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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 5, 2017 11:31:30 GMT -5
I don't particularly approve of his methods either, but I trust what he puts out more than I trust the CIA. That's not an endorsement of Mr. Assange as much as it is an indictment of the CIA. The regrettable fact is they needed to pull a huge boogeyman out of a hat to sell America on their censorship initiatives (short term goal) and a new and much-needed Cold War with Russia (long term goal), and "Vladimir Putin personally hacked the DNC" was the only evil great enough to qualify. Hence that's the narrative.
A bit of deception for a "good purpose". It's what the CIA does. What media do you read or listen to?
We don't need a Cold War with Russia nor is anyone I know of suggesting such. I don't think I've even read anything that definitely links the hack back to Putin only that they believe it was authorized, Ok'd by the Kremlin. Apparently Russia has a deep fear of what the election of Hillary Clinton could have meant to the sovernity of Russia so they do have a real motive for smearing Hillary.
'Beware they are not our friends' IMO is a much better narrative than Trump's 'Putin could be one of the best things for the US' narrative.
Nobody openly suggests a new cold war with Russia is needed. Crash course on US international politics: - The US deep state lives in a so-called "unipolar world", which was the de facto state of affairs for a time after the USSR collapsed. The US was a superpower and the only real superpower for close to two decades.
- Enter the 21st Century. US influence declined markedly while the influence of the Asian axis (Russia, China, India) swelled to rival and even exceed it in many parts of the world, including the Ukraine and Syria.
- The US deep state liked living in a unipolar world. They dream of clinging to those days of yore. But if they can't put the genie back in the bottle, they'll strive for the next best thing, which is to gear up to do battle with the Asian axis. To them, doing nothing is a sign of weakness and vulnerability. Making friends is a sign of weakness and vulnerability. (They may well be right. The world is a brutal place.) Hence the only alternative in their minds is escalation, meaning a new Cold War with Russia.
- Ms. Clinton was and has always been a neocon's best friend when it comes to US foreign policy. She'd proven her worth by destroying Libya and Syria as Secretary of State, and any reasonable person--including her supporters in the MIC--knew she'd be an ally to anyone wanting to escalate with Russia. She's a globalist. A non-unipolar world is the biggest threat to globalism there is. The enemy of my enemy...
- Pres. Trump, on the other hand, is a loose cannon. He might attack the Russians. He might not. He might nuke Moscow. He might go on a horse back riding trip with Pres. Putin. He might make a hat out of ice cream sandwiches and wear it to Times Square.
The point is that he's fickle, unstable, and clueless much of the time. He's like a boy with superpowers that everybody wants to manipulate to their own ends. Even if he's "on side", he might change his mind the next day. He might change it twice. He's a puddle of mercury.
- The CIA, one of the main organs of the deep state, is no stranger to information warfare. They needed to come up with a plan that makes them relevant, gives them a pretext to gird up for war against the Asian axis, and grants them leverage over the puddle of mercury in the White House. So what did they do?
They did what they're good at. Pointing fingers. Spreading rumours and insinuations. Getting people scared. Casting aspersions on whoever they feel threatened by.
- Was Russia involved with the DNC hacks? Maybe. Maybe not. Most people don't really care when an "attack" is airing a political party's sins and the media's complicity, and the attacker's putative motivation is keeping a neocon out of the White House.
I think it's very possible that the Kremlin decided to bet on a loose cannon rather than Hillary Clinton, and thus Moscow told one of their hacker groups to do what it could to "enlighten" the American public. But it's also possible--even likely--the Russians had nothing to do with it. The CIA has an ulterior motive either way, and I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.
Whether the allegations are true or not, the fact remains that the only reason the CIA publicized them is because it serves their interest in escalating with Russia. Without Ms. Clinton in the White House, they needed a hastily thought-up backup plan, and this is it.
