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Post by WholeLottaNothin on May 5, 2017 13:51:16 GMT -5
I love how her survival mode is my every day life
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 5, 2017 13:55:18 GMT -5
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Post by Anne_in_VA on May 5, 2017 14:08:55 GMT -5
She is seriously out of touch with how most people live
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 5, 2017 14:22:23 GMT -5
I love how her survival mode is my every day life yep. same here.
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Post by quince on May 5, 2017 14:26:09 GMT -5
How to succeed as ANYONE is to have started out already winning.
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Post by swamp on May 5, 2017 14:26:27 GMT -5
Her survival mode is an easy day in my life.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 5, 2017 14:39:26 GMT -5
Hell. I never stood a chance → because I suck. My positive thinking failed me in my mother's womb. If only I had the passion at that time I would also have been born with a whole gold flatware service for 8 in my mouth. And speaking of passion there is this: "She credits her dad, who inherited a fortune of his own, in teaching her the lesson that “if you love what you do, and work really, really hard, you will succeed.”
She is passionate about not using any distracting phrases in her write-up, such as multiple bankruptcies for daddy-o, stiffing his contractors, borderline illegal behavior as with his "university", and the little side problem of being a miserable predator as proven by his own words. Words that the whole world got to hear last year and which I, for one, WILL NOT FORGET!
People the moral of this post is that I will never succeed as a woman since I have done everything I possibly could wrong all my life and I am proud of it
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 5, 2017 14:42:37 GMT -5
You know you are all proving Ivanka right don't you? Instead of following her shining example you're all on here tearing her down. You are all just jealous that do you do not have half the drive and success she does. The only reason this upsets you is because you are all liberals who hate anything to do with Trump. Now discuss.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 5, 2017 14:46:21 GMT -5
You know you are all proving Ivanka right don't you? Instead of following her shining example you're all on here tearing her down. You are all just jealous that do you do not have half the drive and success she does. The only reason this upsets you is because you are all liberals who hate anything to do with Trump. Now discuss. whatareyoutalkin'bout? I praised her positive thinking to high heaven (how else did she start out so much better than I did). and I praised her concise, if somewhat selective and abbreviated, writing style. Hell, I even admitted that I (proudly) suck! What more do you want woman?
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Post by emma1420 on May 5, 2017 15:55:59 GMT -5
More evidence that the quote, "when people show who they are believe them", works for almost everyone.
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 5, 2017 18:09:23 GMT -5
The lack of self awareness is astounding. Is it though? Considering the source, it doesn't surprise me.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 5, 2017 18:26:22 GMT -5
Yes, she lives in a different world and yes, her life seems so much easier, and you guys are all forming your opinions on someone else's opinion of the book, not even the actual book.
There are plenty of kids/people who grew up like she did that ended up on drugs, partying their life away and spending parents' money. At least she is actually working and doing something and so far has a stable marriage and seems to be involved with her kids.
So what that she is rich and goes to galas and not garage sales. Her opinions are based on her experiences. Taylor it to your own life or ignore it - but why bash her?
This whole women judging women goes both ways.
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 5, 2017 18:30:20 GMT -5
I have zero qualms with Ivanka Trump and what she has accomplished. I agree that many of her peers are probably not as successful as she is. I just think if you want to give advice to regular women, you need to keep in mind what regular women have access to.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 5, 2017 19:58:16 GMT -5
I have zero qualms with Ivanka Trump and what she has accomplished. I agree that many of her peers are probably not as successful as she is. I just think if you want to give advice to regular women, you need to keep in mind what regular women have access to.That's true, but l am a firm believer in the corny statement that everyone can teach you at least one thing. So if we can't do things at her level - we can still do something. I remember reading Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. There was a chapter about building your team. Surrounding yourself with successful people in their own field and relying on their expertise, etc. I just graduated college, I knew NO ONE in any field, I've only been in this country for short while and "building my team" sounded as foreign as an invitation to the Buckingham Palace. But what it did do is give me an idea of looking for people who were great at what they were doing and learning from them. And I glued myself to one of my managers who was exceptional and learned so so much from her that it served me very well in my future career. Bashing Ivanka (without even reading her book) just seems very petty and judgemental.
