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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 7:35:13 GMT -5
Very long! I think a good two or three months now? They interviewed 6, including me, per state regulations. I'll hopefully hear something next week. I'm getting a bad feeling I'm not going to get it, and the person who is would be awful. I sure hope I'm wrong. My magic wand has just been lying on the window sill all summer doing nothing except soaking up rays. I'm gonna give it a couple of waves. Can't hurt.
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Post by shanendoah on Sept 23, 2020 10:18:48 GMT -5
I have applied for three jobs in the last couple of weeks. One would keep me in academia, though move me to a different institution. Pay would be pretty much identical, but it would be a title bump. The other two should be pay bumps. One is a title change that might be considered a down step, but would move me from generalized administration to specializing in finances. The third (which I just applied to on Monday) is a Chief of Staff job, so jump in title and pay, and shorter commute once we start working in offices again. It is the one I am most interested in, but also the one that didn't allow for a cover letter.
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Post by shanendoah on Sept 23, 2020 10:20:00 GMT -5
And, I typed the above and switched back over to my email to see an invitation to interview for the other job in academia.
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Post by flutterby on Sept 24, 2020 20:40:33 GMT -5
Very long! I think a good two or three months now? They interviewed 6, including me, per state regulations. I'll hopefully hear something next week. I'm getting a bad feeling I'm not going to get it, and the person who is would be awful. I sure hope I'm wrong. My magic wand has just been lying on the window sill all summer doing nothing except soaking up rays. I'm gonna give it a couple of waves. Can't hurt. I @missrigby
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Post by flutterby on Sept 28, 2020 18:12:46 GMT -5
@missrigby your wand is broken
I didn't get the promotion. So what superstar did they give it to, you ask? Someone with no government or grant or managerial experience for a governmental grant manager position of course
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 18:15:03 GMT -5
@missrigby your wand is broken
I didn't get the promotion. So what superstar did they give it to, you ask? Someone with no government or grant or managerial experience for a governmental grant manager position of course Oh, no! What good is a magic wand if it doesn't work? Of course the job went to somebody with no practical experience
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Post by ners on Sept 28, 2020 18:34:01 GMT -5
Sorry flutterby. From my point of view that does not seem like a good hire.
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Post by debthaven on Sept 29, 2020 12:27:48 GMT -5
I'm sorry Flutterby. That's ridiculous!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 29, 2020 13:15:31 GMT -5
sorry flutterby!
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Post by shanendoah on Sept 29, 2020 15:09:25 GMT -5
Sorry flutterby. That sucks.
I officially got notice today that I did not get the other academia job. This is good. Honestly, I should have contacted them Monday morning and told them to take me out of consideration. They had a very aggressive timeline for getting someone into the position, one that I wouldn't have been comfortable with. I want to be able to give 3-4 weeks notice at my current position, and they really wanted someone in in less than 2 weeks.
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Post by shanendoah on Sept 30, 2020 11:56:21 GMT -5
Heard on the Chief of Staff job today that I am not under consideration. However, there are some other Chief of Staff jobs I've got pulled up that I need to apply for.
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Post by justme on Oct 1, 2020 11:57:36 GMT -5
So the guy from Amazon just disappeared. So weird.
However another recruiter contact me about a different job and I'm interested in it. It keeps with Tableau, which is where I've done 90% of my work for the past 2+ years whereas my current company is phasing it out because it's too expensive. It's not a title change (if anything it's a bump down because my current company tacked a "Lead" onto the front of my title for my promotion since there wasn't another option) but my current salary is the bottom of the range the recruiter gave so likely a good price bump.
It's a MUCH smaller company from my current one. It's international, with US headquarters and the role is the 3rd position in finance in the US office, but they're apparently growing and the VP needs another person in the office doing pretty much exactly what I'm doing now. Except I would work directly with leadership whereas currently my boss takes what I do and shows it to leadership without me in the meetings.
Following up with the recruiter tomorrow to answer any questions I have and if I'm still interested in the position.
It's so weird because my last company was privately held and I didn't care - but I also had graduated 9 months before and did not have a job. And now this is a privately own company from what I can tell and I'm like but how do I find anything about them?!?!?!!!!
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Post by justme on Oct 2, 2020 12:49:39 GMT -5
Hmmm a little concerned about the job since the recruiter mentioned something about 50/60 hour weeks and then when I said something back said something about the guy hiring saying it shouldn't be more than 40/45/50 if you set everything up right. She's still waiting on more info from them, so it seems like a relatively new job posting so she might not have a full clear idea picture.
