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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 21, 2017 9:34:01 GMT -5
The really chilling thought is... Is this all about getting the voting apparatus within the grip of the Deep State?
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Mar 21, 2017 10:45:14 GMT -5
LMAO. ur a business dude. Clear and concise communication is a must. Would u send a client a long and droning email? No one is going to read ur post dude. This is a political, philosophical discussion. It is not a legal or business matter. The same rules apply. You do WANT people to read and consider ur views don't u? Right now no one will read either of ur 2 diatribes u have posted here But I forgot, talking to u is like talking to a wall.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 21, 2017 11:49:07 GMT -5
The only things that are chilling here are what the Russians did during the presidential campaign, and what certain Trump campaign operatives did in collusion with the Russians. It has already been established that Paul Manaforte Trump's former campaign manager, had improper contacts with the Russians. Roger Stone, the Republican operative and former Trump campaign operative had contacts with the hackers that released the info on the DNC for crying out loud. Flynn was fired for lying about his contacts with the Russians. There is an awful lot of smoke here for there not to be any fire, and those involved know it. That is why the Administration is actively spinning, the Senate GOP is deflecting, the FBI is investigating, and the Democrats are calling for blood. This thing has legs. LOOOONG legs. I'd like you to consider a different view- from one of your own: theintercept.com/2017/03/16/key-democratic-officials-now-warning-base-not-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/Glenn Greenwald at The Intercept (a lefty / liberal source) reports that Democratic Officials Are Starting To Warn The Base Not To Expect Evidence of Trump / Russia Collusion. This, btw, was well before yesterday's three ring circus in which we learned there's not even a hint of collusion between Trump and the Russians- in other words, it's got no legs. None. But the Democrat base is so invested in the false narrative, that they're starting to panic over breaking the news to their insane kook unhinged base that Trump's going to be President for four (and probably 8) years. I disagree with his characterization of Republicans of course- because after all, we were proven right about Clinton, but this:
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 21, 2017 12:00:17 GMT -5
Why is it so easy to dismiss what Snowden disclosed, What wikileaks disclosed, even when Comey says I can't comment on that!! Even Brennan, was caught in a bald face lie when testifying before Congress, But wiretapping Trump towers could not possibly be true. Yep, because Paul posted it ,it can't be true! I will also note those posters that have worked in some capacity of government intelligence,, are quite silent! It's simple: because Nate Silver gave Hillary a 95% chance of winning within hours of the votes being tallied and for these people there simply has to be some other explanation for Trump's victory besides their candidate sucked and everyone hates her.
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 21, 2017 14:50:00 GMT -5
I actually do think some conversation that took place on phones in Trump Tower were tapped. It isn't hard to me to figure out why either.
The Gov taps foreign governments like Russia as well as known terrorists. So while the gov may not be tapping my phone it is a sure thing that if I pick up the phone and call a Russian KGB spy that that conversation would be tapped. They aren't tapping me, the US citizen, they are tapping them.
Short answer is Trump and his people needed to not talk to people that everyone knows the gov taps like the Russian Ambassador.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 21, 2017 15:10:24 GMT -5
I actually do think some conversation that took place on phones in Trump Tower were tapped. It isn't hard to me to figure out why either. The Gov taps foreign governments like Russia as well as known terrorists. So while the gov may not be tapping my phone it is a sure thing that if I pick up the phone and call a Russian KGB spy that that conversation would be tapped. They aren't tapping me, the US citizen, they are tapping them. Short answer is Trump and his people needed to not talk to people that everyone knows the gov taps like the Russian Ambassador. They're required by law to hang up as soon as they realize an American citizen that is not a target of an active investigation (and for whom they have a warrant) is on the phone. The fact that Flynn was not only recorded, but that the recording was leaked to the media is actually the only crime we know for certain took place. Trump wasn't simply correct about mere wire tapping- but he actually underestimated the true extent of the surveillance. It was extensive. So, now we need to know who-- and we need to know why. To get a warrant of this nature, they need a probable cause document. We will eventually have to see that document.
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Post by Opti on Mar 22, 2017 16:31:34 GMT -5
I actually do think some conversation that took place on phones in Trump Tower were tapped. It isn't hard to me to figure out why either. The Gov taps foreign governments like Russia as well as known terrorists. So while the gov may not be tapping my phone it is a sure thing that if I pick up the phone and call a Russian KGB spy that that conversation would be tapped. They aren't tapping me, the US citizen, they are tapping them. Short answer is Trump and his people needed to not talk to people that everyone knows the gov taps like the Russian Ambassador. They're required by law to hang up as soon as they realize an American citizen that is not a target of an active investigation (and for whom they have a warrant) is on the phone.
The fact that Flynn was not only recorded, but that the recording was leaked to the media is actually the only crime we know for certain took place. Trump wasn't simply correct about mere wire tapping- but he actually underestimated the true extent of the surveillance. It was extensive. So, now we need to know who-- and we need to know why. To get a warrant of this nature, they need a probable cause document. We will eventually have to see that document.
