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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 12:51:22 GMT -5
Ignorance is no excuse. Yes, she can evict with proper warning. No one said otherwise. But she can't just throw her tenant and belongings out and change the locks without following the law. I have never been a landlord, but I have been a tenant. So I am not a 'landlord pro'. Your neighbor was 'naive' to believe that she would not have to comply with the law. No I don't think so. No one would throw belongings of another person to the curb! First things first. Police said to file report. I say file 2! For that and theft. Specially when police had witnessed stolen IDs in tenants wallet!
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Post by milee on Mar 6, 2016 12:52:33 GMT -5
Check with an attorney. Seriously, Loony......you have a disabled tenant involved here and some of these things may complicate things. You trying to give advice is a BAD idea, especially if your friend gets sued by the ADA as a result of something you told her. It just drives me crazy that a regular person gets in this by drug addict thief and she has no rights in her OWN home I have no idea if she can even afford an attorney. People who can usually don't get tenants. I think.
Yeah, and that's exactly what we told you when you thought about taking in a tenant in a room in your house, remember? It can be risky and it's not a do-it-yourself situation if it goes bad.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 12:55:12 GMT -5
Also, it would behoove your friend to follow the letter of the law. With the tenant having an established disability, there are a bunch of resources that the tenant can pull in if she does not. No joke. Even if the tenant wasn't disabled, there are usually several local agencies to provide free legal help for tenants. If the tenant is disabled, then there will be even more resources - like free legal services who will happily sue - that she can access.
The worst part about being sued is that even if the case has no merit at all and you end up winning, you spend thousands and thousands of dollars on legal fees in defending yourself. You may or may not get some of those fees awarded to you if you win. So your tenant who can get free legal help and sue you at no cost to herself has a huge advantage here because nobody is going to defend you for free.
Oh, and wait until she and her legal team get the media involved. The story will go something like, "slum lord illegally evicts disabled young woman." And the gist of the story will omit all her issues and theft and instead claim that she paid all her rent on time and was a model tenant that as soon as she had a health issue her heartless landlord illegally threw her out on the street without proper notice or legal process. She will be an "honor student" who dreams of being a Peace Corps worker or preschool teacher and her dreams are being endangered by this evil landlord who is only concerned with profit.
mille why are you always such gravely dramatic?
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 12:56:22 GMT -5
It just drives me crazy that a regular person gets in this by drug addict thief and she has no rights in her OWN home I have no idea if she can even afford an attorney. People who can usually don't get tenants. I think.
Yeah, and that's exactly what we told you when you thought about taking in a tenant in a room in your house, remember? It can be risky and it's not a do-it-yourself situation if it goes bad. And right after that I had 3! All found boyfriends and moved out happy! My next add would be 'price for the room went up due to the potency of the room to bring happiness'
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Post by milee on Mar 6, 2016 12:57:34 GMT -5
No joke. Even if the tenant wasn't disabled, there are usually several local agencies to provide free legal help for tenants. If the tenant is disabled, then there will be even more resources - like free legal services who will happily sue - that she can access.
The worst part about being sued is that even if the case has no merit at all and you end up winning, you spend thousands and thousands of dollars on legal fees in defending yourself. You may or may not get some of those fees awarded to you if you win. So your tenant who can get free legal help and sue you at no cost to herself has a huge advantage here because nobody is going to defend you for free.
Oh, and wait until she and her legal team get the media involved. The story will go something like, "slum lord illegally evicts disabled young woman." And the gist of the story will omit all her issues and theft and instead claim that she paid all her rent on time and was a model tenant that as soon as she had a health issue her heartless landlord illegally threw her out on the street without proper notice or legal process. She will be an "honor student" who dreams of being a Peace Corps worker or preschool teacher and her dreams are being endangered by this evil landlord who is only concerned with profit.
mille why are you always such gravely dramatic?
Because I'm frankly shocked that you keep getting yourself into such dumb situations even after you have decent advice available to you. It just never changes. Never. When people write to give you decent advice you just ignore it or even get nasty with them. So maybe showing you how bad it can - and probably will - get might get through to you. Or not. Probably not.
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Post by whoami on Mar 6, 2016 13:00:00 GMT -5
mille why are you always such gravely dramatic?
