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Post by swamp on Nov 15, 2016 15:13:43 GMT -5
encourage, yes.
But if they show absolutely no aptitude for it, it's not worth it. DD is very artsy fartsy, creative, and loves drawing/painting/designing. I'm pretty sure STEM won't be her thing, but that's OK. The world needs designers too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 15:21:19 GMT -5
My oldest will go STEM. It's where all his interest has been his entire 14 years. There's still plenty of opportunity for him to pick bad paying fields in STEM though. Younger? Meh? He's still pretty young, but so far not showing the strong aptitude for it like his brother. The way he argues until the end of time no matter how much the evidence points otherwise, I'm thinking attorney.
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Post by giramomma on Nov 15, 2016 15:24:27 GMT -5
Apparently, DS is pretty strong in the sciences. (not math, though.) We're in year two of teachers telling us this. I report back to DS that his teachers think he's smart in the sciences. He says "No way. I can't be." Because he doesn't like science. Now, he loves geography. He's also been doing crapily on his assignments (I think we're on his fourth late assignment in 2 weeks). But it's OK. Because he "likes" it. DS is set on getting a business degree. Who knows what will happen. DD1 is very artsy, fartsy as well. I could totally see her being a designer or something. She's thinking teaching. But she also wants to have her husband be a SAHD, so that may have to be revisited. DD2. Shit. She's going to be a plumber or something and do better than all the men. She's my strongest kid physically. And, the only one interested in tools, fixing things, seeing how things work, etc.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Nov 15, 2016 15:36:50 GMT -5
So, then, we all interpret STEM differently because I didn't see Wildlife Biologist on the list.
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Post by swasat on Nov 15, 2016 15:42:44 GMT -5
So, then, we all interpret STEM differently because I didn't see Wildlife Biologist on the list. Does that pay really well?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 15:44:09 GMT -5
So, then, we all interpret STEM differently because I didn't see Wildlife Biologist on the list. It's the top paying STEM jobs.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Nov 15, 2016 16:37:37 GMT -5
I know. I was being partly sarcastic. YDS clearly won't be paid well.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 15, 2016 17:23:03 GMT -5
I don't know what degree my oldest will get, but will be making shit load of money no matter what he does. He is super super creative and I can totally see him on Shark Tank pitching a million dollar idea
DS2.....I worry about him the most bc he just soooo flighty....but he says he likes chemistry and wants to be a scientist. I hope he channels that into something that makes money
DS3 says that he doesn't need any money. My guess is he will be STEM, the way he figures things out. He learned to play chess in a couple of days and took my husband by complete surprise by winning a game in 4 moves. He is only 5 so things can change. At least he doesn't want to be a princess anymore, so that's a relief.
STEM or not, I will absolutely push my kids into fields that will allow them to support themselves. They can do their hobbies in their spare time.
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Post by sesfw on Nov 15, 2016 17:43:15 GMT -5
S = sciences ..... I saw a lot of them mentioned in this thread. Biology is a science, almost anything that does any kind of study is a science.
T = technology ...... Figuring out how things work, making them work, fixing when they don't work.
E = Engineering or education = take your pick. Road design engineers are needed ...... so are the techs to build the roads. Good teachers are priceless
M = Medicine or manufacturing = take your pick .......... All of them sound very well rounded and all are needed.
Arts are in a different category. I'm the first one in line for the arts .... if you can support yourself with your talent. If not, get some training so you can support yourself and develop your arts on your own time and dime until it can support you.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 15, 2016 18:00:22 GMT -5
I love reading your descriptions of your kids!!
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Post by alabamagal on Nov 15, 2016 20:13:55 GMT -5
There are pretty big differences within STEM
DD has a degree in marine biology. She is cafe manager at a large bookstore. She is quitting her job this week and moving in with DH and I this week. She is 25 and needs to figure out next step in her life.
DS1 is 24 has a non STEM degree in Finance and Economics, but is a math geek and has a great job as an actuary and is halfway through passing his test.
