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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 24, 2011 19:15:40 GMT -5
#59- Try reading the post before mine. Dittoheads said NATO wouldn'y go along. Then when they do, turns out WE ARE NATO. Pffffft. And STHU if you can't carry on a debate style argument w/o stupid personal insults.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 24, 2011 19:17:12 GMT -5
Got any pertinent facts, small time?
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 24, 2011 19:18:33 GMT -5
The Nato official who was being interviewed also stated this was strictly the No fly zone issue, and no decision was made on military operations from the air concerning attacking Gaddaffi's military forces. Sure are taking out a lot of ground targets for a "no-fly-zone" issue.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 24, 2011 19:24:07 GMT -5
And obviously Democracy was always the idea. Gaddafi is the worst, terrorist and mad dog.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 24, 2011 19:27:13 GMT -5
"Sure are taking out a lot of ground targets for a "no-fly-zone" issue."
UN Resolution also says any measure to protect civilians.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 24, 2011 20:01:21 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 24, 2011 20:04:12 GMT -5
I wanted to respond, but quite frankly, I do not know what to say.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 24, 2011 20:43:19 GMT -5
True genius!! The convolutions pubs and their dupes have to go thru in order to biotch no matter what happens. and I love dupes! Salt of the earth! Just believe too much pub lies fear mongering mythology etc...
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 25, 2011 9:24:41 GMT -5
I wanted to respond, but quite frankly, I do not know what to say. doophus's <sic> (ironic, eh?) would be better applied to those that support military action in one country that we have absolutely no reason being in and don't support military action in another country that we have absolutely no reason being in simply because they're enamored with the POTUS that got us in one but not the other.
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Post by workpublic on Mar 25, 2011 10:01:38 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 25, 2011 10:50:32 GMT -5
I wanted to respond, but quite frankly, I do not know what to say. doophus's <sic> (ironic, eh?) would be better applied to those that support military action in one country that we have absolutely no reason being in and don't support military action in another country that we have absolutely no reason being in simply because they're enamored with the POTUS that got us in one but not the other. Life would be nice if all things were so simple Florida, a simple Black and white way of dealing with things. Real life isn't that simple. Example: Some one causes the death of another. There is not a one stop action against that person who caused the death. There are mitigating circumstances in dealing with the occurrence and range from out right acquittal to the ultimate, death to the one responsible. Same when nations are involved in despites with others. Many things have to be considered, and thats what is happening here. A threat against innocents, demonstrators by the one in power that 28 countries decided could not happen, plus a realization, in this case something might be able to be done to stop this from happening , where in the same kind of occurrence, due to many factors, action would have to be confined to sanctions, pressure on, to try and stop through same actions against the happening. I take it, in your mind, while regrettable, a slaughter of innocents, you would be able to accept no inviolvement by us or others, not better no action taken. Thats your right to feel that way. No criticism, your call. For me and many others, I am glad action is taking place, I just hope it is successful, that is still up in the air.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 25, 2011 12:19:08 GMT -5
#59- Try reading the post before mine. Dittoheads said NATO wouldn'y go along. Then when they do, turns out WE ARE NATO. Pffffft. And STHU if you can't carry on a debate style argument w/o stupid personal insults. "dittoheads" , "And STHU if you can't carry on a debate style argument w/o stupid personal insults" Hypocrite anybody?