How will Pres. Trump respond? Will he play ball? Will he retaliate and cut back the agencies? Will he stick an oboe up his nose and tootle "All Hail the Chief"? Nobody knows. You're in for quite a ride.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Jan 5, 2017 12:23:11 GMT -5
Not rational at all..Great Britain is broke...no longer a member of EU, last thing British public would support is a confrontation with Russia..Merkel, still strong, but has her own problems with ultra nationalist, skin heads and Germans upset with her granting entrance to country of so many, over a million, refugees from Syria...and finally..Obama leaves office in less then three weeks...his sanctions against Russia accepted bt Russia as they,,[Putin} knew did wrong.. U have a new POTUS coming in who has said and seems to be demonstrating his desire to play nice with Russia and their super strong, possible PM for life..and if he doesn't give in and do away with sanctions..unless privatly promised down the road..we can see sanctions by Russia..[Putin] against USA diplomats ..kind of expected... We both would survive such a thing...not going to go to war over..both sides together have over 14,000 nuclear war heads on all kinds of delivery systems..last thing wanted..forgetting the nuclear...a grunt on any side getting excited..letting some rounds fly and actually hitting a grunt from the other side..then it might start,,,, No, no one wants any of that and believe all parties are smart enough to understand that and take precautions....well all parties but have no clue about our knee jerk new one who is just coming on board..[sigh]
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Post by dondub on Jan 5, 2017 13:56:18 GMT -5
It's SOP for a political party to add up the votes on any bill. If they know it's going to pass without any of their votes they can abstain and then crow about it later. Which they have in spades. Unfortunately for them, instead of using their majority power to tweak the ACA and make it better, they are now stuck with attempting to undo it, with no alternative plan in place. It has been more successful than they pretend. So go ahead, blow it up, and lose the majority in 2018.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Jan 5, 2017 17:23:34 GMT -5
Seems one of our top security folks, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, is saying Russias interference in our electorial doings consists of much more then just hacking e mail servers...so at odds with President elect ETrump who still , it seems, is questioning the Russians involvement. ---------------------------------------------------- To read complete article click on link below www.yahoo.com/news/dni-russias-election-interference-went-far-beyond-hacks-173246915.html----------------------------------------------- Intelligence chief: Russia’s election interference went far beyond hacks Yahoo News Michael Walsh Reporter Yahoo NewsJanuary 5, 2017 "Director of National Intelligence James Clapper says the Russian government’s interference with the United States election went far beyond the now highly publicized hacks of Democratic email accounts, which were merely one part of a multilayered campaign of propaganda and deception.
The intelligence leader outlined various methods wielded by Moscow to interfere with U.S. institutions during Thursday morning testimony on cyberattacks before the Senate Armed Services Committee.
The testimony comes at a point of tension between the U.S. intelligence community and Donald Trump. The president-elect, set to meet with intelligence brass on Friday, has repeatedly cast doubt on the U.S. government’s conclusion that Russian state-sponsored cyberattacks sought to influence the election.
At the hearing, Sen. Martin Heinrich, D-N.M., asked Clapper if he could address not only classified information but also the relevance of publicly available information in seeing the full picture of Russia’s activities.
“While there has been a lot of focus on the hacking, this is actually part of a multifaceted campaign that the Russians mounted,” Clapper told the committee."
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 5, 2017 17:31:02 GMT -5
djAdvocate , you were wondering about this earlier. From Dezi's link: He said Russia would exploit any crack in the United States’ integrity — such as the nation’s alleged hypocrisy about human rights — through social media, fake news, propaganda and so on.
The totality of Russia’s effort, regardless of its ultimate impact, was a concern to Clapper as both an intelligence official and as a U.S. citizen, he said.
Earlier in the testimony, Clapper said the campaign against the U.S. also entailed the kind of “classical propaganda” that Russia has long used, especially when “promulgating disinformation.”
Marcel Lettre, the under secretary of defense for intelligence, said the U.S. needs to look at ways to “impose costs” against adversaries for such actions on a case-by-case basis as they arise. The U.S. can work to deter and respond to attacks through methods like President Obama’s recent sanctions, but they can be much broader as well, he said. They really are shooting the moon with this thing. Only they get to propagandize us, damn it!