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 5, 2017 20:55:51 GMT -5
I have zero qualms with Ivanka Trump and what she has accomplished. I agree that many of her peers are probably not as successful as she is. I just think if you want to give advice to regular women, you need to keep in mind what regular women have access to.That's true, but l am a firm believer in the corny statement that everyone can teach you at least one thing. So if we can't do things at her level - we can still do something. I remember reading Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. There was a chapter about building your team. Surrounding yourself with successful people in their own field and relying on their expertise, etc. I just graduated college, I knew NO ONE in any field, I've only been in this country for short while and "building my team" sounded as foreign as an invitation to the Buckingham Palace. But what it did do is give me an idea of looking for people who were great at what they were doing and learning from them. And I glued myself to one of my managers who was exceptional and learned so so much from her that it served me very well in my future career. I agree with all of this. I'm sure the author of the post does too, but snark gets views. Is it petty? Maybe. But maybe despite the humor and tongue-in-cheek, people can take their version of her advice to heart.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 6, 2017 5:23:19 GMT -5
I have zero qualms with Ivanka Trump and what she has accomplished. I agree that many of her peers are probably not as successful as she is. I just think if you want to give advice to regular women, you need to keep in mind what regular women have access to. I didn't read her book so I'm only going by that review, but other than it coming from a Trump I'm not sure what is so bad about it. I do think that working moms need "me time" to unwind and find themselves. I do schedule regaulre massages to help with that. And get between me and my mani/pedis and I will cut you As for the advice on building a network, she thinks how successful people think. I remember the CEO of my old firm telling our class during orientation, that from this point forward we all had choices to make and each choice affects our future. He told us before spending time with friends to assess where spending time with those people will get us. He recommended ditching friend that can't help with your career in favor of those that could. He was a shining example of that. He was raised in poverty and became very successful. His circle of friends were all the movers and the shakers
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Post by giramomma on May 6, 2017 8:05:49 GMT -5
I have zero qualms with Ivanka Trump and what she has accomplished. I agree that many of her peers are probably not as successful as she is. I just think if you want to give advice to regular women, you need to keep in mind what regular women have access to.One summer, I went to a camp in a very upscale, gated community. To earn petty money, I baby sat on Sundays. The family I babysat for had like 5 kids..the parents were business owners and also came from money. You might ask yourself, why only sit on Sundays? Because they had a live in nanny M-Saturday, and I was the nanny's relief on Sundays. Generally the parents were gone all day Sunday. I don't think they worked. I'm presuming that they were nurturing themselves/their marriage. I assume they attended to their business M-F. I didn't ask, but I'm also assuming business owners cannot just leave their business to others to run 3 months out of the year. One particular Sunday, the parents came home early, and were helping me clean up after I made the kids dinner. The mom said to me "It's so hard parenting 5 kids.." I had a hard time with that statement. I really, really did. I did give her a benefit of the doubt. I was young and much more naive then. At my kids' school, it's fairly common to hear people complain about not being able to spend as much time on their lake "cabin." DH and I chuckle, because I don't think they realize how they come off. I mean, if I had over a million in real estate assets alone (in a MCOLA), I probably would think twice before complaining. Don't get me wrong, I know these people work super hard, and have high level jobs. I don't begrudge them enjoying the fruits of their labor. I'd expect them to have a lifestyle that matches the income. But, I would have enough tact to think about the socio-economic status of those I was conversing with. When I taught my kids that didn't often did not get to have three meals a day, I'd never dream of saying "We're having a really bad vacation year. Instead of three week family vacation, we can only take a 8-10 day one. "
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Post by 973beachbum on May 6, 2017 8:07:29 GMT -5
