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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 9:47:11 GMT -5
Trump U is indicative of Trump, his business practices and his values. Much like prior bankruptcies, he isn't going to be personally charge for anything that happened there. While name association can be detrimnetal some times as well as beneficial at times, ultimately no one seems to mind his already existing grey areas in business.
Clinton... I just think they need to move if there is something actionable there. If there is nothing they need to move on.
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Post by dondub on Jun 5, 2016 12:05:48 GMT -5
This is understandable. The media are mostly leftists and they have a great deal of trouble figuring out which bathroom to use. They're just trying to help.
At least they are using the bathrooms instead of just peeing and pooping their pants which is what the righties and RNC have been doing ever since Trump ascended.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 13:12:19 GMT -5
... Right now, OREGON is a toss up. ... This is complicated by the fact that Crazy Bernie CLOBBERED Hillary Clinton in Oregon where Trump won big. ... Clinton got more votes while being clobbered by Sanders than Trump got winning big: Oregon primaryNobody expects Trump to win Oregon. Right?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 13:21:14 GMT -5
By the way- where's Elizabeth Warren? Right the fuck back under her rock, lol!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 13:28:26 GMT -5
This is understandable. The media are mostly leftists and they have a great deal of trouble figuring out which bathroom to use. They're just trying to help.
At least they are using the bathrooms instead of just peeing and pooping their pants which is what the righties and RNC have been doing ever since Trump ascended. Yeah, but it's not because he's going to lose. They're used to that. The like losing. They're afraid because they know the Trump tsunami is coming in November and there'll be no putting the toothpaste back in the tube after that. America is back!!!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 5, 2016 13:44:40 GMT -5
This is understandable. The media are mostly leftists and they have a great deal of trouble figuring out which bathroom to use. They're just trying to help.
At least they are using the bathrooms instead of just peeing and pooping their pants which is what the righties and RNC have been doing ever since Trump ascended. Yeah, but it's not because he's going to lose. They're used to that. The like losing. They're afraid because they know the Trump tsunami is coming in November and there'll be no putting the toothpaste back in the tube after that. America is back!!! Lol! Trump will never be President!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 5, 2016 13:53:28 GMT -5
Kind of like the Tea Party Tsunami, that would ensure Obama would never win a second term?
kind of like that?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 14:00:09 GMT -5
When was the last time we had two presidential candidates that were under investigation for illegal activities? Trump for Trump U and Clinton for emails (of course I know that most of you on the left think it is no big deal and just all political and those on the far right believe the same thing about Trump U charges). There is something wrong when people care more about the D or R next to the name so much that nothing else matters. Also, is Sanders still in the race because the news about him has all but disappeared? Trump is not under investigation for illegal activities. A civil suit has been filed against a business entity he had an ownership interest in. There are no "charges". And look, I'm not defending Trump U-- it definitely doesn't seem like it was worth the money for what they offered. There may well have been some misrepresentation going on and all the rest of it. Here's what's fascinating: Trump U should be a liability, but it won't be, for three reasons: 1. The law firm that brought the civil suit is a MASSIVE CLINTON DONOR: $675,000.00 to Bill & Hillary Clinton for "speeches". 2. The judge presiding judge in the civil case is a radical activist for illegal immigration, open borders, and sanctuary cities with a membership in the radical anti-white racist La Raza (literally: "The Race") which will serve to keep Trump's most important policy issue in the spotlight as the case wears on. Especially if Judge Curiel continues to demonstrate his bias via ill conceived, hastily crafted orders designed to hurt Trump politically four months from the election-- hurting innocent people, for which he is now trying to stick put the toothpaste back in the tube... 3. And this one is my personal favorite because it's just so awesome. I mean, the best fiction authors alive today couldn't come up with a better plot twist: Hillary University: Bill Clinton was paid just shy of $16,500,000.00 from a private for-profit University as its "honorary chancellor" while Obama State Department funneled $55 million to a group run by Laureate’s founder and chairman, Douglas Becker, a man with strong ties to the Clinton Global Initiative. Becker then donated somewhere between $1,000,000.00 and $5,000,000.00 to the Clinton Foundation. All this was happening as the school faced serious legal scrutiny and criminal investigations. We don't have two candidates under criminal investigation. We have a guy who's a little rough around the edges and does some arguably stupid stuff to make a buck; and we have an out and out criminal.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 14:00:56 GMT -5