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jan 5, 2017 17:42:27 GMT -5
The reason Sweden cannot be trusted is that some very powerful people can put enormous pressure on. If he goes to US he could face the death penalty........and a lot of people would like nothing better.
If we were to trust someone......I'd go Assange over the CIA any day...... for the simple reason that he doesn't have a dog in the race. Wikileaks publish anything that they think is in the public interest......and that includes Trump (if they had anything on him)
As for the Russian hacking...... Whether they did it or not... we don't really know for sure.
.......but we should remember when it comes to espionage and interference in other peoples Countries.......the CIA do it more than most.
They need to be careful when banding about accusations.
Its not for me to comment on who should have won the US elections...... ....but the feeling on this side of the pond was that it was not about who could do the best for the Country....but who could do the least damage. Its only astonishing that in a Country as big and as important as the US... that the field was so lacking.
I'd love to know how the meeting between Trump and the CIA goes tomorrow..... He doesn't believe a word they are saying.
Oh what a tangled web we weave.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 5, 2017 20:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Jan 5, 2017 20:55:15 GMT -5
What media do you read or listen to?
We don't need a Cold War with Russia nor is anyone I know of suggesting such. I don't think I've even read anything that definitely links the hack back to Putin only that they believe it was authorized, Ok'd by the Kremlin. Apparently Russia has a deep fear of what the election of Hillary Clinton could have meant to the sovernity of Russia so they do have a real motive for smearing Hillary.
'Beware they are not our friends' IMO is a much better narrative than Trump's 'Putin could be one of the best things for the US' narrative.
Um, are you serious right now? This was standard Democratic Party dogma from the 1950's - 1980's. And frankly- they were right. I'm serious. I thought Virgil was actually talking about now, 2016. (Trump's race to the past won't actually take us back to the 1950s or even the 1980s. )
Now if you want to address having a Cold War with Russia over 25 plus years ago, go for it. Could Putin even approve hacking in the 1950's?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 5, 2017 21:01:43 GMT -5
Um, are you serious right now? This was standard Democratic Party dogma from the 1950's - 1980's. And frankly- they were right. I'm serious. I thought Virgil was actually talking about now, 2016. (Trump's race to the past won't actually take us back to the 1950s or even the 1980s. )
Now if you want to address having a Cold War with Russia over 25 plus years ago, go for it. Could Putin even approve hacking in the 1950's?
If you don't see the intelligence community which Trump has stated he is going to revamp circling the wagons right now and trying to justify their existence via this scary Russians are coming.
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Post by Opti on Jan 5, 2017 21:07:29 GMT -5
What media do you read or listen to?
We don't need a Cold War with Russia nor is anyone I know of suggesting such. I don't think I've even read anything that definitely links the hack back to Putin only that they believe it was authorized, Ok'd by the Kremlin. Apparently Russia has a deep fear of what the election of Hillary Clinton could have meant to the sovernity of Russia so they do have a real motive for smearing Hillary.
'Beware they are not our friends' IMO is a much better narrative than Trump's 'Putin could be one of the best things for the US' narrative.
Nobody openly suggests a new cold war with Russia is needed. Crash course on US international politics: - The US deep state lives in a so-called "unipolar world", which was the de facto state of affairs for a time after the USSR collapsed. The US was a superpower and the only real superpower for close to two decades.
- Enter the 21st Century. US influence declined markedly while the influence of the Asian axis (Russia, China, India) swelled to rival and even exceed it in many parts of the world, including the Ukraine and Syria.
- The US deep state liked living in a unipolar world. They dream of clinging to those days of yore. But if they can't put the genie back in the bottle, they'll strive for the next best thing, which is to gear up to do battle with the Asian axis. To them, doing nothing is a sign of weakness and vulnerability. Making friends is a sign of weakness and vulnerability. (They may well be right. The world is a brutal place.) Hence the only alternative in their minds is escalation, meaning a new Cold War with Russia.
