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Post by chiver78 on Jun 18, 2020 14:42:18 GMT -5
need some advice. I still need to give a number (or package w/bonuses) I'm hoping becomes a salary offer. general rule of thumb is to give yourself a raise when changing companies, if at all possible. this position would be a step up in title, managing direct reports (which I am not doing now) as well as a complete lifestyle change with all the travel. but, I'm asking for leniency in working remotely most of the time, when I don't think that was the intent. there's also the exchange rate to consider, I would think (I could also be totally wrong here) that if I'm based in the US, that I'd be paid in dollars? it is a global company, although no mfg is in the US. so what is a reasonable ask here? I'm not sure what's reasonable in general, and whether that changes in the current COVID environment, and if so.....how much? let's say for the sake of round numbers, that my salary is $100k, with a bonus that could be up to 15% of my salary. what's reasonable?
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 18, 2020 14:47:59 GMT -5
Ask for MORE than what you’re now making in the US. You’ve already been told you have the unique skill set that’s needed. Plus bonus and certainly paid in US dollars. Can you research comparable positions? In your present or past companies were there even vaguely similar positions? Do not sell yourself short!!!
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 18, 2020 14:54:24 GMT -5
Ask for MORE than what you’re now making in the US. You’ve already been told you have the unique skill set that’s needed. Plus bonus and certainly paid in US dollars. Can you research comparable positions? In your present or past companies were there even vaguely similar positions? Do not sell yourself short!!! thank you....this is why I'm asking you brilliant folks here. I have always undercut my own value. in this case, I didn't seek this one out. so I should really be able to name my number, within reason, and go from there. the problem is, what's reasonable? what is the general "ask for this much (%) of a raise" when changing jobs? I don't even know.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 18, 2020 15:19:57 GMT -5
Ask for MORE than what you’re now making in the US. You’ve already been told you have the unique skill set that’s needed. Plus bonus and certainly paid in US dollars. Can you research comparable positions? In your present or past companies were there even vaguely similar positions? Do not sell yourself short!!! thank you....this is why I'm asking you brilliant folks here. I have always undercut my own value. in this case, I didn't seek this one out. so I should really be able to name my number, within reason, and go from there. the problem is, what's reasonable? what is the general "ask for this much (%) of a raise" when changing jobs? I don't even know. Really try to get some comparables. The head hunter surely knows salary range, would be very surprised if not. Once you have the salary range then look at comparables online for YOUR location. Maybe salary.com and Glassdoor Besides having unique skill set a lot of people wouldn’t even consider Iceland so that cuts down competition. The head hunter will (should) try to get best salary for you as the HH will probably get a % Think of buying a house, you’d surely want to know asking price(salary range). You wouldn’t just come up with a bid price without knowing comparable sales. The real estate agent would also have pricing info
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Post by saveinla on Jun 18, 2020 15:32:18 GMT -5
need some advice. I still need to give a number (or package w/bonuses) I'm hoping becomes a salary offer. general rule of thumb is to give yourself a raise when changing companies, if at all possible. this position would be a step up in title, managing direct reports (which I am not doing now) as well as a complete lifestyle change with all the travel. but, I'm asking for leniency in working remotely most of the time, when I don't think that was the intent. there's also the exchange rate to consider, I would think (I could also be totally wrong here) that if I'm based in the US, that I'd be paid in dollars? it is a global company, although no mfg is in the US. so what is a reasonable ask here? I'm not sure what's reasonable in general, and whether that changes in the current COVID environment, and if so.....how much? let's say for the sake of round numbers, that my salary is $100k, with a bonus that could be up to 15% of my salary. what's reasonable? If you want 150K, ask for 170K at least and leave room for negotiation - either travel expenses, vacation, other benefits etc. What is the harm in asking - they can only say No. If you think it's worth more, ask for that. Don't sell yourself short. Sometimes, the initial salary is what is worth the switch. Good luck.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 18, 2020 15:40:57 GMT -5
yeah, I'm not coming up with much for comps here. quality engineering manager tends to pull up industrial/mechanical engineering companies. quality assurance manager doesn't necessarily mean an engineer (and the average is still well below what I'm making now) so I think I'm going to have to just throw a dart at the wall and hope I don't price myself out. how much do they want me? I'm just worried about selling myself short, is all.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 18, 2020 15:43:55 GMT -5