There are no good reviews of this book. I went through a few pages on google and they all hated it. I guess this was the nicest about it. But they didn't like it either. www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526580960/many-working-women-wont-see-themselves-in-women-who-workThere was another thread where the differences between middle class and rich are and I think this is one of them. Having ME time isn't bad and I'm glad so many here can afford the time and money but that isn't part of the vast majority of our lives in the real world. I don't have time doing everything I already have to do to do that and this is from someone who believes very strongly in meditation and positive thinking. I just can't seem to think my way into finding someone to pay to drive my kids around, among other things, for me so I can have some me time without actually paying them. And this is just one thing that is completely not in a middle class life.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 6, 2017 8:38:05 GMT -5
I have zero qualms with Ivanka Trump and what she has accomplished. I agree that many of her peers are probably not as successful as she is. I just think if you want to give advice to regular women, you need to keep in mind what regular women have access to.One summer, I went to a camp in a very upscale, gated community. To earn petty money, I baby sat on Sundays. The family I babysat for had like 5 kids..the parents were business owners and also came from money. You might ask yourself, why only sit on Sundays? Because they had a live in nanny M-Saturday, and I was the nanny's relief on Sundays. Generally the parents were gone all day Sunday. I don't think they worked. I'm presuming that they were nurturing themselves/their marriage. I assume they attended to their business M-F. I didn't ask, but I'm also assuming business owners cannot just leave their business to others to run 3 months out of the year. One particular Sunday, the parents came home early, and were helping me clean up after I made the kids dinner. The mom said to me "It's so hard parenting 5 kids.." I had a hard time with that statement. I really, really did. I did give her a benefit of the doubt. I was young and much more naive then. At my kids' school, it's fairly common to hear people complain about not being able to spend as much time on their lake "cabin." DH and I chuckle, because I don't think they realize how they come off. I mean, if I had over a million in real estate assets alone (in a MCOLA), I probably would think twice before complaining. Don't get me wrong, I know these people work super hard, and have high level jobs. I don't begrudge them enjoying the fruits of their labor. I'd expect them to have a lifestyle that matches the income. But, I would have enough tact to think about the socio-economic status of those I was conversing with. When I taught my kids that didn't often did not get to have three meals a day, I'd never dream of saying "We're having a really bad vacation year. Instead of three week family vacation, we can only take a 8-10 day one. " You don't have to be rich to have little or no tact. My MIL told me that I don't understand her daughter's trials and tribulations bc "I have it easy". Yep, coming to US with nothing, working 3 jobs at a time, putting myself through school - easy peasy I think people in general are not able to see outside of their own environment, their own experience and relate things to their own scale.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 6, 2017 8:45:01 GMT -5
There are no good reviews of this book. I went through a few pages on google and they all hated it. I guess this was the nicest about it. But they didn't like it either. www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526580960/many-working-women-wont-see-themselves-in-women-who-workThere was another thread where the differences between middle class and rich are and I think this is one of them. Having ME time isn't bad and I'm glad so many here can afford the time and money but that isn't part of the vast majority of our lives in the real world. I don't have time doing everything I already have to do to do that and this is from someone who believes very strongly in meditation and positive thinking. I just can't seem to think my way into finding someone to pay to drive my kids around, among other things, for me so I can have some me time without actually paying them. And this is just one thing that is completely not in a middle class life. When my husband was working out of state, I was home with 3 little kids 4-5 days a week. My mom kept telling me that I need to hire someone to help. I couldn't bring myself to pay someone money to do anything that I was suppose to be doing since I was already not working and not making money. I just couldn't. But quite a few moms in my homeschooling groups have /had "mother's helpers". So, they were SAHMs who had someone come in for a few hours every week to help. None of them are wealthy and by listening to their conversations I don't think they are even middle class. And yet, they had "help" while being SAHM. *I* couldn't do it, but may be I should have. May be I should have taken a few hours each week to do something that I wanted, to simply clear my head. But I felt too guilty spending the money. I don't know if my way was better or smarter....
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 6, 2017 8:49:13 GMT -5
There is a huge difference between hiring a helper for a few hours a week and hiring someone to basically raise your kids for you.
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Post by giramomma on May 6, 2017 9:02:46 GMT -5
I also try to give a pass at women who are relatively young and naive.
