Attention Canadian posters. Be afraid. Very afraid.

[weltschmerz]

Great. Just great. Looks like most of the Somalis jumping the border aren't vaccinated.

MINNEAPOLIS — The young mother started getting advice early on from friends in the close-knit Somali immigrant community here. Don’t let your children get the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella — it causes autism, they said.

Suaado Salah listened. And this spring, her 3-year-old boy and 18-month-old girl contracted measles in Minnesota’s largest outbreak of the highly infectious and potentially deadly disease in nearly three decades. Her daughter, who had a rash, high fever and a cough, was hospitalized for four nights and needed intravenous fluids and oxygen.

“I thought: ‘I’m in America. I thought I’m in a safe place and my kids will never get sick in that disease,’ ” said Salah, 26, who has lived in Minnesota for more than a decade. Growing up in Somalia, she’d had measles as a child. A sister died of the disease at age 3.

www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/anti-vaccine-activists-spark-a-state%E2%80%99s-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades/ar-BBAMEKa?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp

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May 5, 2017 14:22:02 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Great. Just great. Looks like most of the Somalis jumping the border aren't vaccinated.

MINNEAPOLIS — The young mother started getting advice early on from friends in the close-knit Somali immigrant community here. Don’t let your children get the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella — it causes autism, they said.

Suaado Salah listened. And this spring, her 3-year-old boy and 18-month-old girl contracted measles in Minnesota’s largest outbreak of the highly infectious and potentially deadly disease in nearly three decades. Her daughter, who had a rash, high fever and a cough, was hospitalized for four nights and needed intravenous fluids and oxygen.

“I thought: ‘I’m in America. I thought I’m in a safe place and my kids will never get sick in that disease,’ ” said Salah, 26, who has lived in Minnesota for more than a decade. Growing up in Somalia, she’d had measles as a child. A sister died of the disease at age 3.

www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/anti-vaccine-activists-spark-a-state%E2%80%99s-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades/ar-BBAMEKa?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp

Shocker.

Someone comes to the "safe place with the vaccine, so their children won't get the disease", and then complains that their kid gets the disease because they wouldn't let their kid be given the vaccine.

[Virgil Showlion]

My sister and I were both vaccinated for the Chicken Pox but still contracted it. My sister also got the mumps despite being vaccinated. Like all viruses, there are numerous strains and the vaccinations only target the most common ones.

I doubt the diseases will ever truly go away.

I can't say how delighted I am to hear that brand new strains are immigrating every day, though.

[Opti]

May 5, 2017 14:22:02 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Great. Just great. Looks like most of the Somalis jumping the border aren't vaccinated.

MINNEAPOLIS — The young mother started getting advice early on from friends in the close-knit Somali immigrant community here. Don’t let your children get the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella — it causes autism, they said.

Suaado Salah listened. And this spring, her 3-year-old boy and 18-month-old girl contracted measles in Minnesota’s largest outbreak of the highly infectious and potentially deadly disease in nearly three decades. Her daughter, who had a rash, high fever and a cough, was hospitalized for four nights and needed intravenous fluids and oxygen.

“I thought: ‘I’m in America. I thought I’m in a safe place and my kids will never get sick in that disease,’ ” said Salah, 26, who has lived in Minnesota for more than a decade. Growing up in Somalia, she’d had measles as a child. A sister died of the disease at age 3.

www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/anti-vaccine-activists-spark-a-state%E2%80%99s-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades/ar-BBAMEKa?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp

Some people have to learn the hard way who not to listen to. Its sad that it is her children that are suffering more than she is.

[Deleted]

May 5, 2017 20:42:37 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

My sister and I were both vaccinated for the Chicken Pox but still contracted it. My sister also got the mumps despite being vaccinated. Like all viruses, there are numerous strains and the vaccinations only target the most common ones.

I doubt the diseases will ever truly go away.

I can't say how delighted I am to hear that brand new strains are immigrating every day, though.

While it's possible her child might have gotten sick even with the vaccine, she has no right to complain if she didn't allow a chance to the vaccine to do it's job.

It's like complaining about the President if you didn't bother to vote. If you didn't vote, shut the hell up and take what you agreed to accept by NOT voting.

[weltschmerz]

So many unnecessary deaths. Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy should be charged with manslaughter.