need some advice. I still need to give a number (or package w/bonuses) I'm hoping becomes a salary offer. general rule of thumb is to give yourself a raise when changing companies, if at all possible. this position would be a step up in title, managing direct reports (which I am not doing now) as well as a complete lifestyle change with all the travel. but, I'm asking for leniency in working remotely most of the time, when I don't think that was the intent. there's also the exchange rate to consider, I would think (I could also be totally wrong here) that if I'm based in the US, that I'd be paid in dollars? it is a global company, although no mfg is in the US. so what is a reasonable ask here? I'm not sure what's reasonable in general, and whether that changes in the current COVID environment, and if so.....how much? let's say for the sake of round numbers, that my salary is $100k, with a bonus that could be up to 15% of my salary. what's reasonable? If you want 150K, ask for 170K at least and leave room for negotiation - either travel expenses, vacation, other benefits etc. What is the harm in asking - they can only say No. If you think it's worth more, ask for that. Don't sell yourself short. Sometimes, the initial salary is what is worth the switch. Good luck. thanks for this. I'm over $100k and was feeling strange about saying $140k. so this is helpful. I think where I'm trying to rationalize my worth (I know..) is that I'm asking for the flexibility to work remotely, and while MY travel would be covered, I now have to worry about costs for my dogs, paying sitters, etc while I'm away. also, I recognize not the company's problem. just trying to find that happy spot where it all makes sense.
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Post by gs11rmb on Jun 18, 2020 16:47:02 GMT -5
If you want 150K, ask for 170K at least and leave room for negotiation - either travel expenses, vacation, other benefits etc. What is the harm in asking - they can only say No. If you think it's worth more, ask for that. Don't sell yourself short. Sometimes, the initial salary is what is worth the switch. Good luck. thanks for this. I'm over $100k and was feeling strange about saying $140k. so this is helpful. I think where I'm trying to rationalize my worth (I know..) is that I'm asking for the flexibility to work remotely, and while MY travel would be covered, I now have to worry about costs for my dogs, paying sitters, etc while I'm away. also, I recognize not the company's problem. just trying to find that happy spot where it all makes sense. That is something to take into consideration. If you go to Iceland every two months then the company has to pay for six flights, plus hotel, etc. every year. Perhaps you could acknowledge that in your request - at least discuss with the recruiter. Examples: 1. You request $140K plus relocation package to Iceland. 2. You offer to work remotely for $125K and company pays your travel costs six time a year for as long as you work for them.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 18, 2020 17:13:22 GMT -5
yeah, I'm not coming up with much for comps here. quality engineering manager tends to pull up industrial/mechanical engineering companies. quality assurance manager doesn't necessarily mean an engineer (and the average is still well below what I'm making now) so I think I'm going to have to just throw a dart at the wall and hope I don't price myself out. how much do they want me? I'm just worried about selling myself short, is all. What did head hunter say is salary range? Or did company contact you directly?
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 18, 2020 17:25:49 GMT -5
yeah, I'm not coming up with much for comps here. quality engineering manager tends to pull up industrial/mechanical engineering companies. quality assurance manager doesn't necessarily mean an engineer (and the average is still well below what I'm making now) so I think I'm going to have to just throw a dart at the wall and hope I don't price myself out. how much do they want me? I'm just worried about selling myself short, is all. What did head hunter say is salary range? Or did company contact you directly? HH hasn't given me one.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 18, 2020 18:10:08 GMT -5
What did head hunter say is salary range? Or did company contact you directly? HH hasn't given me one. Tell recruiter that you need it!!! Recruiter has an interest in filling position with as much salary as possible
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Post by shanendoah on Jun 18, 2020 18:21:44 GMT -5
thanks for this. I'm over $100k and was feeling strange about saying $140k. so this is helpful. I think where I'm trying to rationalize my worth (I know..) is that I'm asking for the flexibility to work remotely, and while MY travel would be covered, I now have to worry about costs for my dogs, paying sitters, etc while I'm away. also, I recognize not the company's problem. just trying to find that happy spot where it all makes sense. That is something to take into consideration. If you go to Iceland every two months then the company has to pay for six flights, plus hotel, etc. every year. Perhaps you could acknowledge that in your request - at least discuss with the recruiter. Examples: 1. You request $140K plus relocation package to Iceland. 2. You offer to work remotely for $125K and company pays your travel costs six time a year for as long as you work for them. Relocation to Iceland would NOT come with a pay of $140k US. My friend who made $130k US at his last US job makes $60k US in Sweden and says Iceland (where he has also interviewed) is roughly same range for cost of living. So that's the trickiest part of this.
