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Post by tloonya on May 5, 2016 12:37:03 GMT -5
Do you spend the extra money and buy organic things (food, personal care items)?
I am starting to prefer organic more and more, but wondering if it is worth it.
I am pretty sure it is all crapshoot. All food grows under acidic rains. However when people getting chemo - doctor insisting on organic food because they get enough chemicals in their bodies with chemo, so organic food supposedly puts less stress on your body. But they might be a members of the plot.
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Post by tloonya on May 5, 2016 12:39:35 GMT -5
How do you tell if a vegetable is orgasmic? You chew it slowly and if you feel tightness in some places - you be sure THAT one IS! If you find one - share with a group, please. But I am sure you will want to get paid for info
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Post by gregintenn on May 5, 2016 13:12:49 GMT -5
How do you tell if a vegetable is orgasmic? You chew it slowly and if you feel tightness in some places - you be sure THAT one IS! If you find one - share with a group, please. But I am sure you will want to get paid for info
I'm a meat eater, so I don't know these things. Thank you.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 5, 2016 13:15:48 GMT -5
You chew it slowly and if you feel tightness in some places - you be sure THAT one IS! If you find one - share with a group, please. But I am sure you will want to get paid for info
I'm a meat eater, so I don't know these things. Thank you. you and your wife should experiment!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 5, 2016 13:16:12 GMT -5
You may like new veggies.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 5, 2016 13:17:02 GMT -5
There was a meta analysis recently that showed organic foods have higher concentrations of omega 3, anti-oxidants, and other compounds. We eat pretty much everything we can get organic in our house because the effects e ffects are fairly and immediately obvious with DH if we don't. YMMV. If you don't mind - what kind of effects?
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Post by movingforward on May 5, 2016 13:59:25 GMT -5
I buy some organic stuff but mainly because of the taste. The strawberries at Whole Foods, for some reason, take SO much better than the strawberries at my regular grocery store. I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with the fact they are organic because I have tried organic strawberries from my regular grocery store. They are not as good as the ones from Whole Foods (a.k.a whole paycheck).
I also like organic milk better than regular milk (this comes from my regular grocery store though). It is probably just the way it is processed as to the reason it taste better to me.
In general, I don't buy too much organic stuff though.
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Post by souldoubt on May 5, 2016 14:05:16 GMT -5
We sometimes eat at organic or healthy restaurants but we don't go out of our way to buy organic. I remember some time back hearing or reading that organic was regulated differently and some organic stuff was coming from other countries/areas where it's not necessarily regulated or even organic. No idea if that's true but in the end we just try to eat less processed foods and more fruits, veggies and meats.
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Post by kittensaver on May 5, 2016 14:22:36 GMT -5
I grow a LOT of our produce (not at home, but in our local community garden). It is an all-organic garden - even the soils we bring in to our plots have to be approved (OMRI certified). We practice biodynamic and biological pest control, and consider any crop loss to pests up to 10% to be acceptable (this makes gardening and growing life SOOOOOO much easier ). So the bulk (but of course not all) of what we eat is already "organic" - even if it doesn't hold a commercial certification.
But unlike others here, when faced with a choice of "organic" from far away (like Mexico [who by the way has an AWESOME organic farming and viniculture program in the Baja region] or South America) or local, I will chose local every time. I just personally believe that knowing where your food comes from (who grew it, how they grew it and what is or is not in it) is more important than produce with an organic certification from a nameless, faceless farm hundreds or thousands of miles away that may be as much as a few weeks old. JMHO. YMMV.
At least where I live (aka California, the breadbasket of America), it is really (really) easy to find local produce that has been produced by individuals and small family farms with the highest organic standards but does not bear the organic label (because certification is complicated and takes thousands of dollars that most small producers cannot afford). I know it would be a very different story somewhere else - if I lived somewhere else, I'd probably have to think a little differently.
