Gov. Christie's Educational Cuts Unconstitutional?

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

"Judge Rules N.J. Governor Christie's Education Cuts Unconstitutional"

The state’s public school districts did not receive enough state aid this year to give students the required “thorough and efficient” education, a state Superior Court judge said. In the decision, Judge Peter E. Doyne stressed he was not charged with addressing the state’s economic challenges. Gov. Chris Christie’s spokesman issued a statement calling on the Supreme Court to abandon the belief that more money equals a better education.

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www.governing.com/news/state/Judge-Rules-NJ-Governor-Christies-Education-Cuts-Unconstitutional.html

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

The state does not have the money. The gov's spokesperson is on target.
No doubt this was brought to court by the NJEA.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

WARNING TO CONSERVATIVES WHO FAVOR A BALANCED BUDGET AMMENDMENT: If we ever get one, we will have black robed gangsters ordering tax increases. That's how this ends for NJ. Oh, you don't have the money? You are hereby ORDERED TO RAISE TAXES. You wait. I'm rarely wrong in my cynical estimation of how government ultimately works.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Elections are a huge threat to the far left. That's why they've set it all up to circumvent elections when they lose. Even when we win at the ballot box, we still lose.

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Typical judicial abuse... rulings such as this and the Mount Laurel Housing ruling are reasons why NJ is in the shape it is in.

[workpublic]

it's a jersey thing

[floridayankee]

Typical judicial abuse... rulings such as this and the Mount Laurel Housing ruling are reasons why NJ is in the shape it is in.

I think it's great that Jersey allows the mentally challenged to become Superior Court judges.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 24, 2011 11:01:15 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Typical judicial abuse... rulings such as this and the Mount Laurel Housing ruling are reasons why NJ is in the shape it is in.

I think it's great that Jersey allows the mentally challenged to become Superior Court judges.

It is very inclusive, and tolerant. It explains why there will always be liberals in public life.

[handyman2]

I never knew that this was an issue that would be determined by a judge. Seems like overreach to me.

[Deleted]

If the state has no money... then they state should abondon its mandates... Local school districts should not have to abide by state mandates, like testing... if there is no money to pay for it... if the state is not ponying up the $$... then local districts should have absolute control...

I would think.....

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 24, 2011 12:38:00 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

I never knew that this was an issue that would be determined by a judge. Seems like overreach to me.

It's not. It is. But it wouldn't be the first time judicial activism stands.

NJ probably spends more, but back in IL the number was between $7,000 and $19,800 per student depending on the grade and the district. Let's say there are 15 kids in a classroom- there are likely more, but let's say 15. That comes to between $105,000 and $297,000 per classroom.

You gonna tell me you can't educate kids for 181 days for $105K per classroom?

Taxpayers know it's bullsh** and that's why the party is O V E R!

[Deleted]

And probably depending on special needs.

And that includes transportation, which is increased dramatically, and other stuff as well.. (like testing!)... It would be interesting to see a breakdown controling for those factors though...

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

I never knew that this was an issue that would be determined by a judge

If you supposedly break the law, who else would you appear in front of?

Typical judicial abuse

Proof? or is that your macro when you see a judge is involved?

Oh, you don't have the money? You are hereby ORDERED TO RAISE TAXES.

So you admit then that all these tax breaks really don't help the economy then?

That's why they've set it all up to circumvent elections when they lose.

Such as?

the state has no money...

Christie Study Terms N.J. Tax Break a Dud
www.marketwatch.com/story/christie-study-terms-nj-tax-break-a-dud-2011-02-24

Gov. Christie's budget to include $200M in business tax cuts
www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/02/gov_christies_budget_to_includ.html

If you're in such a budget crisis, it's probably best to spend less and take in more. Any Conservative that doesn't agree can forgo their pay raises.

[rovo]

The Supreme Court of NJ has been over reaching for years in my opinion. Forcing towns to approve low cost homes and telling them how many of these low cost homes they must have, forcing the State to spend more money for schools in the inner cities.

The upside is the Supreme Court Judges do not automatically serve for life. They are appointed by the Governor and approved by the legislator for a term of 7 years. After the initial 7 year term they may be replaced or tenured for life. The tenure function has been more common than not.

Christie is trying to change the way the court works in that he has NOT reappointed a judge whose term has expired. He has put up another name for nomination but the Legislature has failed to approve. Hence, an open position on the court. Another Judge comes up for review in September 2011. This particular judge, Rivera-Soto, is a pain in the ass and may resign or be impeached before the expiration of his term. The upside is that Christie will have these two positions to fill with judges more attune to the current trends in NJ.

[handyman2]

Mkitty: This is a state budget issue not a constitutional issue. Budgets are the perview of the elected officials not a judge. The judge I would think should have refused to review the suit.