DS2 is 22 in final year of college studying Finance and Real Estate at a top level business school. He already has one decent job offer but I think he will get better ones by May.
So my non STEM degrees are doing pretty well.
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Post by lynnerself on Nov 15, 2016 20:28:49 GMT -5
STEM degrees are no guarantee.
DS has a masters in aeronautical engineering. He has always struggled to find work . He currently is employed as a mechanical engineer in a start up design firm working about 4 days a week.
The good news is that he really loves his job. He is the only engineer and works on a huge variety of projects. Bad news lower salary, minimal benefits and the cost of living in Seattle.
DD had a bachelors in biology and went to work as a research assistant doing stem cell research and was very poorly paid. She is currently back in school to be a Physical Therapist/
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Post by yogiii on Nov 16, 2016 8:16:24 GMT -5
DH and I are both engineers. I'm going to encourage pharmacy.
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Post by steph08 on Nov 16, 2016 9:07:27 GMT -5
DD1 is almost 2.5. So far, I expect her to be an ornithologist because she loves the birds at our bird feeder.
DD2 is 6 months. So far I think she'll be a dentist because she loves sticking her hands in her own mouth, as well as other people's mouths.
I have an English degree. DH has a geology degree. I make 30% more than him.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 16, 2016 9:18:30 GMT -5
I know to be a biomechanical engineer requires you have a VERY strong math and computer background. If you don't have an aptitude for both you are going to fail. It's something you have to be planning for from day one. You can't find your senior year that you are missing certain math classes and just expect to catch up in college with remedial courses. A secret fantasy of mine is one of the girls becomes one and terraforms Mars. Gwen has announced she wants to be a pediatrician and is also showing signs of having my lack of aptitude in math so she's out. I'll have to transfer it to Abby instead. Okay in reality I am fine with whatever they want to be as long as they accept whatever lifestyle choices will have to come along with it. I am also not going to push them to focus on finding a lifetime career by 18. I made that "mistake" and while I am certainly not a highly paid STEM major I am not in the poorhouse either. However I am realizing as an adult that it's not so simple as pick A career at 18 in college and you're set for life. The job market changes and it does it whether you like it or not. I think the key for the girls is going to be picking something that allows for flexibility and re invention.
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Post by giramomma on Nov 16, 2016 9:40:13 GMT -5
I know. I was being partly sarcastic. YDS clearly won't be paid well. Everyone makes fun out of music and the like for being low paying. At least if you are talented enough, you don't NEED to get a master's degree. You can teach, take auditions, play weddings, etc and the like with just and undergrad. DH got a degree in a similar field .. Shortly after DH graduated, they started putting on their marketing promos that one needs to plan to go on to Grad school with his degree. It's been a standing joke that DH managed to find a major worse than mine.
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Post by giramomma on Nov 16, 2016 9:41:51 GMT -5
I made that "mistake" and while I am certainly not a highly paid STEM major I am not in the poorhouse either. However I am realizing as an adult that it's not so simple as pick A career at 18 in college and you're set for life. The job market changes and it does it whether you like it or not. I think the key for the girls is going to be picking something that allows for flexibility and re invention. So much this. I really didn't settle on a "career" until I was in my late 30's.
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Post by yogiii on Nov 16, 2016 9:42:04 GMT -5
I know. I was being partly sarcastic. YDS clearly won't be paid well. Everyone makes fun out of music and the like for being low paying. At least if you are talented enough, you don't NEED to get a master's degree. You can teach, take auditions, play weddings, etc and the like with just and undergrad. DH got a degree in a similar field .. Shortly after DH graduated, they started putting on their marketing promos that one needs to plan to go on to Grad school with his degree. It's been a standing joke that DH managed to find a major worse than mine. I don't have a Master's
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 16, 2016 9:53:49 GMT -5
I know. I was being partly sarcastic. YDS clearly won't be paid well. Everyone makes fun out of music and the like for being low paying. At least if you are talented enough, you don't NEED to get a master's degree. You can teach, take auditions, play weddings, etc and the like with just and undergrad. DH got a degree in a similar field .. Shortly after DH graduated, they started putting on their marketing promos that one needs to plan to go on to Grad school with his degree. It's been a standing joke that DH managed to find a major worse than mine. Did you notice what board you are on?