You are wire tapping someone and they call an American citizen who you don't have a warrant to wire tap. You'd drop the call, and stop following the suspected guilty fish?
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Post by Opti on Mar 22, 2017 16:32:52 GMT -5
Why is it so easy to dismiss what Snowden disclosed, What wikileaks disclosed, even when Comey says I can't comment on that!! Even Brennan, was caught in a bald face lie when testifying before Congress, But wiretapping Trump towers could not possibly be true. Yep, because Paul posted it ,it can't be true! I will also note those posters that have worked in some capacity of government intelligence,, are quite silent! It's simple: because Nate Silver gave Hillary a 95% chance of winning within hours of the votes being tallied and for these people there simply has to be some other explanation for Trump's victory besides their candidate sucked and everyone hates her. Do you have proof of this claim?
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Mar 22, 2017 16:33:52 GMT -5
They're required by law to hang up as soon as they realize an American citizen that is not a target of an active investigation (and for whom they have a warrant) is on the phone.
The fact that Flynn was not only recorded, but that the recording was leaked to the media is actually the only crime we know for certain took place. Trump wasn't simply correct about mere wire tapping- but he actually underestimated the true extent of the surveillance. It was extensive. So, now we need to know who-- and we need to know why. To get a warrant of this nature, they need a probable cause document. We will eventually have to see that document.
You are wire tapping someone and they call an American citizen who you don't have a warrant to wire tap. You'd drop the call, and stop following the suspected guilty fish?
That's what you're supposed to do according to law. Whether it makes sense or not is another issue.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 22, 2017 17:05:57 GMT -5
I actually do think some conversation that took place on phones in Trump Tower were tapped. It isn't hard to me to figure out why either. The Gov taps foreign governments like Russia as well as known terrorists. So while the gov may not be tapping my phone it is a sure thing that if I pick up the phone and call a Russian KGB spy that that conversation would be tapped. They aren't tapping me, the US citizen, they are tapping them. Short answer is Trump and his people needed to not talk to people that everyone knows the gov taps like the Russian Ambassador. They're required by law to hang up as soon as they realize an American citizen that is not a target of an active investigation (and for whom they have a warrant) is on the phone.The fact that Flynn was not only recorded, but that the recording was leaked to the media is actually the only crime we know for certain took place. Trump wasn't simply correct about mere wire tapping- but he actually underestimated the true extent of the surveillance. It was extensive. So, now we need to know who-- and we need to know why. To get a warrant of this nature, they need a probable cause document. We will eventually have to see that document. www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/03/22/what_the_hell_did_devin_nunes_just_say_about_trump_and_surveillance.html
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 22, 2017 20:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 22, 2017 20:52:08 GMT -5
By the way- it's hardly an aside, either- does anyone know James Comey's history. I do- extensively. I'm just wondering if anyone else does?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 22, 2017 21:01:53 GMT -5
SERIOUS CLAIM: FBI's COMEY 'FALSELY' DENIED SURVEILLANCE -- remember, he was under oath yesterday. Today's news may well contradict his testimony which presents Comey with a serious problem.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 22, 2017 21:59:16 GMT -5
Do you deliberately miss the point to avoid discussing the actual point? Is it because you fear you are wrong? You stated: They're required by law to hang up as soon as they realize an American citizen that is not a target of an active investigation (and for whom they have a warrant) is on the phone.
To support you hypothesis that if there was any recording of listening to trump/trump campaign that it was not legal The article I quoted stated: Intelligence agencies like the NSA and CIA are prohibited by law from spying on Americans but can collect “incidental information” if those Americans are in communication with foreigners.This leaves 4 possibilities. Either: Trump was not surveilled Trump was surveilled illegally Trump was surveilled legally/warrant Trump was indirectly surveilled in accordance with "incidental information" I have in fact, mentioned option 4 in direct response to you at least 3 if not more times.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2017 8:29:07 GMT -5
We are a few key pieces of evidence away from establishing Obama was complicit in a plan in which, for political purposes, his regime concocted a story of a Russian connection to Trump, which would make Trump by definition a suspected enemy of the state, in order to leverage the vast intelligence resources of the United States of America- NSA, CIA, FBI, DIS et all to conduct opposition research on a political opponent.
You have to understand the gravity of the situation for Obama and the Democrats: If this shakes out this way, it will be the worst national crisis America has ever faced. It makes Obama and a large segment of our government along with who knows how many Democrats, complicit in the worst crime in our history. If evidence is brought to bear of this- and it won't take much- we are VERY close-- it will mean people in the obama regime, vast numbers of people in the agencies, perhaps people in both parties and maybe even Obama himself are guilty of treason. It means the ongoing investigation is a sham, and a front for a coup- and if that's the case then President Trump needs help outside our government to put down this coup- and quickly. The swamp creature must be killed, not contained.
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Post by dondub on Mar 23, 2017 11:19:43 GMT -5
How many 'worst crises' and 'crimes of the century' are we going to suffer from in just a few short months!
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