- Ms. Clinton was and has always been a neocon's best friend when it comes to US foreign policy. She'd proven her worth by destroying Libya and Syria as Secretary of State, and any reasonable person--including her supporters in the MIC--knew she'd be an ally to anyone wanting to escalate with Russia. She's a globalist. A non-unipolar world is the biggest threat to globalism there is. The enemy of my enemy...
- Pres. Trump, on the other hand, is a loose cannon. He might attack the Russians. He might not. He might nuke Moscow. He might go on a horse back riding trip with Pres. Putin. He might make a hat out of ice cream sandwiches and wear it to Times Square.
The point is that he's fickle, unstable, and clueless much of the time. He's like a boy with superpowers that everybody wants to manipulate to their own ends. Even if he's "on side", he might change his mind the next day. He might change it twice. He's a puddle of mercury.
- The CIA, one of the main organs of the deep state, is no stranger to information warfare. They needed to come up with a plan that makes them relevant, gives them a pretext to gird up for war against the Asian axis, and grants them leverage over the puddle of mercury in the White House. So what did they do?
They did what they're good at. Pointing fingers. Spreading rumours and insinuations. Getting people scared. Casting aspersions on whoever they feel threatened by.
- Was Russia involved with the DNC hacks? Maybe. Maybe not. Most people don't really care when an "attack" is airing a political party's sins and the media's complicity, and the attacker's putative motivation is keeping a neocon out of the White House.
I think it's very possible that the Kremlin decided to bet on a loose cannon rather than Hillary Clinton, and thus Moscow told one of their hacker groups to do what it could to "enlighten" the American public. But it's also possible--even likely--the Russians had nothing to do with it. The CIA has an ulterior motive either way, and I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.
Whether the allegations are true or not, the fact remains that the only reason the CIA publicized them is because it serves their interest in escalating with Russia. Without Ms. Clinton in the White House, they needed a hastily thought-up backup plan, and this is it.
How will Pres. Trump respond? Will he play ball? Will he retaliate and cut back the agencies? Will he stick an oboe up his nose and tootle "All Hail the Chief"? Nobody knows. You're in for quite a ride. OK, you could have stuck with a concise version of the bolded. Its your opinion that the CIA wants to start a Cold War with Russia or rumble about it. I don't agree. The CIA might have an ulterior motive, but so does Russia, and Assange.
It is important to me whether Russia was involved or not, and how much.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Jan 5, 2017 21:17:44 GMT -5
"I can understand that perfectly...this calling for passwords over any and everything may be fine for u younger folks who were brought up with it and use to it...for some of us..not the most literate on computers and tech..a real pain in the butt..Give u one example and then tell me it is no problem A neace a little while ago was setting me up on face book...wanted for my password..whatever the word PLUS six numbers... thus a password would be like as a example.."password123456"...u think that is perfectly normal, something no one might have a problem with ? Multiply that on all the sites and whatevers where passwords are called for..there is just sdo much room on my desk drawer to write on... I have passwords floating around haven't a clue...now try to keep it simple...My financials very concerned about..others..no bother..
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Post by Opti on Jan 5, 2017 21:23:17 GMT -5
I'm serious. I thought Virgil was actually talking about now, 2016. (Trump's race to the past won't actually take us back to the 1950s or even the 1980s. )
Now if you want to address having a Cold War with Russia over 25 plus years ago, go for it. Could Putin even approve hacking in the 1950's?
If you don't see the intelligence community which Trump has stated he is going to revamp circling the wagons right now and trying to justify their existence via this scary Russians are coming. While that is a possible narrative, it also could just be wishful thinking and propaganda from the right and the Trump camp.
If they want to justify their existence there are much better things to do and pick. Showing all the attacks prevented on our soil by ISIS and similar organizations is a far better way to justify their existence than if they made up hacking by Russia. The more I think about it, the dumber it really sounds.
