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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 9, 2019 15:25:26 GMT -5
Enjoy your vacation, Drama. Please do the out of office on the email and phone on do not disturb. Do not answer calls from work while you are off. You deserve a vacation from work. Email is set up to cover my ass. The upside to working in a lab is I can't take work with me.🤗
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 9, 2019 16:54:59 GMT -5
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 9, 2019 19:23:19 GMT -5
I’m in a bit of a conundrum and would like any input y’all have. How much loyalty do u give ur boss? And if u are a supervisor, how much do u expect from ur employees? I work at a large organization that has smaller “satellite” sites. I work at the main location. A spot will b opening up at one of our satellite spots that is a little closer to home and the shift time would be better for me (I would get off ~1 hour earlier, location about 10 miles closer) The big thing that is stopping me is my boss has been great. I have worked for him for almost 3 years. He hired me at 7 months pregnant, had no issues with 2 maternity leaves and didn’t give me any issues when I needed to take a few weeks off because my sister died. My current location is slammed with work and I am one of the few folks he has that deals with any problems (most of my colleagues either ignore the problems/skip them or are too new to know how to fix them). The colleague that used to pick up the slack left our site earlier this year for the satellite site and now it is just me doing the heavy lifting. My DH wants me to request the move so I can be home earlier but I feel bad about leaving, especially since the other person who did the work left already and our boss would essentially have no one who cares and is competent enough to get things done. Our site does have earlier shifts but we are union and heavily into the “seniority” thing, I am low woman for seniority so can’t see getting the shift time I want anytime soon. My boss has moved me what he can, which is 1.5 hours earlier than what I was originally hired for. The satellite site has everyone on the same schedule so I would be guaranteed that earlier time What would you do? Try for the new job. Boss needs to address the performance an training issues. Seems like you've held it together long enough and or enough for him to not manage these issues.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 14, 2019 14:48:57 GMT -5
MGA: I agree you should try for the new job - what did you do?
I just was checking back. DD is using her Non-Rev Benes to travel this week. She is on the East Coast to attend a wedding with her friend's family. She grew up with the girl, but it is an entirely different religion/culture. She called me earlier she said she had forgotten her curling iron so she was at Target shopping. She was buying a wand, she said she forgot, her friend forgot and her friends aunt also forgot, so she was going to buy one and share it. She was checking out the food options as she said she was not sure if she would like the food that was being served by the Wedding.
Anyways, She was very excited. her position was Seasonal, and was limited by the number of hours she could work. Her manager just called her to offer her a permanent position. DD accepted, but told him she needed her scheduled hours to work with her class schedule. He said everyone that works with her likes her and they want to keep her at the airport she works out of. She is low person on the totem pole, I think they opened up enough positions so that people ahead of her on the seniority list could be offered positions and they could still hire her. My DD actually enjoys the chaos of entire flights being cancelled. She likes the challenge/puzzle of trying to reschedule passengers. Monday night she called me and said there was a flight that was delayed due to mechanical reasons and she was done working but hanging around to make sure it actually was cleared to take off before she left. Which is why they value having her on staff. She was actually 45 minutes late one day last week b/c the freeway was shut down for an accident. Her manager told her to send him an explanation. She e-mailed him that with a copy of the newspaper article about it, and DD said they cleared the tardy from her record entirely. She was not aware that anything special was done for her, and she mentioned it to a co-worker, and others indicated that they had not had similar experiences. Oops.
Conversely, they also had warned her that once she went to permanent staff she would not be able to go back to seasonal. People want to be seasonal so they can retain the year round flight benefits. I told her I was not sure if that would really be the case if she decides to move on for other employment - if they want to keep her they will probably still make an exception for her.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Aug 14, 2019 23:01:31 GMT -5
bean29 it sounds like your daughter is doing amazing and I’m glad to hear they value her. I decided to see about the new job. I did get bad news about the position though. Apparently it is for oncall (no benefits, no guaranteed hours). My current position is full time and I won’t give that up so I am staying for now. The good thing is that the supervisor at the other site really likes me and was excited to hear I wanted to come over. She is going to try to work some magic to get me over there. We joke that she must have some incriminating pics of someone important because she usually gets what she wants. So for now, I bide most time and try not to kill someone ( my colleagues, not my patients). It is getting harder everyday though. I am constantly cleaning up everyone’s messes even though I’m not the boss. Most of the issues come up because I work with people who are too lazy to read or do things right. So it ends up a mess and I have to fix it because our patients deserve better ( I work in healthcare)
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 15, 2019 16:35:01 GMT -5
I got called into bosses office today. Workload is going up--am I interested in going full-time? Well, yeah. Super interested in benefits. So yay--sort of. Work is still boring AF. Getting back to her on a timeline for starting. I wish I could get some freakin schedules already for 1. school, and 2. soccer.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 16, 2019 7:57:52 GMT -5
Lizard Queen - my job is boring AF too. I stay because I have a decent amount of flexibility in my schedule, and the pay and bennies are excellent. I can take a lot of boredom for that.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 16, 2019 9:07:49 GMT -5
Lizard Queen - my job is boring AF too. I stay because I have a decent amount of flexibility in my schedule, and the pay and bennies are excellent. I can take a lot of boredom for that. If I stay there for more than a year, it will only be for the tuition reimbursement to get a master's. I can't get over how I went back to school, did so well, and I still get pushed into this kind of work. It would be one thing if it were close to home, but the drive is hard for me to deal with.