[Miss Tequila]

May 4, 2017 21:32:55 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 4, 2017 19:33:09 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

You also have every right to walk up to a cop ticketing your car and call him or her an "egotistical bigoted pig fascist, representative of a dictatorial government police state bent on world domination"... but I wouldn't recommend it.

Just because you have a legal right, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Understood. You don't think foreigners should comment.
We have the legal right, but it's not the right thing to do, despite the fact that YOUR politics affect US in a very negative way.

You constantly complain about our healthcare system. How exactly do our healthcare policies affect Canada?

[weltschmerz]

May 6, 2017 5:32:39 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

May 4, 2017 21:32:55 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Understood. You don't think foreigners should comment.
We have the legal right, but it's not the right thing to do, despite the fact that YOUR politics affect US in a very negative way.

You constantly complain about our healthcare system. How exactly do our healthcare policies affect Canada?

It certainly affects my friends and family in the US.
When they call and email me with their healthcare fears and concerns, I guess the proper response would be "Stop bothering me with this...I'm Canadian!'

[mmhmm]

May 5, 2017 20:42:37 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

My sister and I were both vaccinated for the Chicken Pox but still contracted it. My sister also got the mumps despite being vaccinated. Like all viruses, there are numerous strains and the vaccinations only target the most common ones.

I doubt the diseases will ever truly go away.

I can't say how delighted I am to hear that brand new strains are immigrating every day, though.

It's not all that unusual for someone to get chicken pox even though vaccinated. The vaccine against chicken pox isn't as effective as the measles vaccine. The vaccination against mumps isn't either. However, both will reduce the severity of the viral diseases if they are contracted. Additionally, the mumps vaccine should be given twice - once at about a year old and again at about five. The efficacy of any vaccine will reduce somewhat with age.

Just good things to know.

[Phoenix84]

Even if nothing comes of the Trump's proposed wall (which, let's be honest, nothing probably will become of it), Trump's talking tough in illegal immigration has had the positive effect of reducing illegal border crossing and illegal immigrants to selectively deport themselves.

A win in my book.

[Tennesseer]

May 6, 2017 12:43:46 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

May 5, 2017 20:42:37 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

My sister and I were both vaccinated for the Chicken Pox but still contracted it. My sister also got the mumps despite being vaccinated. Like all viruses, there are numerous strains and the vaccinations only target the most common ones.

I doubt the diseases will ever truly go away.

I can't say how delighted I am to hear that brand new strains are immigrating every day, though.

It's not all that unusual for someone to get chicken pox even though vaccinated. The vaccine against chicken pox isn't as effective as the measles vaccine. The vaccination against mumps isn't either. However, both will reduce the severity of the viral diseases if they are contracted. Additionally, the mumps vaccine should be given twice - once at about a year old and again at about five. The efficacy of any vaccine will reduce somewhat with age.

Just good things to know.

And if you were 'lucky' enough to contract chicken pox as a kid, you can look forward to possibly having an occasional outbreak of shingles as an older adult. Best to get the shingles vaccine when you are say over 50 just to be safe.

[Virgil Showlion]

May 6, 2017 12:43:46 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

May 5, 2017 20:42:37 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

My sister and I were both vaccinated for the Chicken Pox but still contracted it. My sister also got the mumps despite being vaccinated. Like all viruses, there are numerous strains and the vaccinations only target the most common ones.

I doubt the diseases will ever truly go away.

I can't say how delighted I am to hear that brand new strains are immigrating every day, though.

It's not all that unusual for someone to get chicken pox even though vaccinated. The vaccine against chicken pox isn't as effective as the measles vaccine. The vaccination against mumps isn't either. However, both will reduce the severity of the viral diseases if they are contracted. Additionally, the mumps vaccine should be given twice - once at about a year old and again at about five. The efficacy of any vaccine will reduce somewhat with age.

Just good things to know.

I expect my kids'll get the regular vaccine gamut, provided we can find vaccines that aren't made with aborted fetal tissue. You can apparently make this request in Canada.

Whether they want to get the HPV vaccination will be up to them, but I won't recommend it. Likewise with the flu vaccination (or I should say the 1,001 flu vaccinations, since they change them every year).

[mmhmm]

May 7, 2017 10:31:31 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 6, 2017 12:43:46 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

It's not all that unusual for someone to get chicken pox even though vaccinated. The vaccine against chicken pox isn't as effective as the measles vaccine. The vaccination against mumps isn't either. However, both will reduce the severity of the viral diseases if they are contracted. Additionally, the mumps vaccine should be given twice - once at about a year old and again at about five. The efficacy of any vaccine will reduce somewhat with age.

