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Post by ugonow on Mar 16, 2011 9:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by handyman2 on Mar 16, 2011 10:00:45 GMT -5
It is called Eugenics and goes way back to 1883 by a guy named Galton and was supported by many prominate people and politicians with a lady named Sanger in this country. it considered many people as sub-human and a waste to society. Sounds crazy does it not?
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 16, 2011 10:04:01 GMT -5
since planned parenthood deliberately and systematically "destroys babies" of all races, cultures, political ideal, etc...I don't quite see where the genocide part comes in.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 16, 2011 10:10:02 GMT -5
Thoughts? It a right wing attack on an organization that provides birth control information, tests for STD's, offers counseling and options for unplanned pregnancies and is responsible for saving the lives of countless women worldwide.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 10:20:14 GMT -5
I believe PP was started with a racist agenda...
from Wikipedia:
Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, a social philosophy which claims that human hereditary traits can be improved through social intervention. Sanger's eugenic policies ran to an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods and full family-planning autonomy for the able-minded, and compulsory segregation or sterilization for the profoundly retarded. She expressly denounced euthanasia as a eugenics tool.
In A Plan for Peace (1932), for example, Sanger proposed a congressional department to:
Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.[22]
And, following:
Apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.[22]
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 16, 2011 10:25:16 GMT -5
since planned parenthood deliberately and systematically "destroys babies" of all races, cultures, political ideal, etc...I don't quite see where the genocide part comes in. While PP will kill babies of any race or ethnicity, they intentionally and deliberately located many of their clinics in the poorest black neighborhoods in the country, and they have historically specifically targeted pregnant black women in accordance with the philosophy of their founder...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 16, 2011 10:29:26 GMT -5
Exactly.
"We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population" - Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood.
"Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are they being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?" quoted from blackgenocide.org
"I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan...I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses...I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak...In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered." (Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography, P.366)
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Mar 16, 2011 10:31:40 GMT -5
I believe PP was started with a racist agenda... from Wikipedia: Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, a social philosophy which claims that human hereditary traits can be improved through social intervention. Sanger's eugenic policies ran to an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods and full family-planning autonomy for the able-minded, and compulsory segregation or sterilization for the profoundly retarded. She expressly denounced euthanasia as a eugenics tool. In A Plan for Peace (1932), for example, Sanger proposed a congressional department to: Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.[22] And, following: Apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.[22] Sanger was a person who didn't like abortion, denounced euthanasia, but was pro birth control and pro woman's rights. She believed in Eugenics but she did not not believe in euthanasia as a solution. She preferred to put the control of a woman's body in the woman's hands. Whether you like her or not she died in 1966 and does not head Planned Parenthood. Associating her with Planned Parenthood is a way to try and incite fear. I'm sure we can list many organizations that was started in US by people that have done amazingly bad things but yet we celebrate the organizations today.
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Post by swamp on Mar 16, 2011 10:45:59 GMT -5
From Wiki: "The Milton Hershey School is a private philanthropic (pre-K through 12) boarding school in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Originally named the Hershey Industrial School, the institution was founded and funded by chocolate industrialist Milton Snavely Hershey and his wife, Catherine Sweeney Hershey. The school was originally established for impoverished, healthy, Caucasian, male orphans"
Milton Hershey was a racist.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 16, 2011 10:50:55 GMT -5
Milton Hershey was a racist.
I doubt he was targeting other ethnic groups. More likely that region of the country had little or no minorities. Nor was genocide the goal.
Power Memorial HS in NYC was founded in the early 20th Century to provide secondary education primarily to the Irish families who settled in NYC. In the 60s, 70s, and 80s, the school population was ethnically very diverse.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 16, 2011 10:55:14 GMT -5
Can you provide some proof for that statement? I have always read the opposite, and all of Sanger's writings support her advocacy of abortion as a means to "cleanse" the population of "undesireables"...
