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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 22, 2011 21:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2011 9:28:49 GMT -5
Wow, no takers. Interesting. I would have thought that when you add it all up, it's easy to get the picture: Iraq- still there. Afghanistan- still there. Gitmo- still open. Patriot Act- re-upped. Now we have another war in for regime change that has the potential to result in nation-building. Can anyone say "Bush Doctrine"
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Post by magichat on Mar 23, 2011 9:30:18 GMT -5
Yep, I'm still confused on why the Bush fans aren't cheering this guy instead of accusing him of being a socialist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 9:30:19 GMT -5
It goes to show you that it doesn't matter who sits in the Oval Office. The results is more of the same.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2011 9:32:56 GMT -5
Yep, I'm still confused on why the Bush fans aren't cheering this guy instead of accusing him of being a socialist. They ARE cheering him. The NEO-cons love this. It's just that there are about as many Bush fans as there are Obama fans, so it's hard to hear their tiny little voices.
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Post by magichat on Mar 23, 2011 9:35:41 GMT -5
Yeah, but Savior was always a great Bush apologist, where is he now?
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 23, 2011 9:37:44 GMT -5
After Ghaddaffi is gone, who takes over? It is not like there has been an undergound group fomenting revolution for 40 years there, with a plan to actually run the country after the Government falls.
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Post by workpublic on Mar 23, 2011 11:12:45 GMT -5
I wonder which Marine Unit will be deployed first?
PI any in side scoop?
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Post by wyouser on Mar 23, 2011 12:32:39 GMT -5
From the Halls of Montzuma to the shores of Tripoli.....Deja vou...
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Post by rockon on Mar 23, 2011 12:59:55 GMT -5
Would our government use force if a rebel group tried to over throw the government? Heck Obama and the liberals aren't even a little bit pleased and try to marginalize groups like the Tea Party who peacefully protest against them or express rage and disdain for a media outlet like FOX news who dare to disagree with their policies. I think if anyone in this country did the same you would see blood in our streets too. We're not as different from these countries as we sometimes like to think.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 23, 2011 13:01:36 GMT -5
I wonder which Marine Unit will be deployed first? PI any in side scoop? 26 th MEU Marines rescue downed pilot after fighter jet crashes in Libya 3/22/2011 By Staff, Headquarters Marine Corps ARLINGTON, Va. — Marines from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit rescued a U.S. Air Force pilot downed in Libya March 22. The F-15E Strike Eagle crashed in northeast Libya March 21 while flying in support of Operation Odyssey Dawn, the joint coalition enforcing U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 to protect the Libyan people from the country’s ruler. Using two AV/8B Harriers, two MV-22 Ospreys and two CH-53E Super Stallions carrying a quick reaction force, the Camp Lejeune, N.C., based Marines conducted a Tactical Recovery of Aircraft and Personnel mission to recover the pilot. The Marine aircraft began launching off the the USS Kearsarge, which was roughly 130 nautical miles from the pilot - within 30 minutes of the crash - according to a senior Marine officer in the Pentagon. Marine officials attributed the quick reaction time to the versatility of the Osprey. "Total time from launch to return - 90 minutes roundtrip. That's what an Osprey gets you, that speed," the official said. According to official reports, the Harrier close air support element dropped two laser-guided 500-pound bombs in the area in support of the downed pilot. One MV-22 Osprey landed and extracted the pilot. Once extracted, the aircraft returned to the USS Kearsarge with the pilot. Navy Lt. Lauren A. Weber, a doctor with the 26th MEU, said the pilot returned in good condition. The cause of the crash is still under investigation and the names of the pilots will be released pending next-of-kin notification. The recovery force remains on standby while aviation assets are conducting operations in any environment. All seven Marine expeditionary units are trained, equipped and ready to conduct similar missions when called upon. Related Resources 26th MEU aims to safeguard Libyans, key city Photos of TRAP operations www.dvidshub.net/image/322695/trap-exercise www.marines.mil/unit/hqmc/Pages/Marines-rescue-downed-pilot-after-fighter-jet-crashes-in-Libya.aspx
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 23, 2011 13:09:20 GMT -5