Because I'm frankly shocked that you keep getting yourself into such dumb situations even after you have decent advice available to you. It just never changes. Never. When people write to give you decent advice you just ignore it or even get nasty with them. So maybe showing you how bad it can - and probably will - get might get through to you. Or not. Probably not.
So does this mean you aren't buying the "friend" angle either? LOL
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 6, 2016 13:03:52 GMT -5
Me three.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Mar 6, 2016 13:05:04 GMT -5
Because I'm frankly shocked that you keep getting yourself into such dumb situations even after you have decent advice available to you. It just never changes. Never. When people write to give you decent advice you just ignore it or even get nasty with them. So maybe showing you how bad it can - and probably will - get might get through to you. Or not. Probably not.
So does this mean you aren't buying the "friend" angle either? LOL Wait...you mean someone on this thread WAS buying the "friend" angle? I'm shocked, I tell ya, just shocked. And Loony, to back up what's been said: the landlord has rights, but the tenant, especially a disabled tenant, not only has rights, they may have public sympathy on their side. I have a bonafide disability, and although I do not use to to gain any advantages, I know plenty of people who would, and who do.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 6, 2016 13:07:18 GMT -5
So does this mean you aren't buying the "friend" angle either? LOL Wait...you mean someone on this thread WAS buying the "friend" angle? I'm shocked, I tell ya, just shocked. And Loony, to back up what's been said: the landlord has rights, but the tenant, especially a disabled tenant, not only has rights, they may have public sympathy on their side. I have a bonafide disability, and although I do not use to to gain any advantages, I know plenty of people who would, and who do. Not only that, these are the types of stories that the local news loves to jump on. The landlord usually looks like scum by the end of the report.
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Post by milee on Mar 6, 2016 13:07:40 GMT -5
Because I'm frankly shocked that you keep getting yourself into such dumb situations even after you have decent advice available to you. It just never changes. Never. When people write to give you decent advice you just ignore it or even get nasty with them. So maybe showing you how bad it can - and probably will - get might get through to you. Or not. Probably not.
So does this mean you aren't buying the "friend" angle either? LOL Who knows? Could be her, something to do with the daughter or the mother who she keeps trying to pimp out. But no, I don't think it's just a "friend". Nor do I think she'll actually follow any good advice. So maybe soon we'll be treated to a whole new thread on the indignity of being sued for violating this poor, innocent, disabled tenant's legal rights and how much money it's costing her.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 13:13:34 GMT -5
So does this mean you aren't buying the "friend" angle either? LOL Who knows? Could be her, something to do with the daughter or the mother who she keeps trying to pimp out. But no, I don't think it's just a "friend". Nor do I think she'll actually follow any good advice. So maybe soon we'll be treated to a whole new thread on the indignity of being sued for violating this poor, innocent, disabled tenant's legal rights and how much money it's costing her. It is sad to see how you wallowing in your own negativity
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 13:17:09 GMT -5
To whom it might concern: after my Mom's BF died (in July) she moved back in with us and I have no more rooms to rent.
Like I said all of my tenants got married, engaged etc. So keep having fun. And mille, you are living in a perfect back and white world where everyone just as written in a book. Strange
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Post by milee on Mar 6, 2016 13:21:57 GMT -5
Wait...you mean someone on this thread WAS buying the "friend" angle? I'm shocked, I tell ya, just shocked. And Loony, to back up what's been said: the landlord has rights, but the tenant, especially a disabled tenant, not only has rights, they may have public sympathy on their side. I have a bonafide disability, and although I do not use to to gain any advantages, I know plenty of people who would, and who do. Not only that, these are the types of stories that the local news loves to jump on. The landlord usually looks like scum by the end of the report. One of my friends gave me a first hand view of this. The media loves to print stories that make it look like evil rich people are taking advantage of the disabled poor, even if they have to twist or ignore facts to make it appear so.
The headline story in the newspaper was something along the lines of "Local Hospital Violates Rights of Paraplegic!" The article went on to describe how the evil, heartless corporate hospital was trying to toss a poor, innocent paraplegic out on the street. This paraplegic, who had dreams of being a preschool teacher, was suing to ensure he got basic medical care from the hospital. The article described the situation in a way that implied this poor lamb was going to be literally dumped on the sidewalk without a wheelchair and left to die in the gutter because the hospital wanted to save money.