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Post by geenamercile on Aug 16, 2019 18:43:48 GMT -5
Work has exploded this year going back and I am red lining in what I can accomplish, some of this is from.... New Sped teachers in the building (I get why SPED has a high turn over but still) so I am a mentor again. I was one last year too and was planning on not being one this year, but a new SPED teacher on a provisional licences has to have a SPED teacher who has a full license for at least 5 years, and as I said high turn over... not to many of us. Okay there is 6 of us in the building, 2 of them are new, 1 who I mentored last year who is my partner on my grade level so still helping her too, 1 who has been there for awhile but isn't the strongest so was crossed off. So that leaves the last one and me to be mentors. New Co-teacher who is also new to the district. Luckily he is an experienced teacher who taught math at the high school level, but still need to help him with all of the district stuff, not sure who his mentor is (since he is new he has one) but I am in the room with him 2 out of 3 blocks and it isn't like I am going to say no not going to help you with that ask your mentor after school. Oh and I am learning the new curriculum for math myself, since I have been in English before this year, and I have my own self contain class in math I need to plan for and all of that. Last year is when the standards were updated for the state. Sped department made some changes, and is really pushing for better data collection. Which was a strength of mine so I have request from the other sped teachers to help them with the data sheets I use and setting up the sheets online. Still have my home bound student after school.
I am glad that I have respect of my work peers. I am glad that my admin have so my faith in me. Yes I understand the reasons why I am being asked to do each thing and I don't mind doing any of them, but all together I am hitting the redline of what I can do. And there is a light at the end of the tunnel, once I get the online data systems in place, and set up a schedule for the one I am mentoring, and once my co-teacher gets caught up on the districts systems, I will be back in the high rpm but still in the black range of my gauge.
Getting ODD into a good routine with home schooling, and missing tow days for dental appointments for a stupid wisdom tooth hasn't helped the redlining either.
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Post by cyanne on Aug 17, 2019 9:26:39 GMT -5
As a fellow special education teacher I feel your pain. Just remember that when you hit your limit that "no" is a complete sentence.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 19, 2019 13:17:28 GMT -5
Rukh, Inc. lives!!!! Looks like I will be taking that small contract on that I mentioned previously. It all looked good to me but I had this whispering that I might be risking everything for a few extra dollars. So, I went and told boss about it and got official ruling as no conflict of interest with job. Very excited to do this!! Still be a playa in the ole playground
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Post by shanendoah on Aug 19, 2019 13:18:29 GMT -5
Rukh O'Rorke - I know it sounds silly, but I am super proud of you for taking this step.
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Post by oped on Aug 19, 2019 16:53:14 GMT -5
I don't think I'm going to make it back in a traditional classroom. I'm doing a 9 week homeschool as private tutor gig at the moment for 3 kids and i can't even. Granted, its lots of different preps but I am exhausted and only have them 16 hours a week... but i am so overstimulated when they leave after 4 hours (the youngest just never stops moving or talking/singing unless I give him audiobook on the bounceball time or something similar)... that i can't imagine surviving all day in a regular room.
After this gig I am actually committing to my own design and writing stuff the rest of the year... except for my orton gillingham student that i'll continue with for the year and my cousin's kid in math as needed, i am NOT taking on anything else for the rest of the year. I'm going to give my own stuff a shot at working and if it doesn't THEN i will find somewhere to apply my talents in a non traditional space.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 21, 2019 18:36:58 GMT -5
Rukh O'Rorke - I know it sounds silly, but I am super proud of you for taking this step. Thanks!! Now that it's all settled, I really wonder why I'm giving up more of my time on this.. I get so excited about things! But then it fades!!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 25, 2019 12:50:22 GMT -5
ok - I've sent out my LOA/proposal for the work. It's a super tiny project, but I really want to work with this group, so I was struggling on pricing that is 'fair' (discount on market rates for consulting firms vs solo/side gig of me) vs a financially worthwhile use of my time.
In the end, I priced it at 250/hr (my sense of market rate) because it is so small and when I thought about the unbilled time I've put in already in developing the project/relationship and the scope of work, it was the lowest I was willing to go. I just didn't feel the need to discount it, and I think that they would have a relatively difficult time getting someone to take on the small scope of it.
