International Women's Day - TedTalks

[MJ2.0]

Instead of talking about anything, I just want to post some interesting Ted Talks dealing with womanhood/femininity/gender issues. If you are so inclined, please listen or view and take some time to think about what you are hearing.


That's all I want, although I can't prevent you from commenting.

[MJ2.0]

[MJ2.0]

[bean29]

Bookmarked, so I can review later when I am not at work .  Thanks for sharing.

[MJ2.0]

mods, can this be temporarily pinned? Maybe for a week?
chiver78
973beachbum

[swasat]

One of my employees is a father of a 8 yo girl.

This morning he printed a poster and put it on his desk. It says:


"I have a girl. I have been blessed 1000 times over.

Someday my girl will achieve equal rights as men, even if she has to fight her entire lifetime for it.

Someday my girl will will decide her own destiny, even if she has to fight her entire lifetime for it.

Someday my girl will have full control over her body, even if she has to fight her entire lifetime for it.

Someday my girl will show the world she no less than anyone, even if she has to fight her entire lifetime for it.

As her father, I will fight her fight for her."


I wept as I read it.   And I went 

So touching, so emotional, so loving.

[MJ2.0]

[Cookies Galore]

I just watched We Should All Be Feminists. Very good. Thanks for these! I enjoy TED Talks.

[MJ2.0]

Mar 8, 2017 12:44:07 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

I just watched We Should All Be Feminists. Very good. Thanks for these! I enjoy TED Talks.

I've seen that one before and it is my favorite. Just don't read the YouTube comments on any of these videos - they seriously make me weep for humanity.  So many angry men...

[Cookies Galore]

Ugh, thanks for the warning.

[MJ2.0]

my employer is sending all these emails about what the CEOs are doing regarding International Women's Day and what the company aspires to do. That's all well and good, but as long as one of our companies continues to make overly sexualized ads with scantily clad women I can't take them seriously.

[MJ2.0]

[MJ2.0]

[MJ2.0]

You may need to cross your legs while watching this one (talks about FGM):

[Virgil Showlion]

I watched "The dangerous ways ads see women" and agree with most of Ms. Kilbourne's contentions.

She's honing in on a very specific aspect of a much larger societal problem, although she does touch on society's growing tolerance of/addiction to pornography. @richardintn might want to take a gander.

[chiver78]

Mar 8, 2017 11:39:12 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

mods, can this be temporarily pinned? Maybe for a week?
chiver78
973beachbum

I like this idea, done. now if someone can remind me in a week to un-sticky it, I'd appreciate that.

-chiver mod

[Cookies Galore]

My sister shared this one from Roxane Gay. I enjoyed it. Humorous and heartfelt.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Mar 8, 2017 12:50:14 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Mar 8, 2017 12:44:07 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

I just watched We Should All Be Feminists. Very good. Thanks for these! I enjoy TED Talks.

I've seen that one before and it is my favorite. Just don't read the YouTube comments on any of these videos - they seriously make me weep for humanity.  So many angry men...

Crap, for reals?

Ugh ! That holds true for just about any comment section....

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Mar 8, 2017 14:25:55 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I watched "The dangerous ways ads see women" and agree with most of Ms. Kilbourne's contentions.

She's honing in on a very specific aspect of a much larger societal problem, although she does touch on society's growing tolerance of/addiction to pornography. @richardintn might want to take a gander.

Would you care to expand on this comment so I can ascertain why you thought it necessary to tag me on it?

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Mar 8, 2017 15:20:01 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Mar 8, 2017 11:39:12 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

mods, can this be temporarily pinned? Maybe for a week?
chiver78
973beachbum

I like this idea, done. now if someone can remind me in a week to un-sticky it, I'd appreciate that.

-chiver mod

Reminder: In a week un-sticky it...

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 9, 2017 22:57:45 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Mar 8, 2017 14:25:55 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I watched "The dangerous ways ads see women" and agree with most of Ms. Kilbourne's contentions.

She's honing in on a very specific aspect of a much larger societal problem, although she does touch on society's growing tolerance of/addiction to pornography. @richardintn might want to take a gander.

Would you care to expand on this comment so I can ascertain why you thought it necessary to tag me on it?