Kind of like the Tea Party Tsunami, that would ensure Obama would never win a second term? kind of like that? Turns out the TEA Party was in no mood to have the author of ObamaCare be their standard bearer.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 5, 2016 14:28:11 GMT -5
Kind of like the Tea Party Tsunami, that would ensure Obama would never win a second term? kind of like that? Turns out the TEA Party was in no mood to have the author of ObamaCare be their standard bearer. Excuses, excuses. Are you seriously saying they preferred the hated Obama over Romney? The same Obama who they wouldn't spit on if he was on fire? The same Obama who they called a Kenyan, communist chimpanzee? Pull my other leg. The Tea Party Tsunami was supposed to "Take America Back!" Look at how well that worked out.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 14:43:43 GMT -5
Turns out the TEA Party was in no mood to have the author of ObamaCare be their standard bearer. Excuses, excuses. Are you seriously saying they preferred the hated Obama over Romney? The same Obama who they wouldn't spit on if he was on fire? The same Obama who they called a Kenyan, communist chimpanzee? Pull my other leg. The Tea Party Tsunami was supposed to "Take America Back!" Look at how well that worked out. You realize you're arguing with results, right?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 5, 2016 14:45:09 GMT -5
You realize you're making no sense, right?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 5, 2016 16:10:18 GMT -5
Clinton got more votes while being clobbered by Sanders than Trump got winning big: Oregon primaryNobody expects Trump to win Oregon. Right? So your counter to vote totals showing Clinton got 251,739 votes and Trump got 240,804 is to show a 5,000 person Trump rally in Oregon?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2016 17:08:37 GMT -5
Dancing to bad music is better than not dancing at all? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/charmed.png) Depends how bad the music is. it also depends on how badly you want to dance. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2016 17:10:33 GMT -5
![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/deadhorse.gif) Have fun discussing the electoral college with someone else. in terms of presidential politics, it pretty much is the only discussion that matters. and given that you will probably just dismiss me and laugh it off, consider that Larry Sabato says the same thing, and he has way more of a reputation for calling presidential contests than you do (and he is not showing OR as a tossup, for the record): www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/the-only-thing-that-matters/
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2016 17:11:51 GMT -5
Hey I posted it "FWIW" knowing it is a subject only for those serious about a deeper understanding. Raw popular votes are so much easier than state by state analysis. One would have to take the time to see if Trump is drawing larger numbers in states that Obama won in 2012 before using it as proof of something significant. More voters in deep South primaries would be meaningless. I'm actually pretty well versed in the electoral college. If we use the past several elections- going back to George H.W. Bush's ill-fated 1992 campaign, roughly 2 million people in 7 counties decide elections. If you don't live in one of the 7 counties, the theory goes, you literally have no say in the outcome of the election. This election, I believe, will be different for reasons which I've already outlined. you lost me right there. you say this every four years. or at least you have for the last 12-16. if you want to keep my attention, stop using the same pitch.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 5, 2016 18:06:08 GMT -5
It always fascinates me how white people can be anti-white as the vast majority of Hispanics in the United States are white. And if the poster is going to state the judge is a member of La Raza, then he should get the organization the judge belongs/belonged to right: La Raza Lawyers of California (versus National Council of La Raza (or simply La Raza) which the usual uninformed seem to think are the same organization). Maybe Trump can add another reason he does not want Curiel to preside over his fraud trial: Curiel is white.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2016 18:15:28 GMT -5
