imawino
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Post by imawino on Jan 13, 2017 14:24:09 GMT -5
"I'm looking for specific examples.
Something like: "In an early episode the main character comes in raving 'Black people got too many cats.' It's a part of a running theme in the show where black people can't stand black cats. They're superstitious about them.""
Virgil I don't know if you are trying to play us, but situational comedies aren't like that. If you want specific examples you are going to watch an episode or some clips yourself. These comedies are about characters in situations. Different situations, because otherwise why watch? The closest most come to running themes is character habits. Any example is likely to be unique to that particular episode. All I know is that if I stated that a sitcom I'd watched made me "acknowledge black people deal with some different circumstances that (sic) I do as a white person", I'd be able to provide examples to support the statement. If the examples happen to be character habits or are unique to one episode: fine. So, you're not interested in the show, you're just interested in casting lame aspersions at "race baiters, snowflakes and 'social justice' activists? I am SHOCKED, I tell ya! I'm interested in ideas. Specifically, VB's comment about feeling guilty and swamp's answer in Reply #4. I have no idea what a snowflake is supposed to be, and I don't know why you have social justice in quotes like it's not a real thing. But I'm going out on a limb and saying that you should have just typed what you meant: liberals. "Snowflake" is a neologism for an individual who takes offense easily, especially on behalf of other people. "Social justice" is in quotes because it's a subjective label. Neither term is synonymous with "liberal". Also, step into the modern era, for god's sake. If the only differences between black and white circumstances you could possibly conjure up all come straight out of the 1970's you need to talk to a more diverse group of people once in a while. The group of people I talk to is already diverse, and making it more so isn't going to answer my question. My understanding of Americans is that you're culturally sensitive about race to the degree that it's a verboten topic. You are my witness that several posters in this thread have already gone off. It struck me as odd that your countrymen would tolerate a comedy about black circumstances. I was curious about what kinds of jokes/issues get a pass from the PC police. I'm also curious about whether the show features content Americans would deem "racist" if it wasn't self-deprecating. If I get a chance to watch it when I'm near a TV sometime, I'll take a peek. But I digress. Opti : When you say "the importance of church", is Christianity a big part of the show? Do the characters generally have Christian values? (My thanks in advance for indulging me.  ) Do you actually believe that? You truly believe that in all of Canada, no people of color experience any biases, come from a different perspective, have any slightly different cultural norms? You cannot possibly.
www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/07/31/the-suffocating-experience-of-being-black-in-canada.html
rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/views-expressed/2016/09/unlearning-anti-black-racism-101-stop-canadiansplaining
"Canadiansplaining" usually entails these people making me aware of how even though Black folks in Canada are subjected to systemic anti-Black racism "because no one is perfect" it is not as bad as in the States.
This usually also implies that I, as a Black person in Canada, should be so grateful I am in the multicultural wonderland of Canada as opposed to the evil US of A, home of The Donald.
Sometimes, it will involve telling me how my experience or the experience of Black people in Canada is so much better than that of indigenous peoples.
Whatever is said, the overall message is: SHUT UP and Stop Talking about Anti-Black Racism in Canada.
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imawino
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Post by imawino on Jan 13, 2017 14:28:15 GMT -5
You're a smart guy, I shouldn't have to. No, I get it. Say the wrong thing and you'll have snowflakes nipping at your heels. Best to just keep quiet. I'll never understand why you guys will call something "racism" unless it's dressed up as black celebrities making fun of their own race, in which case it's perfectly acceptable. Not all of you, but enough that it's the norm. I'm sure the all-white producers of "Blackish" are appreciative of the loophole, at any rate. And they get to vent at Pres. Trump to boot. Acknowledging different perspectives is not remotely the same thing as "black people making fun of their own race". Although being self-deprecating is just as okay for black people as it is for white. No one gets their knickers in a twist over some white dude joking around that he's got no rhythm. |
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 13, 2017 15:26:15 GMT -5
Maybe I have missed it and someone did comment on the use of the word "irrational" in the original post. However, I have not seen it and its use really pisses me off! Who are you to claim that this fear is irrational? It may be wrong or misguided but that will only be proven over time.
And I have to say from the hatred and bile I have seen spewed since the election I am afraid that this fear will be proven very rational indeed. I just hope that I will be proven wrong. 
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 13, 2017 15:34:14 GMT -5
Of course there's a black culture. There are black clubs, black festivals, black restaurants, black parades, etc.
it's not the SAME as American black culture, because it's Caribbean and African, but it's there.
I enjoy it.
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Post by imawino on Jan 13, 2017 15:47:49 GMT -5
Of course there's a black culture. There are black clubs, black festivals, black restaurants, black parades, etc. it's not the SAME as American black culture, because it's Caribbean and African, but it's there. I enjoy it. "Black culture" is not the same all throughout the US - there are plenty of areas in the US where the black population is predominantly Caribbean or African as well. I doubt that "black culture" across the entirety of Canada is all the same either. Although the black population in Canada is miniscule compared to the US, so who knows.
But anyway, we're all wrong because according to Virgil, black people in Canada are just darker skinned white people.
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 13, 2017 16:44:21 GMT -5
Although being self-deprecating is just as okay for black people as it is for white. No one gets their knickers in a twist over some white dude joking around that he's got no rhythm. Because nobody gives a damn about anybody joking about some white dude having no rhythm. Acknowledging different perspectives is not remotely the same thing as "black people making fun of their own race". Although being self-deprecating is just as okay for black people as it is for white. No one gets their knickers in a twist over some white dude joking around that he's got no rhythm. Well, since nobody here can provide actual examples of "acknowledging different perspectives", and the YouTube clips all look like "black people making fun of their own race" to me, I'm afraid you've lost me here.  Of course there's a black culture. There are black clubs, black festivals, black restaurants, black parades, etc. it's not the SAME as American black culture, because it's Caribbean and African, but it's there. I enjoy it. It's not 'a' culture, though. It's a semi-homogenized mixture of dozens of cultures, the same as for whites. In this thread we're very clearly talking about 'a'--singular--black culture in America, characterized by 'a' set of circumstances, as the unifying theme in a sitcom. You of all people should be helping me to explain to Americans why we're talking about apples and oranges. |
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