[Shirina]

Elections are a huge threat to the far left.

Then perhaps you can explain to me why I've seen on this very board conservatives and so-called libertarians discussing ways to keep the right to vote out of the hands of the poor, disenfranchised, or liberals?

I've seen little schemes like only allowing landholders to vote (will renters have to address homeowners as "my lord" or "my liege," I wonder?). Or another idea saying that the number of votes one receives should depend on your income. Another conservative on the old US News board suggested a $3000 poll tax.

There was even a thread that discussed the benefits of having a massive die-off of voters so only the most intelligent (read: conservatives) would be around to vote. At least they had enough restraint not to wish for a genocide of liberals and/or the poor, but a nice asteroid would do the world some good.

Now, before anyone starts asking me to prove that these things were said, I'll be honest: I can't. I don't collect message board quotes to repost months (or even years later) just to win a debate. But rest assured, they were said, and some of the older members might recall those discussions (they were on the MSN money boards, not the proBoards version).

You, yourself, PBP, may not have said those things, but it still does not change the fact that elections seem to be more of an affront to the far right - or, at the very least, equally threatening to them as they are to the far left.

That's why they've set it all up to circumvent elections when they lose. Even when we win at the ballot box, we still lose.

So ... is this why conservatives always want anti-abortion and anti-gay rights SCJs appointed to the bench? Perhaps this is more a lesson in sour grapes than any real anger over election circumvention.

For awhile there, conservatives were really getting their hopes up of overturning Roe v. Wade.

[ugonow]

Quote:Elections are a huge threat to the far left.



Then perhaps you can explain to me why I've seen on this very board conservatives and so-called libertarians discussing ways to keep the right to vote out of the hands of the poor, disenfranchised, or liberals?

I don't think it is the left behind the movement to repeal the 17th amendment,either....

[reasonfreedom]

Can somebody explain how this is unconstitutional to me? The link didn't work for me.

[billisonboard]

Mar 26, 2011 8:20:16 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Can somebody explain how this is unconstitutional to me? The link didn't work for me.

Well, here is the section from the New Jersey Constitution"

SECTION IV
1. The Legislature shall provide for the maintenance and support of a thorough and efficient system of free public schools for the instruction of all the children in the State between the ages of five and eighteen years.
www.njleg.state.nj.us/lawsconstitution/constitution.asp

And here is something from the article in the OP:

He said his orders from the (State) Supreme Court were only to determine whether the current level of funding — using the School Funding Reform Act formula — can permit school districts to meet the constitutional mandate for a “thorough and efficient” education. Doyne held hearings in February and wrote in the decision that, given the evidence presented, the answer can only be no.

So the state legislature passed an act that included a formula to show what the state needed to come up with for funding to cover the constitutional mandate and then the amount allocated failed to provide that funding.

[Mad Dawg Wiccan]

Mar 24, 2011 11:01:15 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Typical judicial abuse... rulings such as this and the Mount Laurel Housing ruling are reasons why NJ is in the shape it is in.

I think it's great that Jersey allows the mentally challenged to become Superior Court judges.

Here in CA they get elected Governor.

[ed1066]

disenfranchised

I love that term "disenfranchised"! It's liberal code for illegal aliens, felons and other Democrat "target demographics"...

[Shirina]

I love that term "disenfranchised"! It's liberal code for illegal aliens, felons and other Democrat "target demographics"...

LOL @ "liberal code."

Sure, ed. And right now, I'm talking to my liberal co-conspirators via my Dick Tracey decoder ring. I just hate this trench coat we nefarious spy-types have to wear. It's bloody hot in the summer.

Wait, incoming coded message. John has a long mustache. Repeat. John has a long mustache.

The chair is against the wall. Repeat. The chair is against the wall.

Message received and understood, central command. I'll inform Agent X and Racer X (who is secretly Speed's long lost brother) right away.

Oh, damn, ed, you weren't supposed to see that.

[ed1066]

Mar 26, 2011 19:19:25 GMT -5 Shirina said:

I love that term "disenfranchised"! It's liberal code for illegal aliens, felons and other Democrat "target demographics"...

LOL @ "liberal code."

Sure, ed. And right now, I'm talking to my liberal co-conspirators via my Dick Tracey decoder ring. I just hate this trench coat we nefarious spy-types have to wear. It's bloody hot in the summer.

Wait, incoming coded message. John has a long mustache. Repeat. John has a long mustache.

The chair is against the wall. Repeat. The chair is against the wall.

Message received and understood, central command. I'll inform Agent X and Racer X (who is secretly Speed's long lost brother) right away.

Oh, damn, ed, you weren't supposed to see that.

The lady doth protest too much...