It always fascinates me how white people can be anti-white as the vast majority of Hispanics in the United States are white. And if the poster is going to state the judge is a member of La Raza, then he should get the organization the judge belongs/belonged to right: La Raza Lawyers of California (versus National Council of La Raza (or simply La Raza) which the usual uninformed seem to think are the same organization). Maybe Trump can add another reason he does not want Curiel to preside over his fraud trial: Curiel is white. i just heard his interview about this, and he keeps saying "i am building a wall with Mexico. this guy has Mexican heritage". i understand the leap that HE has made, but i don't think it follows that it has anything to do with his ruling. but if Trump things the judge is being "racist" (or, more aptly, anti-US Nationalist), then he should appeal the ruling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 18:19:13 GMT -5
Yeah, but it's not because he's going to lose. They're used to that. The like losing. They're afraid because they know the Trump tsunami is coming in November and there'll be no putting the toothpaste back in the tube after that. America is back!!! Lol! Trump will never be President! I wouldn't bet money on that... (unfortunately)
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2016 18:21:30 GMT -5
Lol! Trump will never be President! I wouldn't bet money on that... (unfortunately) i would. i will give 5:3 odds on it right now, as well. put up $30 and win $50 if i am wrong. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 18:31:26 GMT -5
... Right now, OREGON is a toss up. ... This is complicated by the fact that Crazy Bernie CLOBBERED Hillary Clinton in Oregon where Trump won big. ... Clinton got more votes while being clobbered by Sanders than Trump got winning big: Oregon primaryThere's no valid comparison Primaries v. General Election because Oregon has CLOSED Primaries. In the General Election there's... No telling how many independent voters will vote for the Republican OR the Democrat. No telling how many Republicans will switch and vote Democrat. No telling how many Democrats will switch and vote Republican. No telling how many Democrats or Republicans will vote independent. No telling how many more (Democrats AND/OR Republicans) will show up to vote the General that didn't vote the Primary. and (last but not least) No telling how many will just stay home because the one they voted for in the Primary... LOST. Clinton could have gotten 1,000,000 more in the PRIMARY and still lose the General (in Oregon) if the voters don't stick to party, once they have the option... AND if the unaffiliated vote Republican.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 18:32:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't bet money on that... (unfortunately) i would. i will give 5:3 odds on it right now, as well. put up $30 and win $50 if i am wrong. We already have one bet... I'm good with one at a time (plus "I wouldn't bet money on that" doesn't mean "I would bet the opposite" ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) )
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 5, 2016 18:52:31 GMT -5
It always fascinates me how white people can be anti-white as the vast majority of Hispanics in the United States are white. And if the poster is going to state the judge is a member of La Raza, then he should get the organization the judge belongs/belonged to right: La Raza Lawyers of California (versus National Council of La Raza (or simply La Raza) which the usual uninformed seem to think are the same organization). Maybe Trump can add another reason he does not want Curiel to preside over his fraud trial: Curiel is white. i just heard his interview about this, and he keeps saying "i am building a wall with Mexico. this guy has Mexican heritage". i understand the leap that HE has made, but i don't think it follows that it has anything to do with his ruling. but if Trump things the judge is being "racist" (or, more aptly, anti-US Nationalist), then he should appeal the ruling. Trump also believes Muslim judges probably would not be fair to him. Just a matter of days before Trump says female judges would probably not be fair to him too.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 20:55:28 GMT -5
Nobody expects Trump to win Oregon. Right? So your counter to vote totals showing Clinton got 251,739 votes and Trump got 240,804 is to show a 5,000 person Trump rally in Oregon? And you got your numbers....?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 5, 2016 20:55:41 GMT -5