And given that, the answer may be that chiver78's unwillingness to relocate (and I am totally with her on not relocating) prices her out period, especially if they are a company that doesn't generally have remote workers and are not already set up for managing the complex tax and benefit situation of paying someone outside of their own country. Unless, of course, she is the exact candidate they want. At which point, no matter what number she lists, they will at least come back with a negotiation.
So I would use that thought process as a way for chiver to free herself from worrying about costing herself out of this. If she think $140k would be a reasonable salary in the US for the job they want her to do, that's what she should ask for. Reasons she might be willing to take less is if she will still get the 15 paid holidays and 24 days of vacation every year that she would get if she were in Iceland. She could also take retirement contributions and what they would contribute toward her health insurance, that whole total compensation package, into account.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 18, 2020 18:27:47 GMT -5
What did head hunter say is salary range? Or did company contact you directly? HH hasn't given me one. Does the recruiter know what you currently make? I'm always asked that up front
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 18, 2020 18:30:20 GMT -5
Also, is the recruiter US based or overseas?
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 18, 2020 19:19:16 GMT -5
thanks for that, shanendoah. hugely helpful. I'll give him a number (overall) I am comfortable with, and if that prices me out, then this wasn't my job. 🤷♀️
jelloshots - recruiter is in London. he knows what I make bc I answered honestly when asked. it is also something easy enough to verify by a credit check. so no point in lying about it, either.
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Post by azucena on Jun 18, 2020 19:50:44 GMT -5
I don't think you have to discount for travel costs of working remotely. I don't think our remote professionals have lower salaries. That's something a good recruiter would know.
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Post by gs11rmb on Jun 18, 2020 19:59:46 GMT -5
I don't think you have to discount for travel costs of working remotely. I don't think our remote professionals have lower salaries. That's something a good recruiter would know. Are your company's remote professionals travelling from overseas?
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Post by finnime on Jun 18, 2020 20:46:44 GMT -5
$140k seems like a reasonable jumping off point. In some ways what you're making now is not terribly relevant except that you should make more, given a risk you'd be taking in changing companies. Nor is travel expenses--they are what they are. You, too, as you pointed out, incur costs for travel.
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Post by justme on Jun 18, 2020 21:03:28 GMT -5
If they have no manufacturing in the US does that mean they have no employees in the US? Beyond pay I'd wonder if there's any monetary complications to doing this. Will you have to pay taxes in Iceland as well?
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 18, 2020 21:07:53 GMT -5
between chatting with y'all here, and with AZ, who is my own personal Phil the last year or so, I actually have more questions and variables than when I asked for help earlier. so what I sent out to the recruiter tonight was basically that, that I had questions still, and would he have some time tomorrow morning (my time) before he submits his candidates tomorrow. will obv keep y'all posted.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 18, 2020 22:28:57 GMT -5
We fired one of our new IT hardware guys. His response was to send a badly worded email saying he was going to call the FBI on us. I think he lasted 6 weeks. Oh, and the person supervising hm is the devil and the root of all evil...
Needless to say, we're changing a metric shit ton of passwords on Monday.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 19, 2020 7:19:26 GMT -5
thanks for that, shanendoah. hugely helpful. I'll give him a number (overall) I am comfortable with, and if that prices me out, then this wasn't my job. 🤷♀️ jelloshots - recruiter is in London. he knows what I make bc I answered honestly when asked. it is also something easy enough to verify by a credit check. so no point in lying about it, either. chiver I always answer honestly about my comp. In the past recruiters have told me not to discuss it with the employer, but if an employer contacts me directly, I tell them I am transparent because it makes no sense to waste anyone's time by getting to a final round of interviews and find out the salary is way off base.
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Post by azucena on Jun 19, 2020 7:25:11 GMT -5
I don't think you have to discount for travel costs of working remotely. I don't think our remote professionals have lower salaries. That's something a good recruiter would know. Are your company's remote professionals travelling from overseas? Some are. I think my company views travel as a cost of hiring better talent.