She talks about the link between exhibition of the human body and sexual assault.

You don't believe sexualization of the human body is indecent and you're the only poster I can think of who has no problem with magazines publishing e.g. nude images of children, hence you might be interested in what she has to say.

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Mar 9, 2017 23:32:03 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 9, 2017 22:57:45 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Would you care to expand on this comment so I can ascertain why you thought it necessary to tag me on it?

She talks about the link between exhibition of the human body and sexual assault.

You don't believe sexualization of the human body is indecent and you're the only poster I can think of who has no problem with magazines publishing e.g. nude images of children, hence you might be interested in what she has to say.

Interesting... considering in areas where nudity is not only encouraged, but in some cases required (nudist resorts, nudist "colonies", nude beaches, nudism friendly places in Europe, et cetera), there are actually no problems with sexual assault.

I wonder where she's getting her "facts".


ETA: and you are wrong about my beliefs about sexualization of the human body. What I believe is that it's not NECESSARY. Sexualization is what makes it "indecent". If it weren't sexualized it wouldn't be indecent. Sexualization and it being indecent are completely and utterly unnecessary. Just look at any nudist community for proof.

[MJ2.0]

Mar 8, 2017 15:58:51 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

My sister shared this one from Roxane Gay. I enjoyed it. Humorous and heartfelt.

Loved this!  Thank you for sharing!

[alabamagal]

I watched the one on women engineers.  It made me sad.  But I also disagree with a lot of what she said.

I am in my 50s.  No one has ever told me that women are not good at math.  No one ever told me I couldn't be anything I wanted to be.  When I graduated high school I did not want to be an engineer.  I went to a very good university intending to be pre-med.  After some thought I really decided I did not like being around sick people, so I switched schools and switched to engineering.  My field (chemical engineering) has one of the highest proportion of female engineering students (more than electrical, civil, etc).

I worked for a pharma company for 20 years.  I had plenty of promotions and opportunities, as did other female engineers.  I can't compare my salary to others, but I can tell you that all the male and female engineers started at same salary and I saw no bias in raises promotions.  In fact maybe I had some bias toward female engineers because in general they were more ambitious, better at communication, better at teamwork, and just as skilled technically.  But I have seen many female engineers leave the engineering field and branch out into other areas, and in a good way.  It is their choice.

Through my job, I have dealt with companies all over the world, with a lot of interaction in Europe.  Believe me in that there are less female engineers their.  My current company is German, and even more male dominated.  I went to a training class for engineering project managers all from US sites.  There were 50 attendees and only 5 were female, and 3 of those were just out of college.  The good thing is that when we had a break, the line at the women's restroom was short  .  

I don't think there is a solution.  Engineering is a tough job and you have to put up with a lot of crap, solve difficult problems, sometimes support 24/7 operations, work in tough environments.  Maybe just need to accept that a lot of women do not want to be an engineer.  I am currently project manager for a $20 million expansion job.  The engineering firm that did design and construction is almost all male.  The construction companies are all male.  But I am the boss . I have to put my work boots and hard hat on and go make sure they are doing their job.

There are a lot of women in some of the science based jobs at our site.  The Microbiology Dept is ~80% female.  Testing lab (chemists) has more women that men.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 9, 2017 23:57:39 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Mar 9, 2017 23:32:03 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

She talks about the link between exhibition of the human body and sexual assault.

You don't believe sexualization of the human body is indecent and you're the only poster I can think of who has no problem with magazines publishing e.g. nude images of children, hence you might be interested in what she has to say.

Interesting... considering in areas where nudity is not only encouraged, but in some cases required (nudist resorts, nudist "colonies", nude beaches, nudism friendly places in Europe, et cetera), there are actually no problems with sexual assault.

I wonder where she's getting her "facts".


ETA: and you are wrong about my beliefs about sexualization of the human body. What I believe is that it's not NECESSARY. Sexualization is what makes it "indecent". If it weren't sexualized it wouldn't be indecent. Sexualization and it being indecent are completely and utterly unnecessary. Just look at any nudist community for proof.

The nudist colonies where no sexual assault occurs?