i just heard his interview about this, and he keeps saying "i am building a wall with Mexico. this guy has Mexican heritage". i understand the leap that HE has made, but i don't think it follows that it has anything to do with his ruling. but if Trump things the judge is being "racist" (or, more aptly, anti-US Nationalist), then he should appeal the ruling. Trump also believes Muslim judges probably would not be fair to him. Just a matter of days before Trump says female judges would probably not be fair to him too. ....and disabled judges. And judges who were Prisoners of War.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2016 21:07:22 GMT -5
i just heard his interview about this, and he keeps saying "i am building a wall with Mexico. this guy has Mexican heritage". i understand the leap that HE has made, but i don't think it follows that it has anything to do with his ruling. but if Trump things the judge is being "racist" (or, more aptly, anti-US Nationalist), then he should appeal the ruling. Trump also believes Muslim judges probably would not be fair to him. Just a matter of days before Trump says female judges would probably not be fair to him too. i heard that too. of course, this is one of maybe 100 things i have heard him say that make me think "nobody can possibly take this guy seriously", but then, he keeps his 34% . ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) (before anyone corrects me, keep in mind that as soon as the other candidates dropped out, there is no telling how many of the non-Trump voters stayed home. in other words, if i was a Kasich voter, and Kasich drops out, and there is no way in hell i was going to vote for Trump, would i even show up? probably not)
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2016 21:08:29 GMT -5
So your counter to vote totals showing Clinton got 251,739 votes and Trump got 240,804 is to show a 5,000 person Trump rally in Oregon? And you got your numbers....? i am guessing from the registrar's office, ultimately. you have some particular reason for doubting it?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 21:12:46 GMT -5
Look, I'll just bottom line the Eugene event for you-- the 5,000 figure comes from the Fire Marshall capacity of the venue, The Lane Events Center. 5,000 people at a political rally in a city the size of Eugene is more than impressive, it's unheard of. Well, almost. Barack Obama held a rally in Eugene in 2008 that drew about 8,000 using the same calculation: seats in the venue. However, when Obama came to Eugene, the press was a little more accurate in the count- they happened to notice the equal number of people outside as in. Same here. Three people I know where there. A more accurate estimate of total of those inside and outside the venue: roughly 18,000. That includes the (50) 600 people protesting outside, though. So, there's that.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 21:23:16 GMT -5
It always fascinates me how white people can be anti-white as the vast majority of Hispanics in the United States are white. And if the poster is going to state the judge is a member of La Raza, then he should get the organization the judge belongs/belonged to right: La Raza Lawyers of California (versus National Council of La Raza (or simply La Raza) which the usual uninformed seem to think are the same organization). Maybe Trump can add another reason he does not want Curiel to preside over his fraud trial: Curiel is white. i just heard his interview about this, and he keeps saying "i am building a wall with Mexico. this guy has Mexican heritage". i understand the leap that HE has made, but i don't think it follows that it has anything to do with his ruling. but if Trump things the judge is being "racist" (or, more aptly, anti-US Nationalist), then he should appeal the ruling. The person that can't stop talking about Judge Gonzalo Curiel's Mexican heritage is Judge Curiel. Trump, and look- let's just cut all the political bullshit and have an honest moment here, didn't attack his heritage. He attacked his ideology. Donald Trump is running for President, and his signature policy initiative is a wall along the border with Mexico, paid for by Mexico. Trump has stated he will deport ALL illegal aliens within two (2) years. Judge Curiel is a member of the La Raza (The Race) Lawyers Association of San Diego. He is an Obama appointee and Judge Curiel is in fact a radical activist for illegal alien non-enforcement at every level, an open borders advocate, and a lover of sanctuary cities. This is not even in dispute. So, again- if you've the capacity for it, HONEST discussion only: is it really foolish to point this out when he's the judge presiding over a civil suit against an entity in which you have an interest? Can it even be argued that Judge Curiel hastily un-sealed the un-redacted documents before the court to hurt Trump politically? I mean give me a break, here. We've known each other how long on these boards? Accept when the narrative is bullshit. Just for once lose an argument gracefully instead of under the crushing weight of the water you're carrying for the Democratic Party.
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