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Post by gs11rmb on Jun 19, 2020 7:34:39 GMT -5
Are your company's remote professionals travelling from overseas? Some are. I think my company views travel as a cost of hiring better talent. Sounds like you work for a good company
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 19, 2020 10:45:07 GMT -5
between chatting with y'all here, and with AZ, who is my own personal Phil the last year or so, I actually have more questions and variables than when I asked for help earlier. so what I sent out to the recruiter tonight was basically that, that I had questions still, and would he have some time tomorrow morning (my time) before he submits his candidates tomorrow. will obv keep y'all posted. no response from the recruiter, and it's now past EOB for him. guess I don't have any more answers today than I did yesterday. had a snarky morning with the supply chain folks at my current place. thanks for wasting my time making me find and enumerate where you can find the docs you CC'd everyone and their mother that you don't have, when you already do. as if I didn't already not have enough time in the day to get both jobs done. feeling a bit defeated today. good thing it's Friday. my boss actually checked in after I sent out a professional yet blunt "here's where you can find the shit I already gave you" email on reply-ALL. since, yanno, everyone and their mother includes a few directors. I'm done playing nice. he complimented my wordsmithing and wanted a general check-in on my head space today. I had already reached out yesterday about some concerns that my peer has been taking the lead on making the same complaints for weeks already - about a specific person and how they conduct themselves as though the world is on fire, similar to a college professor who thinks his class is the only one you're taking. this isn't a new problem, but it is absolutely the reason I answered the recruiter's cold call last week.
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Post by ners on Jun 19, 2020 12:01:41 GMT -5
We fired one of our new IT hardware guys. His response was to send a badly worded email saying he was going to call the FBI on us. I think he lasted 6 weeks. Oh, and the person supervising hm is the devil and the root of all evil...
Needless to say, we're changing a metric shit ton of passwords on Monday.
Why are you waiting until Monday?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 19, 2020 13:01:51 GMT -5
We fired one of our new IT hardware guys. His response was to send a badly worded email saying he was going to call the FBI on us. I think he lasted 6 weeks. Oh, and the person supervising hm is the devil and the root of all evil...
Needless to say, we're changing a metric shit ton of passwords on Monday.
Why are you waiting until Monday? Because that's when my manager said we'd be doing it. Plus all of us should be in the office on Monday. I took today as a vacation day.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 19, 2020 13:26:08 GMT -5
We fired one of our new IT hardware guys. His response was to send a badly worded email saying he was going to call the FBI on us. I think he lasted 6 weeks. Oh, and the person supervising hm is the devil and the root of all evil...
Needless to say, we're changing a metric shit ton of passwords on Monday.
Why are you waiting until Monday? Cause even the devil needs a day off.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jun 19, 2020 14:41:32 GMT -5
If you want 150K, ask for 170K at least and leave room for negotiation - either travel expenses, vacation, other benefits etc. What is the harm in asking - they can only say No. If you think it's worth more, ask for that. Don't sell yourself short. Sometimes, the initial salary is what is worth the switch. Good luck. thanks for this. I'm over $100k and was feeling strange about saying $140k. so this is helpful. I think where I'm trying to rationalize my worth (I know..) is that I'm asking for the flexibility to work remotely, and while MY travel would be covered, I now have to worry about costs for my dogs, paying sitters, etc while I'm away. also, I recognize not the company's problem. just trying to find that happy spot where it all makes sense. I'm late in chiming in, but a few thoughts: 1. This position will pull from ALL of your past experience -- a gestalt position, rather than a piecemeal position. Your responsibility will be the sum of all of the parts, so your compensation should reflect that. I think $140k should be your minimum. 2. The company obviously couldn't find anyone in Iceland (or any of their other global locations) to fill the position, so they are actively recruiting in the U.S. and should, therefore, expect to pay U.S. salaries. 3. They initiated contact knowing full well that you live in the U. S. They should anticipate that a U. S. resident will have to travel periodically to Iceland. That is part of their cost, not yours. They will build that in to the price of the product. Don't discount your salary to accommodate the "commuting" costs. If they want you bad enough, they'll pay. 4. If you ever consider relocating (and I know that you currently wouldn't given the pups), I have worked in multinational corporations and can tell you that folks who re-locate internationally usually get a set number of paid trips back to their homeland each year as a benefit along with their expected salary. Be sure to build that in to your offer/employment contract. Good luck (IF you want it)!! And if you don't, at least it gave you a view of what your next career step could be here in the U. S.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 19, 2020 15:03:14 GMT -5
Why are you waiting until Monday? Cause even the devil needs a day off. The 'devil' in this case is also about to go out on paternity leave in a couple of weeks.
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