Just good things to know.

I expect my kids'll get the regular vaccine gamut, provided we can find vaccines that aren't made with aborted fetal tissue. You can apparently make this request in Canada.

Whether they want to get the HPV vaccination will be up to them, but I won't recommend it. Likewise with the flu vaccination (or I should say the 1,001 flu vaccinations, since they change them every year).

Mine got all vaccines available when they were children. Mumps and chicken pox vaccines came along after they were grown. I don't know if either of them have had either of those. I've never had the flu, so don't get the flu vaccine. I don't think either of my kids get it. HPV isn't something any of us are concerned about for ourselves. Grandkids have had them all, as far as I know, and nobody has had any problems with them. Great-grands will get what's available for them as granddaughter is a nurse and feels they're important.

[weltschmerz]

May 7, 2017 10:31:31 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 6, 2017 12:43:46 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

It's not all that unusual for someone to get chicken pox even though vaccinated. The vaccine against chicken pox isn't as effective as the measles vaccine. The vaccination against mumps isn't either. However, both will reduce the severity of the viral diseases if they are contracted. Additionally, the mumps vaccine should be given twice - once at about a year old and again at about five. The efficacy of any vaccine will reduce somewhat with age.

Just good things to know.

I expect my kids'll get the regular vaccine gamut, provided we can find vaccines that aren't made with aborted fetal tissue. You can apparently make this request in Canada.

Whether they want to get the HPV vaccination will be up to them, but I won't recommend it. Likewise with the flu vaccination (or I should say the 1,001 flu vaccinations, since they change them every year).

Oh, for heaven's sake!!

Although antiabortion antivaccine activists frequently try to make it sound as though scientists are aborting fetuses left and right just to grind them up to make vaccines (presumably twirling their mustaches and cackling evilly as they slice and dice them), in reality there are only two cell lines used this way, and they are so far removed from the original abortions that even the Catholic Church has told its members that not only is it morally acceptable to use such vaccines, but vaccinating children against deadly diseases is a great good.
True, the statement from the Pontifical Academy for Life does urge scientists to develop vaccines that don’t use these cell lines, but it also concluded that the extreme good of protecting children’s lives far outweighs the distant evil (in the Church’s view) that created the cell lines, concluding in a FAQ, “There would seem to be no proper grounds for refusing immunization against dangerous contagious disease, for example, rubella, especially in light of the concern that we should all have for the health of our children, public health, and the common good” and “It should be obvious that vaccine use in these cases does not contribute directly to the practice of abortion since the reasons for having an abortion are not related to vaccine preparation.”

sciencebasedmedicine.org/aborted-fetal-tissue-and-vaccines-combining-pseudoscience-and-religion-to-demonize-vaccines-2/

Two cell lines from the 60s. There are no aborted baby arms and legs floating around in vats of vaccines.

[weltschmerz]

I don't want my child getting vaccines made from unicorn horns.

[zibazinski]

May 6, 2017 16:01:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 6, 2017 12:43:46 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

It's not all that unusual for someone to get chicken pox even though vaccinated. The vaccine against chicken pox isn't as effective as the measles vaccine. The vaccination against mumps isn't either. However, both will reduce the severity of the viral diseases if they are contracted. Additionally, the mumps vaccine should be given twice - once at about a year old and again at about five. The efficacy of any vaccine will reduce somewhat with age.

Just good things to know.

And if you were 'lucky' enough to contract chicken pox as a kid, you can look forward to possibly having an occasional outbreak of shingles as an older adult. Best to get the shingles vaccine when you are say over 50 just to be safe.

I was told I wasn't allowed to have it until after 65.

[Virgil Showlion]

May 7, 2017 14:31:35 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 7, 2017 10:31:31 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I expect my kids'll get the regular vaccine gamut, provided we can find vaccines that aren't made with aborted fetal tissue. You can apparently make this request in Canada.

Whether they want to get the HPV vaccination will be up to them, but I won't recommend it. Likewise with the flu vaccination (or I should say the 1,001 flu vaccinations, since they change them every year).

Oh, for heaven's sake!!