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 25, 2011 12:30:18 GMT -5
doophus's <sic> (ironic, eh?) would be better applied to those that support military action in one country that we have absolutely no reason being in and don't support military action in another country that we have absolutely no reason being in simply because they're enamored with the POTUS that got us in one but not the other. Life would be nice if all things were so simple Florida, a simple Black and white way of dealing with things. Real life isn't that simple. Example: Some one causes the death of another. There is not a one stop action against that person who caused the death. There are mitigating circumstances in dealing with the occurrence and range from out right acquittal to the ultimate, death to the one responsible. Same when nations are involved in despites with others. Many things have to be considered, and thats what is happening here. A threat against innocents, demonstrators by the one in power that 28 countries decided could not happen, plus a realization, in this case something might be able to be done to stop this from happening , where in the same kind of occurrence, due to many factors, action would have to be confined to sanctions, pressure on, to try and stop through same actions against the happening. I take it, in your mind, while regrettable, a slaughter of innocents, you would be able to accept no inviolvement by us or others, not better no action taken. Thats your right to feel that way. No criticism, your call. For me and many others, I am glad action is taking place, I just hope it is successful, that is still up in the air. Dezi is good at these superficial philosophies. If a leaf could fall on the ground it could indirectly cause 100 Libyan deaths which would cause 1000 U.S. deaths.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 25, 2011 12:49:29 GMT -5
I take it, in your mind, while regrettable, a slaughter of innocents, you would be able to accept no inviolvement by us or others, not better no action taken. Thats your right to feel that way. No criticism, your call. You'd be wrong because I'm not arguing about whether or not this is a good or bad thing. I'm actually trying to get you to see how hypocritical you sound by strongly supporting another war in a middle eastern country after vehemently opposing a costly Bush war in a middle eastern country that we can't afford and that we have no reason fighting in. Apparently it's a waste of time trying to get you to open your mind and think outside the party propaganda you're drumming on about. Of course you are because it was Obama that made the choice to do it. If it were Bush, you'd be flipping your wig like you have since I started coming to P&M.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 13:17:50 GMT -5
#73-This is a police action, at least until we have troops on the ground, and we were NOT in the lead. So much of the difference between this and other countries is geography (close to sea, EU, and oil.
BTW, the rebels HAVE a gov't that the French recognized some time ago...
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 13:20:34 GMT -5
And of course Gaddafi was the worst terrorist leader for many years. He has no real friends, deservedly..
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 13:26:37 GMT -5
"Of course you are because it was Obama that made the choice to do it. If it were Bush, you'd be flipping your wig like you have since I started coming to P&M."
Actually, 90% of the country was with Bush when he went into Iraq. Then he blew the victory, his lies were found out, and it dragged on for years. Dems go along when it sounds like a good idea, Pubs are the party of NO, no matter what. Newt has totally flopped 3 times on this in 2 weeks, like we have no memory (dittoheads don't seem to)...
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 25, 2011 20:34:43 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 25, 2011 20:44:05 GMT -5
"Of course you are because it was Obama that made the choice to do it. If it were Bush, you'd be flipping your wig like you have since I started coming to P&M." Actually, 90% of the country was with Bush when he went into Iraq. Then he blew the victory, his lies were found out, and it dragged on for years. Dems go along when it sounds like a good idea, Pubs are the party of NO, no matter what. Newt has totally flopped 3 times on this in 2 weeks, like we have no memory (dittoheads don't seem to)... Ok why not just take a deepr breath and after taking a break from all the obnoxious bufoonery and dribble; try to address these 5 very basic question based on all your so called backround reading about this OP: 1. Remove Gadhafi from power, even if it means sending in ground forces 2.Impose the no-fly zone and allow the rebels to do the work 3 Ramp up air assault to destroy Gadhafi's ground forces 4.Pull back and allow the Europeans to run the operation 5. I'm not sure
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 20:58:43 GMT -5
My point stands, thanks for the BS, and the answer is #7, exactly what Obama has done (#2), then let NATO take over, let FR and UK do some more attacks on heavy weapons, and Egypt give some weapons to rebels.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 25, 2011 21:18:06 GMT -5
I would say # 5 Not sure .......... ?? but very glad finally Qatar is now flying Sorties over Libya and as I said before it should be more of the Arab League involvement than the UN....IMHO And you are most welcomed for the BS ...just trying to match some of yours but probably not even close..
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 25, 2011 21:42:27 GMT -5
This is a article from "Debka", not sure if it is true or conjecture. If true, seems a lot of confusion as to what is really happening in the air... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.debka.com/article/20790/--------------------------------------------------- "The Arab component of the Western-Arab anti-Qaddafi coalition, the pre-condition for NATO participation, has faded away since the Arab League's Secretary Amr Moussa developed cold feet after his initial wholehearted support for the operation. In any case, only one Arab country, Qatar, was willing to put up four warplanes for the no-fly zone. Based in Italy, the Qatari pilots have since been directed by Emir Sheikh Al-Thani to cross the Mediterranean only up to the point where the Libyan coast is visible – not an inch further. The United Arab Emirates, initially reported as offering to take part in the Libya mission, has not sent a single plane." ------------------------------------------------------------------ [Click on links to read article }
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 21:57:35 GMT -5
I don't do psychobabble, and it's "drivel" .