The facts were that the poor lamb was a 30 something year old who had been injured several years ago in an ATV accident (yes, just like Clevon in "Idiocracy" and yes, his family was just like Clevon's.) Since being partially paralyzed, he had lived in a Medicaid nursing home since none of his family would take him in. Part of why his family wouldn't take care of him was because the family was trailer trash that spent time in and out of jail and part of the reason was that he was a pretty nasty piece of work himself and nobody wanted to spend any time around him and his nastiness. So there he was, stuck pretty much forever in a Medicaid nursing home which he didn't like for obvious reasons. Every few months, his several pack a day smoking habit would land him in the hospital, which he decided he liked a lot more than the Medicaid nursing home. So the last time he was admitted to the hospital, he refused to leave. For months while the hospital tried to figure out how and where to discharge him, he was a nightmare. Spent his time yelling obscenities at the nurses, sexually harassing the nurses and any hospital visitors who walked by and spitting at nurses he didn't like. The hospital had spent months and hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to find an alternate placement for him other than the Medicaid nursing home he didn't want to go back to, but there are limited facilities who are able to care for someone with those needs and has an opening for a Medicaid patient. As soon as they'd find a placement, he'd refuse. And on it went until he got free legal counsel, sued the hospital and went "public" with his claims, which of course the hospital couldn't dispute because of HIPAA requirements.
Moral of the story - disabled tenants have access to a lot of free help. Be very careful how you proceed and follow the law.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Mar 6, 2016 13:22:10 GMT -5
Who knows? Could be her, something to do with the daughter or the mother who she keeps trying to pimp out. But no, I don't think it's just a "friend". Nor do I think she'll actually follow any good advice. So maybe soon we'll be treated to a whole new thread on the indignity of being sued for violating this poor, innocent, disabled tenant's legal rights and how much money it's costing her. It is sad to see how you wallowing in your own negativity There's nothing negative about Milee's posts. She's honest and knows what she's talking about from a business standpoint. I'd be reading her words pretty carefully if you want good advice. You may not like the advice, but that's not the point. It's still good advice. I've received a lot of advice here that I hated on a personal level, but it was still good and useful.
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Post by milee on Mar 6, 2016 13:22:23 GMT -5
Who knows? Could be her, something to do with the daughter or the mother who she keeps trying to pimp out. But no, I don't think it's just a "friend". Nor do I think she'll actually follow any good advice. So maybe soon we'll be treated to a whole new thread on the indignity of being sued for violating this poor, innocent, disabled tenant's legal rights and how much money it's costing her. It is sad to see how you wallowing in your own negativity Oh, don't worry about me. I'm OK.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 6, 2016 13:29:42 GMT -5
Your friend DOES have rights. But she accepted this person as a tenant, apparently without vetting them properly. She also accepted money from them, which means that the tenant also has rights. The responsibility for at least part of this problem lies with your friend. She didn't do HER job properly, which has put her in a pickle. OK, tell me this much. I need extra cash and have some room to rent out. I am taking a tenant. Then I am deciding it isn't working for me because I am a loner. I want tenant out.
Do I have to sell the house to get tenant out? Or tenant is my responsibility to the end of my life because once I had made a mistake
In your example above, you want to let/rent out one of your rooms. So you and the new roomer sign a lease. In the lease you can put in that you as the person renting the room to another have the right to give the person 7 days notice to move out if things are not working out. Or it could be thirty days if you wish. Likewise, you can require the person renting your room that they must give you seven days notice in vacating the room, or thirty days if you like. Everything must be spelled out in the lease and both parties sign it. If it is a married couple of two mates/partners renting the room, then both of them plus you sign the lease. If the person(s) fails to move out after the seven days (or 30 days) notice, you have the right to collect rent for the extra time they have spent in your room as spelled out in the lease. And if they give you less than seven or thirty days notice they are leaving you have the right to keep their deposit as spelled out in the lease. But if you keep their deposit after they leave, you must notify them in writing you are keeping their deposit and the reason why you are doing so usually within thirty days of departure. In some states, if you don't notify the person you are keeping their deposit and why within 30 days of their departure, you could be liable for up to two or three times the amount of the deposit. Once you accept money for a room, an apartment or a house, you are now a landlord. The rules change and you must follow the laws of your state. Failure to do so may backfire on you big time.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 13:30:00 GMT -5
It is sad to see how you wallowing in your own negativity Oh, don't worry about me. I'm OK. yeah. I just read your 'good neighbor' post.