The reality is Ivanka's children are young. There's daycare. There's not managing how to get 3 kids in 4-5 different places in a span of 2 hours. She isn't managing parent teacher conferences, school plays, mother's day teas, poetry readings, while working. She's not managing homework on top of all of that.
Her marriage is still relatively young.
She's probably not encountered a situation, yet, where money can't fix problems. Or where the solution is not simple.
I remember being that young, and naive...thinking that problems could be solved so easily. (Like her wanting free daycare for everyone. Boom! High daycare expense problem solved.)
Something is going to happen to her and money won't be able to fix it. Neither will anything that she espouses in her book.
(I'm thinking about a trial baby-sitter we had. She lost her daughter less than a year after a cancer diagnosis. The kid was 10ish. A fair amount of people had fundraisers, and they raised enough to try experiment treatment abroad. Ultimately, the child still died.)
(I also don't wish for anything like that to happen, or for her husband to step out of the marriage if that's not something they've agreed to, or any number of crappy things that can happen.)
And she will be humbled. And she'll understand how naive she once was.
And then she'll write another book.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 6, 2017 9:43:01 GMT -5
There is a huge difference between hiring a helper for a few hours a week and hiring someone to basically raise your kids for you. You missing my point. It's not about number of hours or $$. It's about that everyone makes their own decision based on what they consider right. And while we don't want to be judged by others we feel perfectly fine judging everyone else.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 6, 2017 10:27:26 GMT -5
You know you are all proving Ivanka right don't you? Instead of following her shining example you're all on here tearing her down. You are all just jealous that do you do not have half the drive and success she does. The only reason this upsets you is because you are all liberals who hate anything to do with Trump. Now discuss. I will point out,,,,, Just because you may have money, Does not mean you are happy!! Even if you were to make a lot of money, If you were unhappy before you made the money, you will still be unhappy after! Some of the happiest people I know, don't have a dime, Some of the meanest that I know have the most money!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 6, 2017 10:35:39 GMT -5
If this a same book had been written by Chelsea Clinton your comments would have been??
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Post by emma1420 on May 6, 2017 11:04:19 GMT -5
I also try to give a pass at women who are relatively young and naive. The reality is Ivanka's children are young. There's daycare. There's not managing how to get 3 kids in 4-5 different places in a span of 2 hours. She isn't managing parent teacher conferences, school plays, mother's day teas, poetry readings, while working. She's not managing homework on top of all of that. Her marriage is still relatively young. She's probably not encountered a situation, yet, where money can't fix problems. Or where the solution is not simple. I remember being that young, and naive...thinking that problems could be solved so easily. (Like her wanting free daycare for everyone. Boom! High daycare expense problem solved.) Something is going to happen to her and money won't be able to fix it. Neither will anything that she espouses in her book. (I'm thinking about a trial baby-sitter we had. She lost her daughter less than a year after a cancer diagnosis. The kid was 10ish. A fair amount of people had fundraisers, and they raised enough to try experiment treatment abroad. Ultimately, the child still died.) (I also don't wish for anything like that to happen, or for her husband to step out of the marriage if that's not something they've agreed to, or any number of crappy things that can happen.) And she will be humbled. And she'll understand how naive she once was. And then she'll write another book. That's what happened to Sheryl Sandburg who wrote Lean In. A book that had a ton of great information and really advocated women for standing up for themselves, but failed to recognize that some women have struggles that make her suggestions impossible. Sheryl Sandberg's husband died, and suddenly she recognized her own privilege. I admire her tremendously for being so frank about that lack of recognition now. I am sure that Ivanka's book is well intended. I just don't think she can relate to most working women. And judging by the examples she uses in her book, she hasn't even tried. The idea of networking is a good one. Discussing meeting with high end designers before starting her own fashion line isn't a helpful to many women who have a tough time getting connected to leaders in their own community. So I think the book has good intentions, it's just tone deaf to what most women are dealing with.
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Post by swamp on May 6, 2017 12:02:45 GMT -5
If this a same book had been written by Chelsea Clinton your comments would have been?? The same. Cluelessness is not relegated to one party.
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