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Post by Annie7 on Nov 16, 2016 9:55:50 GMT -5
We are a STEM family. DH and I are both engineers. ODS is a senior doing Financial Engineering - lots of math. He has accepted a job offer already for when he graduates next year at one of the top firms in the world for real estate investing. YDS is a junior in high school and is not sure whether he wants to do medicine (thinks he might be burnt out by the long schooling even though he loves medicine). He is considering biomedical engineering as an undergraduate and then figure out if he wants to do medicine. He loves computer science, math and biology.
I feel that whatever they do, they should be able to support themselves and a family. Hopefully the career they choose will also make them happy. You spend so much time of your life at work that you shouldn't be miserable there. But doesn't mean it has to be THE ONE. Just enough that you are not miserable. Find a hobby that satisfies you if you are not happy at work.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 16, 2016 10:01:58 GMT -5
We are a STEM family. DH and I are both engineers. ODS is a senior doing Financial Engineering - lots of math. He has accepted a job offer already for when he graduates next year at one of the top firms in the world for real estate investing. YDS is a junior in high school and is not sure whether he wants to do medicine (thinks he might be burnt out by the long schooling even though he loves medicine). He is considering biomedical engineering as an undergraduate and then figure out if he wants to do medicine. He loves computer science, math and biology. I feel that whatever they do, they should be able to support themselves and a family. Hopefully the career they choose will also make them happy. You spend so much time of your life at work that you shouldn't be miserable there. But doesn't mean it has to be THE ONE. Just enough that you are not miserable. Find a hobby that satisfies you if you are not happy at work. Has he looked into bio statistics? Good money and combines all three of those things. A lot of career options too from medicine to research to public health to insurance. Pretty much anyone who compiles data.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 10:07:06 GMT -5
S = sciences ..... I saw a lot of them mentioned in this thread. Biology is a science, almost anything that does any kind of study is a science. T = technology ...... Figuring out how things work, making them work, fixing when they don't work. E = Engineering or education = take your pick. Road design engineers are needed ...... so are the techs to build the roads. Good teachers are priceless M = Medicine or manufacturing = take your pick .......... All of them sound very well rounded and all are needed. Arts are in a different category. I'm the first one in line for the arts .... if you can support yourself with your talent. If not, get some training so you can support yourself and develop your arts on your own time and dime until it can support you. I think the M is actually for Math.
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Post by sesfw on Nov 16, 2016 10:14:19 GMT -5
I think the M is actually for Math.You are right ....... but I wanted to widen things out a bit.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 16, 2016 10:15:51 GMT -5
S = sciences ..... I saw a lot of them mentioned in this thread. Biology is a science, almost anything that does any kind of study is a science. T = technology ...... Figuring out how things work, making them work, fixing when they don't work. E = Engineering or education = take your pick. Road design engineers are needed ...... so are the techs to build the roads. Good teachers are priceless A = The arts M = Medicine or manufacturing = take your pick .......... All of them sound very well rounded and all are needed. Arts are in a different category. I'm the first one in line for the arts .... if you can support yourself with your talent. If not, get some training so you can support yourself and develop your arts on your own time and dime until it can support you. Added your suggestion.
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Post by swasat on Nov 16, 2016 10:22:25 GMT -5
I know. I was being partly sarcastic. YDS clearly won't be paid well. Everyone makes fun out of music and the like for being low paying. At least if you are talented enough, you don't NEED to get a master's degree. You can teach, take auditions, play weddings, etc and the like with just and undergrad. DH got a degree in a similar field .. Shortly after DH graduated, they started putting on their marketing promos that one needs to plan to go on to Grad school with his degree. It's been a standing joke that DH managed to find a major worse than mine. And thats the point. Work harder earlier and settle on a field/career thats known to pay well, or wait till later to consider options. Its entirely on a personal basis what people choose to do. However, having a Masters degree IN a field you KNOW will pay well is a much safer option than NOT knowing till you are in your 30s. I don't think its the end of the game if one does not decide on a career till the 30s. However it does make options more limited due to family/personal responsibilities and hence life more difficult.