"Organic" junkfood (chips, crackers, cookies, processed cereals, kids snacks, etc etc etc ad nauseum) is still junkfood, so it's not even on my radar, so no worries there.
I agree with others that organic produce tastes better. I've had people tell me they don't like a certain vegetable but when they taste it from my garden they are blown away at the difference.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 16:05:06 GMT -5
It was going to Europe twice and feeling great and then coming home and getting very ill that made me finally take an elimination diet seriously.
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Post by dannylion on May 5, 2016 17:16:57 GMT -5
Nah. It's a racket.
I am probably also biased because virtually all of the people I know IRL who insist, demand, rant about, obsess over, etc., organic and "clean" food issues are also generally poorly informed (their idea of "expert" is someone with a blog or a website and lots of opinions but no actual science to share), know nothing about science, agriculture, chemistry, or much of anything else, and are otherwise basically annoying and whiny and terrified of everything. These are not people whose example I am inclined to follow.
I am sure there are thoughtful, well-informed people who have made a reasoned decision to choose organic; I just don't know any IRL.
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 5, 2016 18:17:31 GMT -5
How do you tell if a vegetable is orgasmic? I swore that said "organic" earlier...
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 5, 2016 18:37:11 GMT -5
I buy only organic milk. Even before I had kids I kept seeing articles on growth hormones in regular milk.
I will buy a regular yogurt if it has "cleaner" ingredients list before I would buy organic. Same for bread. Same for other things.
I will buy certain organic produce unless it's a lot more expensive. Last week I could have paid $5.49 for two organic peppers. I went with conventional and paid about $6 for 5.
I would buy local before anything else, but we are in New England so that only lasts 2 months out of the year.
I was talking to a lady who owns a farm and a farm stand where I buy my stuff and she says that she mostly eats what it's in season or what she froze from her crops. I remember my childhood and how we only had certain produce (tomatoes, cucumbers, berries, etc) only the time they were in season. I don't remember what we did the rest of the year and I would be curious to find out if people had major vitamin deficiencies.
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 5, 2016 19:45:31 GMT -5
I do the "buy the thing with the least amount/simplest ingredients" thing too (as much as I can).
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Post by haapai on May 5, 2016 20:51:43 GMT -5
FWIW, I recently started stocking produce for a living. The amount that we throw out is pretty shocking and the amount of labor that it takes to keep that stuff cold and get it onto the shelves is mind-boggling. I wonder a lot whether analyses of the carbon footprints of that stuff take into account the waste, the refrigeration costs, the landfill costs and the number of first-world laborers (with first-world carbon footprints) who spend their lives getting that stuff to you. An analysis that assumes zero waste, full containers, and stops counting energy costs when the product is delivered to the store is highly misleading. We seem to be throwing out a quarter of the peppers that we get in and I don't want to know what it costs to run the cold racks and misters.
If you think that you are saving the world by eating more fresh vegetables, or organic ones, you might be kidding yourself. Eating canned or frozen vegetables and more dried beans might be much better for the planet.
Most of our organic fruits and vegetables have either notably shorter shelf lives than the uncertified versions or are laughably overpackaged in an attempt to discourage rot. I just don't see how this is greener.
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Post by msventoux on May 5, 2016 21:10:15 GMT -5
When I buy from the grocery store I don't bother with getting organic produce generally. I did become a member of a produce delivery service that touted itself as being organic. I believe what that really meant was everything comes with the bugs still on it. I opened one paper bag of produce and some wispy looking flying bug came out. I couldn't help but think I'd just introduced a species of bug to my area that had no business being here.
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Post by cronewitch on May 5, 2016 21:25:09 GMT -5
I don't do organic all food is organic or it would be rocks inorganic food. I eat eggs from hens that run around all day in the pastures and eat food from bags not marked organic there yokes are fine the eggs taste good. Some people won't eat inorganic eggs just because the hens eat chicken feed that cost half as much.