Let's pretend you get a new boss. You want to convince him to keep your department as is or possibly expand it. Do you
A) Immediately go after his professed sacred cow as a way to save your department. B) Show him useful things your department does unrelated to his sacred cow issue C) Just hope for the best
Russia and Putin is Trump's sacred cow. Only people who wanted to lose their jobs would do A. Therefore I think this potential narrative is BS propaganda from the right and/or Trump's camp.
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Post by Opti on Jan 5, 2017 21:29:07 GMT -5
"I can understand that perfectly...this calling for passwords over any and everything may be fine for u younger folks who were brought up with it and use to it...for some of us..not the most literate on computers and tech..a real pain in the butt..Give u one example and then tell me it is no problem A neace a little while ago was setting me up on face book...wanted for my password..whatever the word PLUS six numbers... thus a password would be like as a example.."password123456"...u think that is perfectly normal, something no one might have a problem with ? Multiply that on all the sites and whatevers where passwords are called for..there is just sdo much room on my desk drawer to write on... I have passwords floating around haven't a clue...now try to keep it simple...My financials very concerned about..others..no bother.. Unfortunately Dezi you aren't alone. I hate passwords like that, given I have a background in IT. Where I work now, I've had to use shared passwords like password1. That wasn't dreamed up by an old fogey either. Someone in their twenties. I'm not surprised Podesta might have done that, but that's basically begging to be hacked if you use passwords like that.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Jan 5, 2017 22:12:03 GMT -5
"I can understand that perfectly...this calling for passwords over any and everything may be fine for u younger folks who were brought up with it and use to it...for some of us..not the most literate on computers and tech..a real pain in the butt..Give u one example and then tell me it is no problem A niece a little while ago was setting me up on face book...wanted for my password..whatever the word PLUS six numbers... thus a password would be like as a example.."password123456"...u think that is perfectly normal, something no one might have a problem with ? Multiply that on all the sites and whatevers where passwords are called for..there is just sdo much room on my desk drawer to write on... I have passwords floating around haven't a clue...now try to keep it simple...My financials very concerned about..others..no bother.. Unfortunately Dezi you aren't alone. I hate passwords like that, given I have a background in IT. Where I work now, I've had to use shared passwords like password1. That wasn't dreamed up by an old fogey either. Someone in their twenties. I'm not surprised Podesta might have done that, but that's basically begging to be hacked if you use passwords like that. Actually if I was in a position like that of course would have to take more seriously..understand there are programs now u can down load but for hackers that would be like a knight finding the Holy Grail...Actually in talking with one of my nurses while in rehab I was complaining about passwords ans she told me her son, say early teens used "password" as his password..I thought brillient...
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Post by Opti on Jan 5, 2017 22:19:44 GMT -5
Unfortunately Dezi you aren't alone. I hate passwords like that, given I have a background in IT. Where I work now, I've had to use shared passwords like password1. That wasn't dreamed up by an old fogey either. Someone in their twenties. I'm not surprised Podesta might have done that, but that's basically begging to be hacked if you use passwords like that. Actually if I was in a position like that of course would have to take more seriously..understand there are programs now u can down load but for hackers that would be like a knight finding the Holy Grail...Actually in talking with one of my nurses while in rehab I was complaining about passwords ans she told me her son, say early teens used "password" as his password..I thought brillient... password used to be the most commonly used password. So, not smart. It's dropped to the number 2 position.
www.computerworld.com/article/3024404/security/worst-most-common-passwords-for-the-last-5-years.html
Splashdata has again released its annual list of the most popular and therefore worst passwords found in over two million leaked passwords during 2015. If your password is on the list, then Splashdata said you are continuing to put yourself “at risk for hacking and identity theft by using weak, easily guessable passwords.”