After Ghaddaffi is gone, who takes over? It is not like there has been an undergound group fomenting revolution for 40 years there, with a plan to actually run the country after the Government falls. Gaddafi as one knowledgeable talking head said the other day, has not been a friend to us for over 30 years, or to anyone. To hold off from physically removeing him yet going after Ben Laden is ok, to this Talking head , makes no sense. He , Gaddafi, has fermented excursions into Africa, the blowing up the nightclub in Germany, the financing of terrorist groups across the land, his own brutality of his people, the blowing up of th Air liner, how many innocent lives lost, including fellow Americans, so who ever came in , and no I don't believe it's a automatic Brother Hood , take over, will be better then now, especially since to expect him to not remember the coalition attempt to remove him from power and get some payback is a real possibility. With his egomaniac personality, connections to terrorist groups that $ can buy, wealth, it is estimated in gold reserves in the country alone, they total a bit under $7 Billion, if one can image , as well as his Billions secreted around the globe, to not finish him is just asking for trouble with a capital T. Also to consider, Yemen. The one in power is a despot true, but he is also friendly to us and the West in the fight against Al Quida, and if he steps down, Al Quida would love it, a impoverished country, one of the most of that ilk in the world, many young disenfranchised youth and a home for more to go to, a nation state as a home , with all it's remoteness, to set up camps as they are now, for training , in most cases in secret , seclusion, to go out and let loose what ever terror for their agenda they wish. Simple solutions here in a way, get involved, don't get involved, just vote, , there is more to being a POTUS, then meets the eye.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Mar 23, 2011 13:10:49 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_IraqOn August 19, 2010, the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division was the last US combat brigade to withdraw from Iraq. About 50,000 US troops will remain in the country in an advisory capacity. According to the US, they will help to train Iraqi forces in a new mission dubbed by the US as "Operation New Dawn," which will run until the end of 2011. thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/150523-house-rejects-resolution-calling-for-afghanistan-withdrawalHouse rejects resolution calling for Afghanistan troop withdrawal By Pete Kasperowicz - 03/17/11 03:30 PM ET The House on Thursday voted down a resolution that would have instructed the Obama administration to remove U.S. troops from Afghanistan, but the measure won more support than a similar resolution did in 2010. So, did Obama hypnotize the Republican controlled HoR or something? Come on, Obama bashers, pin this on him somehow... Oh, and wah! We're broke!!!! This has been progressing painfully slow. Once in a while someone gets tried. But slow progress is better than no progress. Yeah, I wish this would go away. Well, you got one. Ssshh, the socialist part is in the "Obama is just like Carter" threads. So I guess Carter's just like Bush, and he's a neo-Conservative like Reagan, so ergo they're all the same. Isn't your ass sore from pulling things out of it all of the time? Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtmlObama's is anywhere around 40-50%, so it's close to double at worst.
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Post by workpublic on Mar 23, 2011 13:15:50 GMT -5
26 th MEU
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 23, 2011 13:25:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 13:46:54 GMT -5
Yep, I'm still confused on why the Bush fans aren't cheering this guy instead of accusing him of being a socialist. Cause he is a socialist? by installing a democratic system that respects the people’s will.”Boy I could say something on this one. I just don't understand why we need to be in Libya's business. America is hated the world over for doing stuff like this (screwing around with other countries governments) & yet we just keep doing it. How would we feel if say Mexico were to start trying to change our government. Heck I don't even like President Obama doing it & he is an American.
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Post by magichat on Mar 23, 2011 13:48:56 GMT -5
Yep, I'm still confused on why the Bush fans aren't cheering this guy instead of accusing him of being a socialist. Cause he is a socialist? and Bush wasn't?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 23, 2011 13:56:32 GMT -5
Wow, you're really misinformed. Obama doubled down on Gitmo and is even weighing indefinite detention, including detention after acquittal. Try to keep up with the Obama flip flops: www.talkleft.com/story/2009/7/8/15175/41817\
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 23, 2011 15:05:31 GMT -5
Regarding Guantanamo, the holding of the folks there, it seems the Republicans would not support funds to move them to the states.
The empty prison, a new one, maximum security , that they would be moved to, the funds would not be there, to use for that purpose so I guess as much as he would like to move them, he is a realist and for now, going with the flow.
It was also disappointing that the one who was tried here, and got a long sentence, with all the charges brought against him, he was only convicted on one of them, granted a major one, but it seems some in the justice department feel that civilian trials would be to iffy , with the right of those courts of dismissing charges if they found information gotten from interrogations were violations of right of the accused.
Thus not that enthusiastic in bringing those people before civilian courts.
These are the facts of , and that decisions change is one of the things of life.