My philosophy is that if the job is more than 40 hours you need to hire more people. I have no desire to work more than 40 hours a week unless I'm paid well for it, and even then I still might not be ok with it. I did the math, and if it is consistently 5/10 hours a week more than I am now that bumps up my "current' pay a significant amount which means I'd expect an even bigger bump. ie if say adding 5 hours at my current rate is $10k more a year I'd expect at least a $20k increase since half of that is just to pay for my extra hours.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 3, 2020 14:42:52 GMT -5
Hmmm a little concerned about the job since the recruiter mentioned something about 50/60 hour weeks and then when I said something back said something about the guy hiring saying it shouldn't be more than 40/45/50 if you set everything up right. She's still waiting on more info from them, so it seems like a relatively new job posting so she might not have a full clear idea picture. My philosophy is that if the job is more than 40 hours you need to hire more people. I have no desire to work more than 40 hours a week unless I'm paid well for it, and even then I still might not be ok with it. I did the math, and if it is consistently 5/10 hours a week more than I am now that bumps up my "current' pay a significant amount which means I'd expect an even bigger bump. ie if say adding 5 hours at my current rate is $10k more a year I'd expect at least a $20k increase since half of that is just to pay for my extra hours. This is a utopia that I have never been to.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 3, 2020 14:43:50 GMT -5
@missrigby your wand is broken
I didn't get the promotion. So what superstar did they give it to, you ask? Someone with no government or grant or managerial experience for a governmental grant manager position of course
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Post by justme on Oct 3, 2020 17:33:18 GMT -5
Hmmm a little concerned about the job since the recruiter mentioned something about 50/60 hour weeks and then when I said something back said something about the guy hiring saying it shouldn't be more than 40/45/50 if you set everything up right. She's still waiting on more info from them, so it seems like a relatively new job posting so she might not have a full clear idea picture. My philosophy is that if the job is more than 40 hours you need to hire more people. I have no desire to work more than 40 hours a week unless I'm paid well for it, and even then I still might not be ok with it. I did the math, and if it is consistently 5/10 hours a week more than I am now that bumps up my "current' pay a significant amount which means I'd expect an even bigger bump. ie if say adding 5 hours at my current rate is $10k more a year I'd expect at least a $20k increase since half of that is just to pay for my extra hours. This is a utopia that I have never been to. Which is just the screwed up part of the American workforce. I was chatting with my mom about it earlier and she only worked FT for a handful of years before she had kids and my dad worked a standard 40hr week except for emergencies and the one time a year where extra time was required but it became comp time so he got like 2 extra weeks of vacation for it. So she didn't know that this whole over 40 hours a week is almost strictly an American thing. I don't foresee the government making any changes on this. All I can do is select my jobs with this in mind, and if I get into a management position.
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Post by jerseygirl on Oct 3, 2020 20:00:28 GMT -5
This is a utopia that I have never been to. [/fontbr] I don't foresee the government making any changes on this. All I can do is select my jobs with this in mind, and if I get into a management position. [ In my experience over time REALLY starts when you’re in management!
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 3, 2020 22:17:51 GMT -5
[ In my experience over time REALLY starts when you’re in management! In my experience also. I work waaaaaay more as a manager than I did as a "regular" salaried employee. And as a "regular" salaried employee, I worked at least 50 hours per week. The quote box is being difficult. This is Chloe.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 3, 2020 22:19:37 GMT -5
This is a utopia that I have never been to. Which is just the screwed up part of the American workforce. I was chatting with my mom about it earlier and she only worked FT for a handful of years before she had kids and my dad worked a standard 40hr week except for emergencies and the one time a year where extra time was required but it became comp time so he got like 2 extra weeks of vacation for it. So she didn't know that this whole over 40 hours a week is almost strictly an American thing. I don't foresee the government making any changes on this. All I can do is select my jobs with this in mind, and if I get into a management position. I'm not sure I knew it was just an American thing. I suppose I assumed it was a capitalist economy thing. We're taught to be grateful that unions forced the government to get us down to (supposed) 40-hour weeks.
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Post by tcu2003 on Oct 4, 2020 0:14:12 GMT -5
I’m with Chloe - as a manager, I generally work way more than 40 hours per week.
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Post by justme on Oct 4, 2020 14:51:44 GMT -5
Which is just the screwed up part of the American workforce. I was chatting with my mom about it earlier and she only worked FT for a handful of years before she had kids and my dad worked a standard 40hr week except for emergencies and the one time a year where extra time was required but it became comp time so he got like 2 extra weeks of vacation for it. So she didn't know that this whole over 40 hours a week is almost strictly an American thing. I don't foresee the government making any changes on this. All I can do is select my jobs with this in mind, and if I get into a management position. I'm not sure I knew it was just an American thing. I suppose I assumed it was a capitalist economy thing. We're taught to be grateful that unions forced the government to get us down to (supposed) 40-hour weeks. The few people I know in Canada not from this board tend to work a 40 hour week. Or at least get overtime for over 40 (which is in some ways my bigger comparing complaint - the shitty you're exempt so we can work you to the bone bs and not pay for it). Even in management - one in management I know had to work a ton of overtime when the workers were on strike and he got paid for every extra hour. I don't know a ton of people in Europe, but the few I've known have never mentioned routinely working over 40 hours. I do think it has some part with capitalism, but in America we've been OK with the laws favoring corporations for a long ass time and it's not just with regards to hours in a work week.