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Post by Annie7 on Nov 16, 2016 10:51:02 GMT -5
We are a STEM family. DH and I are both engineers. ODS is a senior doing Financial Engineering - lots of math. He has accepted a job offer already for when he graduates next year at one of the top firms in the world for real estate investing. YDS is a junior in high school and is not sure whether he wants to do medicine (thinks he might be burnt out by the long schooling even though he loves medicine). He is considering biomedical engineering as an undergraduate and then figure out if he wants to do medicine. He loves computer science, math and biology. I feel that whatever they do, they should be able to support themselves and a family. Hopefully the career they choose will also make them happy. You spend so much time of your life at work that you shouldn't be miserable there. But doesn't mean it has to be THE ONE. Just enough that you are not miserable. Find a hobby that satisfies you if you are not happy at work. Has he looked into bio statistics? Good money and combines all three of those things. A lot of career options too from medicine to research to public health to insurance. Pretty much anyone who compiles data. Thanks Drama. I will mention that to him.
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Post by alabamagal on Nov 16, 2016 10:57:30 GMT -5
DH and I are both engineers. I'm going to encourage pharmacy. I am an engineer also. To me pharmacy seems like a very dull job. Your idealistic and think "Oh I am helping people", but in the real world you may work in a retail pharmacy staring a computer screen and authorizing orders. A lot of times they are not 9 to 5 jobs, because people need their medicine 24/7. It is well paid, but seems routine and boring. Well, off to design my new manufacturing building.......
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Post by swamp on Nov 16, 2016 11:01:31 GMT -5
DH and I are both engineers. I'm going to encourage pharmacy. I am an engineer also. To me pharmacy seems like a very dull job. Your idealistic and think "Oh I am helping people", but in the real world you may work in a retail pharmacy staring a computer screen and authorizing orders. A lot of times they are not 9 to 5 jobs, because people need their medicine 24/7. It is well paid, but seems routine and boring. Well, off to design my new manufacturing building....... DH is a pharmacist, and retail is routine and boring.
However, he works in a hospital. He loves it, and it's anything but routine and boring.
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Post by alabamagal on Nov 16, 2016 11:04:41 GMT -5
I know to be a biomechanical engineer requires you have a VERY strong math and computer background. If you don't have an aptitude for both you are going to fail. It's something you have to be planning for from day one. You can't find your senior year that you are missing certain math classes and just expect to catch up in college with remedial courses. A secret fantasy of mine is one of the girls becomes one and terraforms Mars. Gwen has announced she wants to be a pediatrician and is also showing signs of having my lack of aptitude in math so she's out. I'll have to transfer it to Abby instead. Okay in reality I am fine with whatever they want to be as long as they accept whatever lifestyle choices will have to come along with it. I am also not going to push them to focus on finding a lifetime career by 18. I made that "mistake" and while I am certainly not a highly paid STEM major I am not in the poorhouse either. However I am realizing as an adult that it's not so simple as pick A career at 18 in college and you're set for life. The job market changes and it does it whether you like it or not. I think the key for the girls is going to be picking something that allows for flexibility and re invention. That is so true for any engineering field. Here are a few questions to determine if you are suited to make it through engineering school: Is your math SAT score more than 200 points higher than verbal? Ok I won't rule out people who also have great verbal skills, but the math has to be pretty high Which course load would you rather sign up for in school 1) Advanced Calculus, Thermodynamics, Statics and Mechanics, Physics 2) Creative Writing, Poetry, Sociology, Foreign Language If you chose 1) you might be ready for engineering school.
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