountain Care Board on July 1 with a budget of $1.2 million to begin planning the new system. It then creates a health insurance marketplace -- or "exchange," of the sort required by last year's federal health care legislation. And it then calls for converting the exchange to the Green Mountain Care system."
Way to go VT- the first step in the right direction!
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Post by joebanker on Mar 25, 2011 8:00:33 GMT -5
We need to repeal the healthcare hit on America that Obama the racist got the foolish liberals to pass. Our healthcare system is great and doesn't need to be changed. The only reason Obama the racist did this was to bankrupt America.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 25, 2011 8:18:02 GMT -5
I think they are finally figuring out that "robbing from the rich to give to the poor" isn't so attractive when you are one of the "rich"... NYC and the outter boroughs are also home to millions of low income wage earners. CNBC had an interesting report today. I believe it was done by the Fed. If not them, it was another Government agency. Guess who was hurt the most in the economic collapse of 2008? They went back and reinterviewd something like 3,900 people out of 4,200 people originally interviewed. It was the very rich. Down a little over 19% in wealth value, due to stock, bonds and real estate prices. Who got hurt the least? The poor. They increased in value almost 10%. Since they do not own stock, bonds, or real estate, I wonder how they increased their wealth? Makes you think, doesn't it. Does make you think. If I have wealth of $10,000,000 and it drops to $8,100,000, I have lost 19% of my wealth. If I have wealth of $1,000 and it increases to $1100, I have increased my wealth by 10%. Maybe they paid payments on their used car?
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 25, 2011 12:07:22 GMT -5
I think they are finally figuring out that "robbing from the rich to give to the poor" isn't so attractive when you are one of the "rich"... NYC and the outter boroughs are also home to millions of low income wage earners. CNBC had an interesting report today. I believe it was done by the Fed. If not them, it was another Government agency. Guess who was hurt the most in the economic collapse of 2008? They went back and reinterviewd something like 3,900 people out of 4,200 people originally interviewed. It was the very rich. Down a little over 19% in wealth value, due to stock, bonds and real estate prices. Who got hurt the least? The poor. They increased in value almost 10%. Since they do not own stock, bonds, or real estate, I wonder how they increased their wealth? Makes you think, doesn't it. Problem was you were watching CNBC
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 14:17:11 GMT -5
The congressman was trying to debunk Republican “myths” about the health care law during a speech at the Center for American Progress. He used the waivers as way to describe how flexible the law actually is and how “this notion that the government is shoving the bill down people’s throats” is not true.
“The administration needs to make this argument more forcefully,” he said. “A lot of people who got waivers were … people who are our friends.”
The New York Democrat said that he does not have the power to get the city to apply for a waiver but that he is “personally looking at whether he can make the numbers work.”
i.e.- Pubs are just the party of NO! It's their kind of bill, but they just want power back- dam* the good of the country...
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Post by Frappuccino on Mar 25, 2011 14:21:25 GMT -5
Who issues or approves the waivers? I think this could be a win-win. We keep Obamacare, but everyone gets a waiver. That way no one is stuck with Obamacare, but he can feel like he accomplished something.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 25, 2011 14:50:56 GMT -5
Who issues or approves the waivers? I think this could be a win-win. We keep Obamacare, but everyone gets a waiver. That way no one is stuck with Obamacare, but he can feel like he accomplished something. That is a cute way to think about it.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 25, 2011 14:56:05 GMT -5
This may or may not affect Obamacare and NYC's health care structure and deliver, but on tv this morning, I heard that the Census has indicated that NYC has lost allot of residents. FYI, NYC is composed of five boroughs. I did not hear the exact population loss relative to the last census, but Bloomberg and Rep Weiner both have their knuts in an uproar. This will mean loss of federal funds and possibly a seat in congress.
eta: this would make sense because Andrew Cuomo's tv ads are saying the State has lost 400,000 residents.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 25, 2011 15:01:11 GMT -5
Who issues or approves the waivers? I think this could be a win-win. We keep Obamacare, but everyone gets a waiver. That way no one is stuck with Obamacare, but he can feel like he accomplished something. lmao...perfect!