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 5, 2017 22:35:20 GMT -5
You actually believe this crap and expect us to take your posts seriously?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 5, 2017 22:40:32 GMT -5
Actually if I was in a position like that of course would have to take more seriously..understand there are programs now u can down load but for hackers that would be like a knight finding the Holy Grail...Actually in talking with one of my nurses while in rehab I was complaining about passwords ans she told me her son, say early teens used "password" as his password..I thought brillient... password used to be the most commonly used password. So, not smart. It's dropped to the number 2 position.
www.computerworld.com/article/3024404/security/worst-most-common-passwords-for-the-last-5-years.html
Splashdata has again released its annual list of the most popular and therefore worst passwords found in over two million leaked passwords during 2015. If your password is on the list, then Splashdata said you are continuing to put yourself “at risk for hacking and identity theft by using weak, easily guessable passwords.”
I tried 123 but was told it wasn't secure enough. I played with a password checker after finding out my password could be hacked in 5 seconds. I started using caps and numbers and got it up to 10 million years.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 6, 2017 13:29:22 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter because we know how Podesta's email was hacked.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 6, 2017 14:46:49 GMT -5
OK, you could have stuck with a concise version of the bolded. Its your opinion that the CIA wants to start a Cold War with Russia or rumble about it. I don't agree. The CIA might have an ulterior motive, but so does Russia, and Assange.
It is important to me whether Russia was involved or not, and how much.
What's Mr. Assange's motivation to lie about the origins of the e-mail leaks? Specifically, what is his motivation to falsely disclaim Russia's involvement?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 8, 2017 8:41:13 GMT -5
From both sides of the political spectrum. Congratulations, America. You're not quite as stupid as the CIA wishes you were.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 9, 2017 10:41:43 GMT -5
OK, you could have stuck with a concise version of the bolded. Its your opinion that the CIA wants to start a Cold War with Russia or rumble about it. I don't agree. The CIA might have an ulterior motive, but so does Russia, and Assange.
It is important to me whether Russia was involved or not, and how much.
What's Mr. Assange's motivation to lie about the origins of the e-mail leaks? Specifically, what is his motivation to falsely disclaim Russia's involvement? I would add two question which I've asked EVERYONE supposedly "concerned" about Russian hacking: 1. Why were none of the emails (zip, zero, nada) ever denied as being altered in some way? In other words, if YOU wrote something like was revealed by these emails which were leaked to Wikileaks and it was false- wouldn't you speak up? It hasn't even been credibly suggested by any of the alleged original authors, many of whom would greatly benefit from it-- Donna Brazile comes to mind. 2. Why is it that Wikileaks has NEVER had to retract a story, or even back track on a leaked piece of information after having it proved false or fraudulent? I mean intelligence bungled that Iraq thing pretty badly (as Wikileaks revealed-- and they knew it), but Wikileaks themselves? Solid as a rock.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 9, 2017 10:43:06 GMT -5
You actually believe this crap and expect us to take your posts seriously? Yes. Wikileaks has never had occasion to retract or correct a claim.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 9, 2017 11:33:26 GMT -5
What's Mr. Assange's motivation to lie about the origins of the e-mail leaks? Specifically, what is his motivation to falsely disclaim Russia's involvement? I would add two question which I've asked EVERYONE supposedly "concerned" about Russian hacking: 1. Why were none of the emails (zip, zero, nada) ever denied as being altered in some way? In other words, if YOU wrote something like was revealed by these emails which were leaked to Wikileaks and it was false- wouldn't you speak up? It hasn't even been credibly suggested by any of the alleged original authors, many of whom would greatly benefit from it-- Donna Brazile comes to mind. 2. Why is it that Wikileaks has NEVER had to retract a story, or even back track on a leaked piece of information after having it proved false or fraudulent? I mean intelligence bungled that Iraq thing pretty badly (as Wikileaks revealed-- and they knew it), but Wikileaks themselves? Solid as a rock. Most of the e-mails in the were run through services like gmail and Outlook, meaning they were digitally signed by Google, Microsoft, etc. Tampering with the mail in any way (including changing the timestamp) would invalidate the signature. Forgeries would require access to these institutions' private keys. I should point out that Wikileaks didn't release the e-mails complete with headers for all of the messages they dumped (at least, this was the case as of a few weeks ago). Hence it's possible that any of the unsigned e-mails were forged. As you say, however, nobody is alleging they were.
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