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Post by simser on May 5, 2016 23:48:46 GMT -5
I'm a chemist. Therefore all my food is organic because we simply have not found a silicon based life form yet that's edible.
The label drives me up a wall, and as such I refuse to participate. If the "organic" is cheaper than regular I'll get it, but that's rare. I could get into locally grown food or a Co-op or something but not the name organic.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 6, 2016 9:36:23 GMT -5
I'm a chemist. Therefore all my food is organic because we simply have not found a silicon based life form yet that's edible. The label drives me up a wall, and as such I refuse to participate. If the "organic" is cheaper than regular I'll get it, but that's rare. I could get into locally grown food or a Co-op or something but not the name organic. I lost interest when I found out that organic farms can use just as many chemicals as non-organic farms. The only difference is that the organic farm approved list is slightly smaller than the non-organic farm list. I don't like being charged 2-3 times as much for chemical laden produce just because that farm's pesticides are approved for organic use.
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Post by resolution on May 6, 2016 10:24:39 GMT -5
I was thinking about this thread yesterday evening as I was out spraying neem oil on my cherry tree.
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Post by saveinla on May 6, 2016 12:07:16 GMT -5
I was thinking about this thread yesterday evening as I was out spraying neem oil on my cherry tree. I know that neem is a powerful antiseptic. What does spraying with neem oil do?
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on May 6, 2016 12:38:46 GMT -5
I buy local when possible and, if not, organic when possible. The vast majority of my grocery shopping is for whole foods -- produce, meat, simple dairy products. I buy very few prepared foods and/or snacks.
My priority is local, because produce from places like New Jersey or Delaware (with their ginormous chemical industries), even if it is organic produce, scares the heck out of me.
Anaphylaxis caused by an allergic reaction to food is an immune system response. I try to buy "clean" food so that my kids' immune systems are under as little attack as possible -- most especially when they are eating.
So, if I buy locally, I know the farmer and their approach to farming. Organic food gives me a similar assurance for food not grown locally.
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Post by kittensaver on May 6, 2016 12:44:19 GMT -5
I was thinking about this thread yesterday evening as I was out spraying neem oil on my cherry tree. I know that neem is a powerful antiseptic. What does spraying with neem oil do? Neem oil kills bugs by smothering them. It is a well-loved pest control technique among organic gardeners.
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Post by milee on May 6, 2016 12:52:41 GMT -5
produce from places like New Jersey or Delaware (with their ginormous chemical industries), even if it is organic produce, scares the heck out of me. This is one of my main concerns about tea. Most tea is grown in China, a country with well known issues with pollution in the land, air and water. So the green tea is labeled "USDA Organic", but I'm not sure that really does much about the endemic pollution. And China's a big country, so I have no idea if the pollution is an issue in the areas tea is grown. That last point was driven home for me whenever we have English relatives visit. England is smaller than the state of Florida and English people sometimes don't realize just how big the US is, so they'll talk about popping up for a day to visit a place in North Carolina not understanding that it's a 14 hour drive. So I'm hoping against hope that my knowledge of pollution in China is based on industrial areas that are far from where the tea is grown...
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Post by yogiii on May 6, 2016 12:57:27 GMT -5
I buy organic salad greens and carrots because I think they taste better. There are other things I will buy organic if they are the same price or the only option. Right now I have organic quinoa because it was cheaper due to a sale. My thoughts on organic food are mixed. I am more scared of processed foods so try to avoid those and also try not to eat too much food in general. That keeps weight in check and means less pesticides .
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Post by resolution on May 6, 2016 14:01:53 GMT -5
I know that neem is a powerful antiseptic. What does spraying with neem oil do? Neem oil kills bugs by smothering them. It is a well-loved pest control technique among organic gardeners. My little tree was planted last year and has been eaten by deer, japanese beetles and caterpillars, so I am trying to be proactive this year. I am not sure if it will work on deer as well as the bugs, but hopefully it will make the leaves taste bitter and they will pick on another tree.
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