Although antiabortion antivaccine activists frequently try to make it sound as though scientists are aborting fetuses left and right just to grind them up to make vaccines (presumably twirling their mustaches and cackling evilly as they slice and dice them), in reality there are only two cell lines used this way, and they are so far removed from the original abortions that even the Catholic Church has told its members that not only is it morally acceptable to use such vaccines, but vaccinating children against deadly diseases is a great good.
True, the statement from the Pontifical Academy for Life does urge scientists to develop vaccines that don’t use these cell lines, but it also concluded that the extreme good of protecting children’s lives far outweighs the distant evil (in the Church’s view) that created the cell lines, concluding in a FAQ, “There would seem to be no proper grounds for refusing immunization against dangerous contagious disease, for example, rubella, especially in light of the concern that we should all have for the health of our children, public health, and the common good” and “It should be obvious that vaccine use in these cases does not contribute directly to the practice of abortion since the reasons for having an abortion are not related to vaccine preparation.”

sciencebasedmedicine.org/aborted-fetal-tissue-and-vaccines-combining-pseudoscience-and-religion-to-demonize-vaccines-2/

Two cell lines from the 60s. There are no aborted baby arms and legs floating around in vats of vaccines.

So they'll get vaccinations that don't use those cell lines. What's your problem?

[Tennesseer]

May 7, 2017 17:34:41 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

May 6, 2017 16:01:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And if you were 'lucky' enough to contract chicken pox as a kid, you can look forward to possibly having an occasional outbreak of shingles as an older adult. Best to get the shingles vaccine when you are say over 50 just to be safe.

I was told I wasn't allowed to have it until after 65.

I had a very small outbreak of shingles on my side around the age of 46. I think I got my shingles vaccine several years ago around age 63. The vaccine is approved for anyone age 50 or older but the CDC does not recommend getting it until age 60.

Who should get the shingles vaccine? If I've already had shingles, should I get the vaccine so I don't get shingles again?

[zibazinski]

Interesting. I was flat out told "no." Even by the hospital I volunteer for.

[Tennesseer]

May 7, 2017 18:20:35 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Interesting. I was flat out told "no." Even by the hospital I volunteer for.

I had a friend (in her 40s at the time) who was being treated for cancer. She internally developed shingles inside her stomach. She was a rough shape for a time.

Whenever you can get the vaccine, do it.

[zibazinski]

I will

[dee27]

You can have the vaccine before 65, but most insurance companies will not pay for the vaccine. Medicare did not cover the charge when the vaccine was first available, but now it is a covered charge. I did have the vaccine because I did have a mild case of shingles post surgery, and luckily I did not have much pain but had intense itching.

[zibazinski]

I can't even imagine what it must cost.

[weltschmerz]

May 7, 2017 20:16:12 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I can't even imagine what it must cost.

Ours is about $250 but our supplemental insurance covers most of it.

[dee27]

Zib, I think the cost when I got the shot was $275. I had to pay the pharmacy where I bought the vaccine, and the pharmacist administered the shot. I submitted the paperwork to my insurance company, and they did reimburse most of the associated costs. I was not on Medicare, but I had group insurance through my former job. I think the insurance company covered the vaccine because I had Chickenpox twice and shingles once already; my first bout with Chickenpox was really bad, but the second time it was a mild case. I had an autoimmune disease, so I was more susceptible to having shingles again.

When DH received the vaccine, he was on Medicare, and the pharmacy could bill them directly. A lot of medical practices here do not stock the vaccine because it has to be refrigerated. Actually, it was cheaper to have the pharmacist administer the shot as opposed to paying for a doctor's appointment and the cost of the vaccine.

[zibazinski]

I'm seriously thinking of asking the hospital again on Wednesday. I've had two doctors say no due to my age but I sure as hell don't want shingles.

[Value Buy]

LOL, shingles and Chicken Pox......
Attention Canadian posters, be afraid very afraid.

Trump is planning to destroy you through infectious diseases carried by our "innocent political refugees" fleeing the USA.

[Tennesseer]

May 8, 2017 11:58:04 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I may be mistaken, but I thought the shingles vaccine was quite cheap.

I got the the shingles vaccine several years ago, pre-65 years of age. I don't remember paying a penny to receive it. My insurance covered it.

[dondub]

Lots of info here:  staywell.walgreens.com/post/143951541080/shingles

[mmhmm]

May 8, 2017 11:58:04 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I may be mistaken, but I thought the shingles vaccine was quite cheap.

$249.00 at Walgreens. Some insurances do cover it, though.