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Post by milee on Mar 6, 2016 13:34:49 GMT -5
Oh, don't worry about me. I'm OK. yeah. I just read your 'good neighbor' post. You're missing the point of it, then - she's moving. So it's all good.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 13:40:20 GMT -5
OK, tell me this much. I need extra cash and have some room to rent out. I am taking a tenant. Then I am deciding it isn't working for me because I am a loner. I want tenant out.
Do I have to sell the house to get tenant out? Or tenant is my responsibility to the end of my life because once I had made a mistake
In your example above, you want to let/rent out one of your rooms. So you and the new roomer sign a lease. In the lease you can put in that you as the person renting the room to another have the right to give the person 7 days notice to move out if things are not working out. Or it could be thirty days if you wish. Likewise, you can require the person renting your room that they must give you seven days notice in vacating the room, or thirty days if you like. Everything must be spelled out in the lease and both parties sign it. If it is a married couple of two mates/partners renting the room, then both of them plus you sign the lease. If the person(s) fails to move out after the seven days (or 30 days) notice, you have the right to collect rent for the extra time they have spent in your room as spelled out in the lease. And if they give you less than seven or thirty days notice they are leaving you have the right to keep their deposit as spelled out in the lease. But if you keep their deposit after they leave, you must notify them in writing you are keeping their deposit and the reason why you are doing so usually within thirty days of departure. In some states, if you don't notify the person you are keeping their deposit and why within 30 days of their departure, you could be liable for up to two or three times the amount of the deposit. Once you accept money for a room, an apartment or a house, you are now a landlord. The rules change and you must follow the laws of your state. Failure to do so may backfire on you big time. Totally understandable, only today I would ad to all the above something about if landlord unsatisfied with behavior of the tenant - landlord has rights to give them notice to vacate.
Because after all there could be time when landlord just don't want a tenant anymore, right?
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 13:41:43 GMT -5
yeah. I just read your 'good neighbor' post. You're missing the point of it, then - she's moving. So it's all good. I don't miss nothing. In a sweet tread about good people you brought story of a bad person who is moving so it is good! In your book there is no good. Sad.
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Post by milee on Mar 6, 2016 13:52:57 GMT -5
You're missing the point of it, then - she's moving. So it's all good. I don't miss nothing.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 6, 2016 14:04:33 GMT -5
In your example above, you want to let/rent out one of your rooms. So you and the new roomer sign a lease. In the lease you can put in that you as the person renting the room to another have the right to give the person 7 days notice to move out if things are not working out. Or it could be thirty days if you wish. Likewise, you can require the person renting your room that they must give you seven days notice in vacating the room, or thirty days if you like. Everything must be spelled out in the lease and both parties sign it. If it is a married couple of two mates/partners renting the room, then both of them plus you sign the lease. If the person(s) fails to move out after the seven days (or 30 days) notice, you have the right to collect rent for the extra time they have spent in your room as spelled out in the lease. And if they give you less than seven or thirty days notice they are leaving you have the right to keep their deposit as spelled out in the lease. But if you keep their deposit after they leave, you must notify them in writing you are keeping their deposit and the reason why you are doing so usually within thirty days of departure. In some states, if you don't notify the person you are keeping their deposit and why within 30 days of their departure, you could be liable for up to two or three times the amount of the deposit. Once you accept money for a room, an apartment or a house, you are now a landlord. The rules change and you must follow the laws of your state. Failure to do so may backfire on you big time. Totally understandable, only today I would ad to all the above something about if landlord unsatisfied with behavior of the tenant - landlord has rights to give them notice to vacate.
Because after all there could be time when landlord just don't want a tenant anymore, right?
