The Senate Nuclear option-so it begins

[Value Buy]

The Senate panel endorsed Gorsuch for the Supreme Court today along party lines, 11 Republicans, yes, 9 Democrats, no.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/divided-senate-panel-backs-supreme-court-nominee-gorsuch/ar-BBzfddB?li=BBnb7Kz

[Value Buy]

If the Democrats in the Senate did vote for him this time, it is obvious they would have to force the nuclear option on the next Trump pick since it would replace a liberal judge with a conservative judge, assuming no conservative judge dies or resigns in the next year. There were reports Judge Kennedy was retiring this summer, and he was a swing vote slightly leaning with the the liberal leaning judges.
I do not think it mattered much whether the Nuclear option was imposed this time rather than next time.
It does address the issue whether there will be any cooperation with this President.
NADA, ZIP, ZERO........Chance of it happening.

[Tennesseer]

It does address the issue whether there will be any cooperation with this President.

NADA, ZIP, ZERO........Chance of it happening.

Pretty much what happened between January, 2009 and January, 2017.

[busymom]

So, the GOP plans to implement the nuclear option.  Fine, but what happens when the Democratic Party has control, votes in THEIR choice of a Supreme Court Judge?  How much gnashing of teeth will we see from the GOP when that happens?  (It's only a matter of time.)

[Value Buy]

Apr 3, 2017 15:51:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

It does address the issue whether there will be any cooperation with this President.

NADA, ZIP, ZERO........Chance of it happening.

Pretty much what happened between January, 2009 and January, 2017.

Well the first four years the democrats held the hammer to their heads, and did as they pleased.
I guess since the Republicans did the party of no thing, it is ok for the Dems to do it now, even though they are the minority party in all three positions and soon to be the minority in the Supreme Court as well.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 3, 2017 17:35:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 3, 2017 15:51:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Pretty much what happened between January, 2009 and January, 2017.

Well the first four years the democrats held the hammer to their heads, and did as they pleased.
I guess since the Republicans did the party of no thing, it is ok for the Dems to do it now, even though they are the minority party in all three positions and soon to be the minority in the Supreme Court as well.

What goes around will come around.

[Value Buy]

Apr 3, 2017 17:40:42 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 3, 2017 17:35:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Well the first four years the democrats held the hammer to their heads, and did as they pleased.
I guess since the Republicans did the party of no thing, it is ok for the Dems to do it now, even though they are the minority party in all three positions and soon to be the minority in the Supreme Court as well.

What goes around will come around.

I can only imagine Hamilton ,Jefferson, and the Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves right now. I do not agree or like what is happening either.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 3, 2017 17:43:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 3, 2017 17:40:42 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

What goes around will come around.

I can only imagine Hamilton ,Jefferson, and the Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves right now. I do not agree or like what is happening either.

You knew what he was like before the election. You voted for him. You have been proting him since the get go.

The mess is all yours.

[busymom]

Yup, Trump & his minions are going to own the entire mess.


I agree that the Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves, especially with everything going on since January.

[Value Buy]

Apr 3, 2017 18:19:31 GMT -5 busymom said:

Yup, Trump & his minions are going to own the entire mess.


I agree that the Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves, especially with everything going on since January.

You have a short memory.
Harry Reid opened this up.

[Value Buy]

Apr 3, 2017 17:52:36 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 3, 2017 17:43:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I can only imagine Hamilton ,Jefferson, and the Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves right now. I do not agree or like what is happening either.

You knew what he was like before the election. You voted for him. You have been proting him since the get go.

The mess is all yours.

You know that is not true. We have discussed this several times. I will say one word to refute you.
JEB!
  (BOY, DID I GET THAT ONE WRONG!)

[Tennesseer]

Apr 3, 2017 18:26:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 3, 2017 17:52:36 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

You knew what he was like before the election. You voted for him. You have been proting him since the get go.

The mess is all yours.

You know that is not true. We have discussed this several times. I will say one word to refute you.
JEB!
  (BOY, DID I GET THAT ONE WRONG!)

Who did you vote for in the November election? Jeb was not on the ballot.