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Post by debthaven on Oct 4, 2020 15:24:00 GMT -5
I don't know a ton of people in Europe, but the few I've known have never mentioned routinely working over 40 hours.It really depends on your industry and seniority. Plenty of people do. This said, France has 5 weeks of paid vacation. The Scandinavian countries have more. So for sure, globally there is a better work/life balance in Europe. And unlike in the US, there are no "brownie points" for giving up vacation days. Here you're seen as unorganized and/or lame if you claim you can't take your vacation. You may need to check in with the office while you're on vacation though. With 5 weeks off, sometimes you can, and sometimes you can't. That's fine too. (We also have paid/low-cost heathcare.) But my DS2 and his 2 partners (all about your age I think) routinely work 70h weeks. But it's THEIR start-up, so that changes things. They all say they can't keep that up forever, but for now they're all single and childless, so they do iit. My friend's husband had a HUGE nervous breakdown last spring after working 80h weeks for years (as Head of Europe for a US company). So it happens plenty here too, but certainly less. ETA: To be clear justme , I DO agree that a work/life balance is crucial, and definitely something to aspire to! I absolutely think you are wise to take that into consideration!
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Post by justme on Oct 4, 2020 22:29:24 GMT -5
I wonder how it looks hours wise if you don't include those that work for US companies. The person I know the best in Europe is actually in England and we had a long chat because his company was thinking of opening a US office and was trying to figure out what's normal or expected over here.
The crazy hours is half the reason I never fully entertained starting my own business (graduating with a shit ton of pre existing conditions was pretty much the other half). But the difference there is at least you get an upside.
I'm sure being in finance jades me more than others in other positions, but maybe I wouldn't mind extra hours so much if companies actually compensated for it. My first job was a gov contractor so we could only work OT with permission, and while we weren't given 1.5 we were paid straight. Because the gov still paid them for every hour work. In the private world the company still gets your time and your labor, but you don't have to pay for it. Which is ridiculous because if they sell a product based on hours they sure as hell are charging you for every hour. Like my company isn't like I know you originally ordered 100 widgets, but ended up needing 150 - we're still just going to charge you for the 100. No company does that! Why do people?!?!
But I also realized any thoughts of c suite are pretty much gone because most companies expect them to have no life otherwise. Though actually some of those might pay me enough to do that (and I'd peace out and retire after two or so years raking in millions if I was working 70+ hours) it's the in between.
I work to live. Not the other way.
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Post by Ava on Oct 14, 2020 6:39:39 GMT -5
I completely agree with justme and I'm glad we're starting to realize how messed up the work environment is in the US. I remember a few years ago other posters giving me bad feedback because I make taking a month off work every year to travel back home a priority. It's still a priority and I put it above a promotion or more money. A 40-hour workweek is also a priority. We are under a huge workload and a lot of stress right now. My coworker and I went in-person to the office on Saturday to work all day and try to catch up. We don't get compensated for it. We managed to make some dent on the pile but we're already falling behind again. What do we get in exchange? Horrible feedback, snark, complaints because what we're doing is apparently not good enough.
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Post by Ava on Oct 14, 2020 6:50:52 GMT -5
So out of frustration and trying to take a small break, I logged in the internal jobs website yesterday.
I saw two I'm interested in and I plan to apply to both today.
Job 1 is located in Texas, in the Dallas area. It's for a subsidiary of the main company (I work for a subsidiary but a different one). I'm very qualified for this job as it's the same line of work I do now but it's one paygrade above mine. The job description says there's a possibility of it being 100% remote. I wouldn't mind moving to Texas right now. A change in job, a change in environment would be good for me I think. I'm kind of set in my ways and stagnating. Being 100% remote may mean different things. Some jobs are remote but request that you remain in-state. I would move to Texas, I think I'll like the change. If they mean anywhere in the US I'll probably move to Florida with a remote job. In general I like my job, my manager and my coworkers but I'm open to a new opportunity.
Job 2 is located in Iowa. It's the same job description and for the same subsidiary company as Job 1. I would not move to Iowa. There's no way I would. But this job also says possible 100% remote. If by remote they mean I can be anywhere in the country I would take it if offered. If they mean anywhere in Iowa I'm not interested. But I'm going to apply and see what happens.
I consider my possibilities of getting either job pretty low. One of the few things I don't like about the company I work for is that they tend to overlook internal candidates in favor of external ones. But no harm in applying.
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Oct 14, 2020 7:53:22 GMT -5
Good luck Ava. I’m rooting for you.
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Post by Ava on Oct 14, 2020 16:58:39 GMT -5
Good luck Ava. I’m rooting for you. Thank you, Anne!
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Post by Ava on Oct 14, 2020 17:00:04 GMT -5
Application sent. And now we wait.
I finally sent only one. When I looked again there were three jobs with the same description; one in TX , one in IA and one in MO. It's the same job description and under the same manager, so I only applied to the Texas job.
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Post by cktc on Oct 14, 2020 19:24:33 GMT -5
I finally psyched myself up to apply for a new job. It's scary because I'll be taking a step back financially, but in the longterm I think it will be worth it.
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Post by shanendoah on Oct 19, 2020 17:09:33 GMT -5
I just completed an application for a Director of Operations role where I had to record video answers to questions. My guess is this is basically their screening interview so that they have the answers to their standard questions, but do not have to coordinate time between their HR or hiring manager and all the applicants. I'd never done this before. It was definitely interesting as a new experience.
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