Right. You don't have to have any reason at all to end a rental agreement as long as it is spelled out in the lease (7 days, 30 day notice). If it isn't written in the lease, you have little protection. Protect yourself.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 14:29:22 GMT -5
Now that is simply weird. milee, why don't you just ignore me from now on. Just a friendly suggestion...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 14:47:53 GMT -5
Another option might be to offer the tenant a months rent to move out. I am unclear who she stole from, but maybe also offer an agreement not to press charges. I would still have an attorney check out that, but I would think that might still be the cheapest way to go.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 14:48:27 GMT -5
Totally understandable, only today I would ad to all the above something about if landlord unsatisfied with behavior of the tenant - landlord has rights to give them notice to vacate.
Because after all there could be time when landlord just don't want a tenant anymore, right?
Right. You don't have to have any reason at all to end a rental agreement as long as it is spelled out in the lease (7 days, 30 day notice). If it isn't written in the lease, you have little protection. Protect yourself. Thanks that is what I thought. If I want freedom - I can have it whether she is disabled or not, right? I just almost sure they had not wrote any lease. I remember she said her tenant even didn't need a house keys because she doesn't leave the house. Neighbor feeding her and she pays her bit more.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Mar 6, 2016 14:51:13 GMT -5
Your friend DOES have rights. But she accepted this person as a tenant, apparently without vetting them properly. She also accepted money from them, which means that the tenant also has rights. The responsibility for at least part of this problem lies with your friend. She didn't do HER job properly, which has put her in a pickle. OK, tell me this much. I need extra cash and have some room to rent out. I am taking a tenant. Then I am deciding it isn't working for me because I am a loner. I want tenant out.
Do I have to sell the house to get tenant out? Or tenant is my responsibility to the end of my life because once I had made a mistake
Smart landlords enter into written lease agreements with their tenants that spell out each party's rights and responsibilities and obligations during the rental term. The lease will reflect the total agreement and understanding of the parties. You could conceivably draft a lease that gives you, the landlord, the right to evict your tenant at your sole will and discretion so that you could boot a tenant when the relationship stops working for you, the loner. Finding a tenant willing to rent under those one-sided terms is a whole nother matter. Tell your "friend" to rent only upon execution of a written lease form now on.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 14:52:01 GMT -5
Another option might be to offer the tenant a months rent to move out. I am unclear who she stole from, but maybe also offer an agreement not to press charges. I would still have an attorney check out that, but I would think that might still be the cheapest way to go. That is the a great suggestion! Tenant stole neighbors IDs. And money. But while neighbor couldn't prove it she kept shot. Yesterday police retrieved her IDs from tenant's wallet
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Post by tloonya on Mar 6, 2016 14:55:51 GMT -5
OK, tell me this much. I need extra cash and have some room to rent out. I am taking a tenant. Then I am deciding it isn't working for me because I am a loner. I want tenant out.
Do I have to sell the house to get tenant out? Or tenant is my responsibility to the end of my life because once I had made a mistake
Smart landlords enter into written lease agreements with their tenants that spell out each party's rights and responsibilities and obligations during the rental term. The lease will reflect the total agreement and understanding of the parties. You could conceivably draft a lease that gives you, the landlord, the right to evict your tenant at your sole will and discretion so that you could boot a tenant when the relationship stops working for you, the loner. Finding a tenant willing to rent under those one-sided terms is a whole nother matter. Tell your "friend" to rent only upon execution of a written lease form now on. So how about inability to evict disabled? milee has a totally Hollywood opinion about it. She writing a screenplay as we speak I am sure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 14:57:18 GMT -5
Another option might be to offer the tenant a months rent to move out. I am unclear who she stole from, but maybe also offer an agreement not to press charges. I would still have an attorney check out that, but I would think that might still be the cheapest way to go. That is the a great suggestion! Tenant stole neighbors IDs. And money. But while neighbor couldn't prove it she kept shot. Yesterday police retrieved her IDs from tenant's wallet
Is the goal to have justice or to move on from a bad situation? I understand it could be a bit of both, but the sooner she is gone the quicker the room can be rented out again. I think in situations like this the best thing to do is to try to resolve things as quick as possible while being reasonable abut costs. If it costs a bit more but ends I would count that as a win. my opinion for what its worth
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 6, 2016 15:04:02 GMT -5
Loony, I'd love to visit your neighborhood for a day. I can't imagine how it would be.
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