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Mar 10, 2017 16:41:18 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 9, 2017 23:57:39 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Interesting... considering in areas where nudity is not only encouraged, but in some cases required (nudist resorts, nudist "colonies", nude beaches, nudism friendly places in Europe, et cetera), there are actually no problems with sexual assault.

I wonder where she's getting her "facts".


ETA: and you are wrong about my beliefs about sexualization of the human body. What I believe is that it's not NECESSARY. Sexualization is what makes it "indecent". If it weren't sexualized it wouldn't be indecent. Sexualization and it being indecent are completely and utterly unnecessary. Just look at any nudist community for proof.

The nudist colonies where no sexual assault occurs?

I grew up one city away from Cypress Cove (just outside of Kissimmee, Florida), which is a large "nudist colony". I drove past it all the time to visit my sister (who still lives in Poinciana, Florida... on the other side of Cypress Cove from Kissimmee). While I lived there, there was not ONE report of any sexual assaults or rapes or other so called "nudity induced" violence against someone. None. And trust me, if there had been any assaults or other bad things, it would have been spread like wildfire.

But... admittedly that's just one location... and my personal experience with news about the place is from several years ago. So I'll amend my statement to "no problems above and beyond what happens out in the textile word, where people are always covered".

Here's a challenge for you Virgil Showlion. You like challenges (well... you like giving them anyway). I challenge you to find a news report (even if it's just a "police blotter" section in a newspaper) of a rape or sexual assault at a nudist location.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 10, 2017 20:15:14 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Here's a challenge for you Virgil Showlion . You like challenges (well... you like giving them anyway). I challenge you to find a news report (even if it's just a "police blotter" section in a newspaper) of a rape or sexual assault at a nudist location.

There's a lot wrong with the challenge.

First of all, one can easily find dozens of reports:

duckduckgo.com/?q=sexual+assault+at+nudist+colony&t=ffnt&ia=web

This hardly answers the question about how likely sexual assault is compared to the big wide world, however, which also happens to be an ill-posed question. Why? Poke around in the above articles and you'll discover the authorities in such colonies pay special care to spot anyone who may be problematic and ban them from the colony. The colonies are also inherently small, family-oriented, and tightly knit. Hence for an apples-to-apples comparison, we'd need to compare them to other small, family-oriented communities who ban individuals giving others the wrong kind of attention.

Almost by standard, nudist colonies want to attract people who aren't sexually triggered by the sight of the naked human body and deny entry to people who are. Hence to base conclusions about the relationship between nudity and sexual assault on a nudist colony is methodological nonstarter.

But before we go any further, I want to clarify that nudity is only a small piece of the pie. As far as I'm aware, you don't consider any form of voluntary self-exhibition, including pornography, to be inherently harmful. Is this indeed the case? (Note that if you don't reply "yes" here, I'm going to have to drag out your comments about decency/indecency from our past discussions. They clearly indicate the answer is "yes" and leave very little room for misinterpretation.)

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Mar 10, 2017 21:22:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 10, 2017 20:15:14 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Here's a challenge for you Virgil Showlion . You like challenges (well... you like giving them anyway). I challenge you to find a news report (even if it's just a "police blotter" section in a newspaper) of a rape or sexual assault at a nudist location.

There's a lot wrong with the challenge.

First of all, one can easily find dozens of reports:

duckduckgo.com/?q=sexual+assault+at+nudist+colony&t=ffnt&ia=web

This hardly answers the question about how likely sexual assault is compared to the big wide world, however, which also happens to be an ill-posed question. Why? Poke around in the above articles and you'll discover the authorities in such colonies pay special care to spot anyone who may be problematic and ban them from the colony. The colonies are also inherently small, family-oriented, and tightly knit. Hence for an apples-to-apples comparison, we'd need to compare them to other small, family-oriented communities who ban individuals giving others the wrong kind of attention.

Almost by standard, nudist colonies want to attract people who aren't sexually triggered by the sight of the naked human body and deny entry to people who are. Hence to base conclusions about the relationship between nudity and sexual assault on a nudist colony is methodological nonstarter.