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 16, 2011 10:55:19 GMT -5
We didn't have a single black kid in my high school the four years that I went, but that didn't make us racists. No...but it makes you elitist SOBs....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 11:01:52 GMT -5
Paul, the high percentages of black women getting abortions is definitely a sad state of affairs. But one really has to get at the cultural factors at play there. Black women are often seen in The Community as the caretakers and are charged with the responsibility of helping to sustain the race. But how are we to propagate the race if there are relatively few eligible black mates? With the father out of the picture, how is that girl expected to raise a baby properly on her own? She can't ask her mother for help, as her mother raised HER by herself. With more and more people adopting from outside of the US, what are the options here?
We have to fix ourselves from within, that's the only way to limit the situations that lead to abortions.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Mar 16, 2011 11:03:50 GMT -5
Can you provide some proof for that statement? I have always read the opposite, and all of Sanger's writings support her advocacy of abortion as a means to "cleanse" the population of "undesireables"... Yep Here is a few. en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 16, 2011 11:03:53 GMT -5
But how are we to propagate the race if there are relatively few eligible black mates? With the father out of the picture, how is that girl expected to raise a baby properly on her own? She can't ask her mother for help, as her mother raised HER by herself. With more and more people adopting from outside of the US, what are the options here?
The welfare system and social services encourages and rewards absentee fathers.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Mar 16, 2011 11:07:24 GMT -5
With the help of her wealthy supporters, Sanger was finally able to open the first legal birth control clinic that was staffed entirely by female doctors and social workers. It was the first legal birth control clinic in the U.S. (renamed Margaret Sanger Research Bureau in 1940). It received crucial grants from John D. Rockefeller, Jr.'s Bureau of Social Hygiene from 1924 onward. The grants were made anonymously to avoid public exposure of the Rockefeller name to her agenda. The family also consistently supported her ongoing efforts in regard to population control.[10]
Rockefeller was racist?
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 16, 2011 11:08:28 GMT -5
78% of their clinics are in minority communities.
I fail to see the problem. If that is where the poverty lies and any born into it will be another welfare mouth to feed then it seems to make perfect sense to me.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Mar 16, 2011 11:10:55 GMT -5
Sanger saw birth control as a means to prevent "dysgenic" children from being born into a disadvantaged life, and dismissed "positive eugenics" (which promoted greater fertility for the "fitter" upper classes) as impractical. Though many leaders in the negative eugenics movement were calling for active euthanasia of the "unfit," Sanger spoke out against such methods. She believed that women with the power and knowledge of birth control were in the best position to produce "fit" children. She rejected any type of eugenics that would take control out of the hands of those actually giving birth. Taking sharp issue in plain words with certain other[23] eugenicists, however, Margaret Sanger completely rejected the idea of gassing the unfit. 'Nor do we believe,' wrote Sanger in Pivot of Civilization, 'that the community could or should send to the lethal chamber the defective progeny resulting from irresponsible and unintelligent breeding.'[24][25] Sanger's views thus broke from those proposing Nazi eugenics—an aggressive, and lethal, program. She wrote in a 1933 letter: "All the news from Germany is sad & horrible, and to me more dangerous than any other war going on any where because it has so many good people who applaud the atrocities & claim its right. The sudden antagonism in Germany against the Jews & the vitriolic hatred of them is spreading underground here & is far more dangerous than the aggressive policy of the Japanese in Manchuria.."[26] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Mar 16, 2011 11:11:18 GMT -5
Yeah guys, and isn't Nixon a crook?