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 25, 2011 22:06:54 GMT -5
I don't do psychobabble, and it's "drivel" . So?? Da nehmen.. Tooo bad we don't have spell check for gut Deutsch Herr Hello from Warsaw....would not want to make a grammatical or spelling error.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 25, 2011 22:38:33 GMT -5
Nur so als Zwischenfrage: Hast du mal das auf deutsch übersetzt, was du da als Problem hineinkopiert hast? Weil dann hättest du ja die Lösung
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 26, 2011 9:40:38 GMT -5
Nur so als Zwischenfrage: Hast du mal das auf deutsch übersetzt, was du da als Problem hineinkopiert hast? Weil dann hättest du ja die Lösung Translation = #$@$&^%$#@ (bleeped)..
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 26, 2011 14:30:20 GMT -5
German wise, I only speak Hofbrauhaus. Pfumf (?) bier, bitte! ... Vive l'Uniom Europeenne Franco-Allemande!! and hey- this is GD cheap non war...try and remain calm thru this 24/7 complaint cycle...we are NOT broke, fear mongered people...
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 26, 2011 15:07:02 GMT -5
German wise, I only speak Hofbrauhaus. Pfumf (?) bier, bitte! ... Vive l'Uniom Europeenne Franco-Allemande!! and hey- this is GD cheap non war...try and remain calm thru this 24/7 complaint cycle...we are NOT broke, fear mongered people... hellofromwarsaw....would you like to be introduced to Ms Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church) who is thinking about joining this message board? You two have a lot in common and I think will make a great team.. I told her about you on Twitter and she said she would like to get to know you since you speak three languages and know so much about Religion, Fine Arts, History, and Government...and she is very impressed with your background ..I also said on twitter that you like to Ego Surf a lot, and that is her thing too..
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 26, 2011 16:19:49 GMT -5
Haha, if you guys want a good laugh check out Ms Phelps on youtube. Any question during an interview is pretty much answered with: "HOW DO YOU ASK ME THAT YOU HEATHEN, YOU'LL BURN IN HELL AND THEN YOU'LL KNOW I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE YOU'LL BE BURNING IN HELL!" It's pretty funny, even I, as a Christian can laugh at her. Anyway, back on topic. I won't answer whether we should have gone into the war in Libya or not, but if we do (and we have) then it needs to be to get Qaddafi out of power. Why else would we be spending the money/lives/effort to do it if we didn't expect to bring about some change in the country? In other words, if we as a nation commit to something then we should know what our endgame is and we should devote our resources to achieve that goal. Do you guys think to yourselves, well I'd like to retire with a million bucks so I'll put $10 a month in my IRA and hope for a miracle? Well the military is more interested in results than miracles, so the basic idea is that our elected officials should put their heads together and come up with a result they would like and then the military will achieve that result. This whole business of "we'll go to war, but we won't be at war" is political wishy-wash. Either do something or don't do it. You guys decide and if that hurts your election chances sorry about your luck. Agree with you Ratc...it's not a game, I can see there staying away from the ground gorces till they got the majority of the air defenses taken care of, and it gave the ones in power, thinking commanders of G forces more then the man himself, a idea of their impotency in stiopping a onslought, and also save the blood shed that wouldn't go down well in the surrounding arab nations. See how upset the Arab League when they saw a bit of what a war is like, but now, enough warnings , being nice guys, we are at war, his troops , vhickles , it the coalation can destroy them , they should. Some one has to tell these Presidents., all of them, other countries leaders ,including ours too, there is only one way to fight a war, less nuclear, different level of, but let the air power do it, give the enemy the word what is in store if they stay in the field and it will only get worse.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 26, 2011 16:35:50 GMT -5
It's different OF COURSE from Iraq and Afgan, we're NOT nationbuilding, we're helping the democrats, stopping the massacre of them. End of Arab barbarism, a great development....
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