But before we go any further, I want to clarify that nudity is only a small piece of the pie. As far as I'm aware, you don't consider any form of voluntary self-exhibition, including pornography, to be inherently harmful. Is this indeed the case? (Note that if you don't reply "yes" here, I'm going to have to drag out your comments about decency/indecency from our past discussions. They clearly indicate the answer is "yes" and leave very little room for misinterpretation.)

I'll agree with that last paragraph with a qualifier: So long as that "self exhibition, including pornography" does not include child porn, general under-age sex, or things of that nature, where it's likely that coercion was involved or they were not really fully aware of the consequences of their choice/action.

There's nothing harmful about nudity. There's nothing harmful about consensual sexual activity between people of consenting age.

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Now, back to the beginning of your post. Yes. I figured there might be a few. However... those few pale in comparison with the number that can be found anywhere BUT nudist places.

You take issue with the fact that they are selective... but they really aren't in actuality.... IF you look at their selection criteria. And some places don't even have "selection criteria". Public nude beaches, for example.

My premise is "If you remove nudity from being an issue. If no one cared about naked people...". Their selectivity is that they (mostly, when they can catch it) don't allow people that have an issue with nudity. A locale is created where people don't care about nudity. AFTER THAT they aren't really any more discriminating that any other general "clothing required" subdivision.

[weltschmerz]

Mar 10, 2017 21:22:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mar 10, 2017 20:15:14 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Here's a challenge for you Virgil Showlion . You like challenges (well... you like giving them anyway). I challenge you to find a news report (even if it's just a "police blotter" section in a newspaper) of a rape or sexual assault at a nudist location.

There's a lot wrong with the challenge.

First of all, one can easily find dozens of reports:

duckduckgo.com/?q=sexual+assault+at+nudist+colony&t=ffnt&ia=web

This hardly answers the question about how likely sexual assault is compared to the big wide world, however, which also happens to be an ill-posed question. Why? Poke around in the above articles and you'll discover the authorities in such colonies pay special care to spot anyone who may be problematic and ban them from the colony. The colonies are also inherently small, family-oriented, and tightly knit. Hence for an apples-to-apples comparison, we'd need to compare them to other small, family-oriented communities who ban individuals giving others the wrong kind of attention.

Almost by standard, nudist colonies want to attract people who aren't sexually triggered by the sight of the naked human body and deny entry to people who are. Hence to base conclusions about the relationship between nudity and sexual assault on a nudist colony is methodological nonstarter.

But before we go any further, I want to clarify that nudity is only a small piece of the pie. As far as I'm aware, you don't consider any form of voluntary self-exhibition, including pornography, to be inherently harmful. Is this indeed the case? (Note that if you don't reply "yes" here, I'm going to have to drag out your comments about decency/indecency from our past discussions. They clearly indicate the answer is "yes" and leave very little room for misinterpretation.)

If only the Catholic Church was that selective....

I'd feel way safer in a nudist colony.

[Virgil Showlion]

Mar 10, 2017 22:40:04 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

You take issue with the fact that they are selective... but they really aren't in actuality.... IF you look at their selection criteria. And some places don't even have "selection criteria". Public nude beaches, for example.

Uh huh. And how many sexual assaults occur on public beaches?

Re their selection criteria: their many disclaimers indicate they go out of their way to monitor people for lechery, stalking, harassment, ogling children, etc., throwing them out of the colony if necessary. We can't do that in the great wide world. We have no permission to throw anybody out and there's nowhere to throw them out to. We have to live with the perverts.

I'll agree with that last paragraph with a qualifier: So long as that "self exhibition, including pornography" does not include child porn, general under-age sex, or things of that nature, where it's likely that coercion was involved or they were not really fully aware of the consequences of their choice/action.

Your thesis in the last thread was that no kind of consensual adult exhibition could be labeled indecent or harmful. That presumably includes pornography and advertising. You didn't limit your argument to nudity in nudist colonies.

Ms. Kilbourne's talk is about blowing a hole through at least half of your thesis, which is why I tagged you.

You also argued that people's tendency to be sexually triggered by nudity--and the associated problems--would diminish or vanish entirely if nudity was commonplace. Ms. Kilbourne's talk also touches on this subject in a way you might find enlightening.