[Value Buy]

Just as your vote did not count in Tennessee due to the Donald winning there, my vote did not matter in Indiana. He won going away

[Tennesseer]

Apr 3, 2017 21:44:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Just as your vote did not count in Tennessee due to the Donald winning there, my vote did not matter in Indiana. He won going away

But you voted for Trump. I did not.

He and his mess is all yours.

[Deleted]

Apr 3, 2017 17:52:36 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 3, 2017 17:43:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I can only imagine Hamilton ,Jefferson, and the Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves right now. I do not agree or like what is happening either.

You knew what he was like before the election. You voted for him. You have been proting him since the get go.

The mess is all yours.

While I don't know who Value Buy voted for like you apparently do... I do know that this mess isn't "all his" nor even "all Republicans", nor even "All those that voted for Trump".

No. This mess is all OURS, collectively, as a country... because we couldn't get our collective shit together and nominate good, upstanding and QUALIFIED people, and most of us couldn't be bothered to not waste our votes.

And the saddest part... this problem isn't new. "The mess" that is modern day Washington DC, started decades ago.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 3, 2017 22:26:10 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Apr 3, 2017 17:52:36 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

You knew what he was like before the election. You voted for him. You have been proting him since the get go.

The mess is all yours.

While I don't know who Value Buy voted for like you apparently do... I do know that this mess isn't "all his" nor even "all Republicans", nor even "All those that voted for Trump".

No. This mess is all OURS, collectively, as a country... because we couldn't get our collective shit together and nominate good, upstanding and QUALIFIED people, and most of us couldn't be bothered to not waste our votes.

And the saddest part... this problem isn't new. "The mess" that is modern day Washington DC, started decades ago.

When it is time for finger pointing time, all five fingers will be pointing at VB and company.

[Virgil Showlion]

Both parties own this.

Sen. Reid drew first blood. Now the GOP is about to show they're equally short-sighted.

[Value Buy]

Apr 3, 2017 22:29:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 3, 2017 22:26:10 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

While I don't know who Value Buy voted for like you apparently do... I do know that this mess isn't "all his" nor even "all Republicans", nor even "All those that voted for Trump".

No. This mess is all OURS, collectively, as a country... because we couldn't get our collective shit together and nominate good, upstanding and QUALIFIED people, and most of us couldn't be bothered to not waste our votes.

And the saddest part... this problem isn't new. "The mess" that is modern day Washington DC, started decades ago.

When it is time for finger pointing time, all five fingers will be pointing at VB and company.

Only in MSM which we all know is biased and trying to instigate a coup against this great President.

[Tennesseer]

Your mess.

[Value Buy]

Your President

[Tennesseer]

Apr 4, 2017 8:18:55 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Your President

You voted for him. I did not.

Your mess.

[buystoys]

Apr 3, 2017 22:29:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 3, 2017 22:26:10 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

While I don't know who Value Buy voted for like you apparently do... I do know that this mess isn't "all his" nor even "all Republicans", nor even "All those that voted for Trump".

No. This mess is all OURS, collectively, as a country... because we couldn't get our collective shit together and nominate good, upstanding and QUALIFIED people, and most of us couldn't be bothered to not waste our votes.

And the saddest part... this problem isn't new. "The mess" that is modern day Washington DC, started decades ago.

When it is time for finger pointing time, all five fingers will be pointing at VB and company.

And how does that help?  Will that change anything?  Because I don't see that any of the finger pointing for the past decade has done anything other than escalate the mess and cause the rhetoric to go hyperbolic on both sides.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 4, 2017 8:46:54 GMT -5 buystoys said:

Apr 3, 2017 22:29:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

When it is time for finger pointing time, all five fingers will be pointing at VB and company.

And how does that help?  Will that change anything?  Because I don't see that any of the finger pointing for the past decade has done anything other than escalate the mess and cause the rhetoric to go hyperbolic on both sides.

The back and forth is going to go on indefinitely until a president and congress are elected who appeal to both parties. I surely don't see that happening in my remaining lifetime.

[Value Buy]

Apr 4, 2017 8:46:54 GMT -5 buystoys said:

Apr 3, 2017 22:29:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

When it is time for finger pointing time, all five fingers will be pointing at VB and company.

And how does that help?  Will that change anything?  Because I don't see that any of the finger pointing for the past decade has done anything other than escalate the mess and cause the rhetoric to go hyperbolic on both sides.