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Post by Angel! on Mar 25, 2011 15:15:54 GMT -5
Our healthcare system is great and doesn't need to be changed. JoeBanker Yeah, the healthcare system is great until your employer doesn't offer health insurance or you are unemployed & you have health issues so no one will sell you insurance. It is a great system, until you fall through the cracks & can't get insurance.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 25, 2011 15:18:58 GMT -5
Yeah, the healthcare system is great until your employer doesn't offer health insurance or you are unemployed & you have health issues so no one will sell you insurance.
It is a great system, until you fall through the cracks & can't get insurance.
It is a great system. One can easily go to their primary care physician if they need med attention.
What you have problems with is govt run and paid for health care.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 15:21:13 GMT -5
NYC gained population. Upstate lost. TY!
NHC is the best thing that's happened ever. You are misled by evil greedy stupid people. TYVM ;D
Pelosi was right. You'll get it when it's implemented, especially with all the misinformation and fear mongering around. It IS very complicated.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 25, 2011 15:28:19 GMT -5
NYC gained population. Upstate lost. TY!
Anthony Weiner(9th district) and NYC Mayor Bloomberg are complaining that the census shows nyc has lost population.
NHC is the best thing that's happened ever. You are misled by evil greedy stupid people. TYVM
If is is the best thing since slice bread, why then are special interests exempt?
Pelosi was right. You'll get it when it's implemented, especially with all the misinformation and fear mongering around. It IS very complicated.
Fear mongering is being done by Pelosi and the radical left. None of this disaster is even funded.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 15:32:41 GMT -5
"It is a great system"
No. it's ridiculously over priced, is ruining the economy, incredibly cruel and unfair, and they even used to be able to blackball you. You're whistling past the graveyard, literally.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 15:40:36 GMT -5
Nobody's exempt when it start's, except people who have better plans than NHC. McD's and others pure crap mini plans are exempt because they're at least something...
Listen. The point is, this is why we have representative gov't. NONE of us understand it all- but Dems ARE TRYING to do the right thing, and it's a modified Pub plan that pubs are sabotaging for purely political gain. It may not be perfect, but it's a framework for perfecting.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 25, 2011 15:43:40 GMT -5
Nobody's exempt when it start's, except people who have better plans than NHC. McD's and others pure crap mini plans are exempt because they're at least something...
Unions, some states, etc. , have received waivers.
Listen. The point is, this is why we have representative gov't. NONE of us understand it all- but Dems ARE TRYING to do the right thing, and it's a modified Pub plan that pubs are sabotaging for purely political gain. It may not be perfect, but it's a framework for perfecting.
The right thing is what? The last time the dem congress did the right thing was when they passed the Credit legilsation two years ago and sent the credit markets into complete chaos. People lost lines of credit, heloc's were reduced or called, etc. Govt paid for, sponsored, call it what you want, health care will create a sky rocketing cost structure. There is very little positive in this law.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 15:49:26 GMT -5
That you know of...It's been skyrocketing for years, doubled under W Bush fcs... Blaming Dem regs for the credit disaster is crazy. Bless you. Later much
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Post by Angel! on Mar 25, 2011 15:59:02 GMT -5
People with diabetes, MS, cancer, asthma, & dozens of other long-term, potentially debilitating diseases won't get adequate treatment from just seeing a primary care physician. They need to see specialists & be on regular medications or a treatment plan. That stuff is too expensive for an uninsured person & due to the current system once you have a diagnosis, then you aren't likely to be able to pick up individual insurance.
How is that a great system?
It is only a great system until you fall through the cracks.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 25, 2011 16:03:01 GMT -5
Helocs were getting reduced because the housing market crashed & there was no longer collaterol for the loans. Mine was frozen long before the credit legislation.
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Post by marshabar1 on Mar 25, 2011 16:12:47 GMT -5
States already have high risk pools for people with pre-existing conditions.
Our present system would be a lot better if people would take the time to review and dispute their medical bills. I often find "mistakes," I always dispute "mistakes," I always get the bill lowered. There've been two instances where hospitals reviewed their procedures because of these disputes. There are too many tired or lazy hands and minds in the industry.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 16:54:36 GMT -5
Unions received waivers because they have cadillac plans aprroved past 2014. The waiver means they won't be taxed on cadillac coverage and will have till 2018 to get them within guide lines.- google health reform, cost contols
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