Those from the ultra left who don't understand that and just criticize the POTUS for not implementing what he promised during his campaign and not understanding the reality, just a few I brought out above, well they should get real and under stand S happens and in this case, so far, the realities are what they are and while disappointed, their right also be more understanding, IMHO.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 23, 2011 18:11:21 GMT -5
Nation builder! Warmonger! Cowboy diplomacy! Torturer!!
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 23, 2011 18:29:39 GMT -5
In watching CNN now , commentators are in agreement that Obama has to go before the country and explain his feelings on Iraq, clarify for the American people as mixed signals are coming out of Washington, all are in agreement here, these are those liberal ones too. LOL Clarify, "Gaddafi's has to go ", is that regime change, and then I guess , with out giving away secrets, how we will do this with the coalition.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 23, 2011 18:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 23, 2011 22:29:21 GMT -5
"Now is the time to go forward, We've got to move forward, And that is why I need your Support for Odyssey Dawn" >>> President Barrack Hussein Obama (44th President of the United States) Note: I don't know but "Odyssey Dawn" sounds to me like a rock band..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 11:05:57 GMT -5
Yep, I'm still confused on why the Bush fans aren't cheering this guy instead of accusing him of being a socialist.
Cause he is a socialist?
and Bush wasn't?
Nope. While he didn't try to get rid of social programs (almost impossible once they are started), he didn't try to start new ones (like President Obama).
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 24, 2011 11:06:29 GMT -5
Obama's New Mission in Lybia: Install Democracy!
Not quite accurate IMHO Obama hasn't really addressed this but has said he was very moved to do somehing in Libya because he thought that as long as Khadahfy stayed in power he would try to destroy his own people to keep his power...so he wants Khadahfy to leave ...and who knows what is happening behind the scene??
But hopefull our 44th President should try to do a better job of communicating to us about our mission in Libyan and how he will complete that mission or goal?? Just an old man's opinion who has seen and worked for better communicators in the White House as my Commander in Chief....
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 24, 2011 11:24:40 GMT -5
Obama= the "Democator"
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 24, 2011 12:21:16 GMT -5
In watching CNN now , commentators are in agreement that Obama has to go before the country and explain his feelings on Iraq, clarify for the American people as mixed signals are coming out of Washington, all are in agreement here, these are those liberal ones too. LOL Clarify, "Gaddafi's has to go ", is that regime change, and then I guess , with out giving away secrets, how we will do this with the coalition. Well, if the commentators on CNN say so...then, by golly, Mr. Obama had better obey!
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 24, 2011 12:45:37 GMT -5
In watching CNN now , commentators are in agreement that ABM has to go before the country and explain his feelings on Iraq, clarify for the American people as mixed signals are coming out of Washington, all are in agreement here, these are those liberal ones too. LIL Clarify, "Gaddafi's has to go ", is that regime change, and then I guess , with out giving away secrets, how we will do this with the coalition. Well, if the commentators on CNN say so...then, by golly, Mr. ABM had better obey! Why do you think I watch CNN, they have clout. Actually Wolf Spritzer, their, CNN's anchor, suggested that the cost of this little UN incursion be paid for from some of those billions that have been frozen by US and European nations. I believe at first a tongue in cheek observation but now, he has brought it up with congressionals who are being interviewed on his shows, they seem taken aback by it, a lo of ah, well, mmm's, so possible he is planting a seed, I wonder if any real consideration is being given to that possibility. If , G-d forbid, Qaddafi prevails here, well the funds are really his so no guilt on taking from him , even being given to opposition forces to finally remove him from power, after coalition costs deducted first. and if he is deposed, the cost of doing so, cost of doing business actually to accomplish whhat was needed, no one gets a free ride, Libyans , new government and leadership, shouldn't object and if they do, well let them sue. To me Wolfs suggestion does make some sense, especially since wars today, even little ones, with high level assets being used, costs of, are through the roof and nations involved are in dire financial straits today.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 24, 2011 12:50:40 GMT -5
and Bush wasn't? Nope. While he didn't try to get rid of social programs (almost impossible once they are started), he didn't try to start new ones (like President Obama). Bush was more of a closet big government liberal IMHO.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 24, 2011 12:51:13 GMT -5
Well, if the commentators on CNN say so...then, by golly, Mr. Obama had better obey!We also have our resident Commentator here as one of our more eloquent and very highly esteemed members of this auspicious group of political wonks...he even made my day and gave me a passing grade (neutral) for moderating a bunch of crazies..
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