I fully admit the Republicans did it, just as the Democrats did it.
Two wrongs do not make it right.
By all accounts Gorsuch is a good judge. If the Republicans do not go nuclear, how will we ever appoint another Judge to the Supreme Court?
The Democrats will never accept anyone right of Montemayer and company and she is not that far far left to begin with, and vice versa for the Republicans. Eventually we will be down to one Judge making the decisions for us.
A Justice such as Kennedy will never make it to the court at this rate.

[buystoys]

Apr 4, 2017 8:50:35 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 4, 2017 8:46:54 GMT -5 buystoys said:

And how does that help?  Will that change anything?  Because I don't see that any of the finger pointing for the past decade has done anything other than escalate the mess and cause the rhetoric to go hyperbolic on both sides.

The back and forth is going to go on indefinitely until a president and congress are elected who appeal to both parties. I surely don't see that happening in my remaining lifetime.

So, you think there's no possibility the voting population will at some point decide enough is enough and force their elected officials to start working together?  For some reason, I find that more depressing than watching what is happening in Washington.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 4, 2017 8:55:25 GMT -5 buystoys said:

Apr 4, 2017 8:50:35 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The back and forth is going to go on indefinitely until a president and congress are elected who appeal to both parties. I surely don't see that happening in my remaining lifetime.

So, you think there's no possibility the voting population will at some point decide enough is enough and force their elected officials to start working together?  For some reason, I find that more depressing than watching what is happening in Washington.

I don't see it happening in my remaining life time. AndvI am only 66.

[Value Buy]

Apr 4, 2017 8:55:25 GMT -5 buystoys said:

Apr 4, 2017 8:50:35 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The back and forth is going to go on indefinitely until a president and congress are elected who appeal to both parties. I surely don't see that happening in my remaining lifetime.

So, you think there's no possibility the voting population will at some point decide enough is enough and force their elected officials to start working together?  For some reason, I find that more depressing than watching what is happening in Washington.

This will not happen until one party elects such a massive majority and starts acting like a Russian Oligarch with the American public, and they are voted out of office. If the Republican party would vote as one bloc, as the Democrats do, the agenda they want would be accomplished, and would be voted out in the next election possilbly electing enough people of principal, and a coalition between two parties could rule.

[buystoys]

So do we all just give up and wait for the next civil war to happen?  Or do we all decide that we will, individually, attempt to stop pointing fingers, open dialogues with those we don't agree with, and force our government leaders to do the same?

I'm not much younger than you Tennesseer, but I do remember a time when all of us were more civil to each other.  Does change start at the top or does it start at the bottom?

Value Buy, I'd like to see that coalition, I just don't know how to get there.

[OldCoyote]

Apr 3, 2017 22:26:10 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Apr 3, 2017 17:52:36 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

You knew what he was like before the election. You voted for him. You have been proting him since the get go.

The mess is all yours.

While I don't know who Value Buy voted for like you apparently do... I do know that this mess isn't "all his" nor even "all Republicans", nor even "All those that voted for Trump".

No. This mess is all OURS, collectively, as a country... because we couldn't get our collective shit together and nominate good, upstanding and QUALIFIED people, and most of us couldn't be bothered to not waste our votes.

And the saddest part... this problem isn't new. "The mess" that is modern day Washington DC, started decades ago.

Boy did you ever hit the nail on this one,,, As We slowly drift from slightly one direction to the other,  Think our side is the best,,,,

When in reality, neither side is good for us!!   But We put on our "ol" horse blinders, mosy down the political road,

Acting like We know what is best for every one else!!!

[Tennesseer]

Apr 4, 2017 9:22:28 GMT -5 buystoys said:

So do we all just give up and wait for the next civil war to happen?  Or do we all decide that we will, individually, attempt to stop pointing fingers, open dialogues with those we don't agree with, and force our government leaders to do the same?

I'm not much younger than you Tennesseer, but I do remember a time when all of us were more civil to each other.  Does change start at the top or does it start at the bottom?

Value Buy, I'd like to see that coalition, I just don't know how to get there.

It would help if it started from the top. trump promised to united the country. he has made no effort of leading by example. he has probably poisoned the waters of civility for years to come.