Now think real hard and try to differentiate between "are" and "were."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 11:13:06 GMT -5
PP is about preventing new life, and killing any that slips through the cracks. Yes, it is widely used by minorities, and when it was started the purpose was to kill black babies or prevent their conception. I do believe they are now an equal opportunity killer, but stats still show majority of aborted babies are black.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 11:13:22 GMT -5
But how are we to propagate the race if there are relatively few eligible black mates? With the father out of the picture, how is that girl expected to raise a baby properly on her own? She can't ask her mother for help, as her mother raised HER by herself. With more and more people adopting from outside of the US, what are the options here?The welfare system and social services encourages and rewards absentee fathers. I totally agree, but it's a fine line. Doing away with the state subsidies harms the child. It didn't ask to be born, so why should it have to suffer because two people decided to be irresponsible? What I would really like to see is that money being used to help girls BEFORE they become young single mothers. Have more clubs and activities that focus on self-worth and education. But like all things, it starts at home, and unfortunately some parents are unwilling to give their children anything to reach for.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 16, 2011 11:15:23 GMT -5
The "situations that lead to abortions" are carefully crafted for you. A welfare state that encourages irresponsible behavior, a failing government monopoly school system in many minority communities, and a police force and prison system that unfairly targets minorities making it more difficult for them to move up in life. Oh, yeah. I said it. Me. The "right winger". I am well aware that minorities have a harder time with law enforcement-- sometimes due to their own actions, but sometimes for no other reason than being the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood.
So, you pile all of that on top of the standard feminist lies we all get, and it creates a lot of pressure.
Yes, the black community in particular needs to improve from within, but the government has placed every obstacle they can in the way. The Democrats are today where they were during the battle for desegregation: standing right in the school house door, denying door in particular denying poor minorities a choice.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 16, 2011 11:16:13 GMT -5
78% of their clinics are in minority communities.I fail to see the problem. If that is where the poverty lies and any born into it will be another welfare mouth to feed then it seems to make perfect sense to me. The article says the only 10% of abortion clinics are located in black neighborhoods. We have a considerable disagreement on the statistics. Perhaps planned parenthood needs to rebrand to get away from the negative associations in its past. The fact is that it helps a lot of women & overlooking that because of some of the things the founder (who died 45 years ago) said is ridiculous. I'm sure many famous people from 50-100 years ago said things that would be considered outrageous in today's society.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Mar 16, 2011 11:29:44 GMT -5
78% of their clinics are in minority communities.I fail to see the problem. If that is where the poverty lies and any born into it will be another welfare mouth to feed then it seems to make perfect sense to me. The article says the only 10% of abortion clinics are located in black neighborhoods. We have a considerable disagreement on the statistics. Perhaps planned parenthood needs to rebrand to get away from the negative associations in its past. The fact is that it helps a lot of women & overlooking that because of some of the things the founder (who died 45 years ago) said is ridiculous. I'm sure many famous people from 50-100 years ago said things that would be considered outrageous in today's society. This was the world she lived in. She advocated for Voluntary Eugenics. She believed that a woman knew her body best and that birth control was the best option over abortion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 11:31:38 GMT -5
Paul, I completely agree with what you're saying. But the external forces keeping the black community "down" then create a sense of hopelessness among the people, that failure is inevitable. That in turn leads to actions that might get them noticed by law enforcement... and the cycle continues.
I read a book a few years ago called "Scam" by Rev. Jesse (I believe his last name was) Patterson. He basically said that so-called black leaders encourage the victim mentality and that the only way to rise up was to encourage personal responsibility and education.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Mar 16, 2011 11:33:22 GMT -5
"One of the earliest modern advocates of eugenics (before it was labeled as such) was Alexander Graham Bell. In 1881 Bell investigated the rate of deafness on Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts"
Not Alexander Graham Bell.... Antiabortionists should cease using phones!!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 16, 2011 11:48:56 GMT -5
Yeah guys, and isn't Nixon a crook? Now think real hard and try to differentiate between "are" and "were." Yes, and we also need to be reminded that her racist, genocidal legacy lives on in a Planned Parenthood abortion mill near you...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 16, 2011 11:51:30 GMT -5
So, Planned Parenthood isn't a taxpayer funded organ of the state? Great. We can defund it then now and let the market decide.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 16, 2011 11:54:48 GMT -5
We didn't have a single black kid in my high school the four years that I went, but that didn't make us racists. Maybe folks of color are simply smart enough to realize it's damned cold up there.
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