So - I am pretty confident that this represents the best value for them and me, and see if they take it.
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Post by geenamercile on Aug 27, 2019 17:36:58 GMT -5
I used the word "no" today. My admin is cool with it and understand that I am at the max of what I can do. The person who is getting told, no I am not taking on that responsibility may not be happy, but you took that position. I know that she is new to it and may be overwhelmed too, but I am not taking anymore on before I get more of what I need to get done done. She is also one of those people that once she hands something off on what is suppose to be a temporary base, won't take it back. The other's I am helping it is more of a I will help you with this until you clear your plate some and then they take it back. Or it is setting up the ground work for something and then they run with it. I really think this person switched to this position because they never paid attention to all the behind the scenes parts of it, so they thought it would be easier and now they want to hand off some of these behind the scenes parts. No I am not the coordinator for this program or even the second in command for it. Just because I know how to do it, doesn't mean I need to do it. I don't mind helping you know what to do, but you need to do it. Okay that turned into a vent, but vent is over.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 14, 2019 12:10:42 GMT -5
Welp - I've gotten myself in trouble here, friends.
My Rukh, Inc. job is due this weekend - everything is relatively straightforward except for one piece of data parsing that is going to be pretty complex. Lesson learned!!! Check everything in depth before quote!!
I did not account for it in my plan - time wise or my pricing - and my mom has been in the hospital this entire week, and will be in next week, then discharged and needing out-patient therapy several times a week. I've been visiting daily. About 2 hour commuting on the way there and home, not counting whatever visit time I spend. Meanwhile - work (dayjob) is going to be exploding over the next few weeks as well, with a high-profile presentation at a professional conference and 2 client presentation that I've not yet begun to prepare - at least one requires extensive analysis and interpretation and a written report. It was going to be a tough 3 weeks, but now I've burned most of this week just skating by and spending time at the hospital/commuting on many buses and trains.
And my brother is going to leave on a planned 10-day vacation so I am on my own with parent duties. I myself will have to lean on DD and DS to help out with grandma, and I'm thankful for that assistance - and they are happy to help out - but I'm so overwhelmed right now. Not a good spot for starting up my exciting new side business! Not too exciting right now, just a pain in the butt and extra stress that is never going to be worth 1k.
While this project is going to take much more time than I quoted it out at. My major issue is tools. I'm professionally transitioning into python and R and away from the pricy SPSS and SAS usage (at which I am good!) but I don't have those on my machine right now. They are costly while Python and R are free.
While I wouldn't care about buying them for this pinch here - the development time is going to a bit extensive and essentially unpaid - and this is a repeat job I'll do for them again next year so I don't want to waste the effort developing the code and then next year do it in a different tool.
I would be fine if it took me 20 hours to do it this weekend (instead of the few hours I quoted!) as long as I can get it done, get it delivered, and be 100% accurate. I need to reformat and analyze 100's of thousands of pieces of data and be 100% accurate.
Anyway - not really looking for advice, just venting here! I feel like I pushed too far and the universe is smiting me. I am feeling very sorry for myself!
Going to see how far I can get with Python today, and then tomorrow I will have to chuck it in and somehow get to SPSS to do it.
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Post by finnime on Sept 14, 2019 12:53:01 GMT -5
Do the SPSS route now, Rukh O'Rorke. YOu don't have the time to do anything else. Production is all that matters right now.
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Post by bean29 on Sept 14, 2019 15:18:44 GMT -5
Getting a mani/pedi. Once I am done here, I am heading to the laundromat. My dryer broke labor day weekend and the repair company claims the part is backordered. I told DD they probably forgot to order it, even though I called on Wed.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 14, 2019 17:06:34 GMT -5
Do the SPSS route now, Rukh O'Rorke . YOu don't have the time to do anything else. Production is all that matters right now. ugh! you are so right!! I tried to go through this python course, and it is good, and I can almost do it, but just not quite....time to tough, turning to spss....
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Post by ners on Sept 15, 2019 7:44:13 GMT -5
Rukh O'Rorke I have faith you will power thru. Sorry your mother is ill. Let your children help you.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 15, 2019 11:37:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the virtual support friends!! I got the spss, and did the complex parsing - which wasn't all that complex once I had it in a tool that was fit for the job (not excel!!) and that I knew how to use (not python!!). I took my laptop to visiting mom and did extensive verification on the accuracy of the parsing. So pretty confident in that step of the process. Now - am where I had expected to start the project. I'm proceeding with the project, and it should be a reasonable days work and done. I am skipping visiting today as I know there are 2 other visits occurring for mom today. If I can squeeze in a load of laundry or two, and a small grocery trip, I should be able to make it to the next step of the gauntlet. aka - Monday morning
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Post by raeoflyte on Sept 15, 2019 16:10:23 GMT -5
Hugs Rukh! You can do it!
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Post by taz157 on Sept 15, 2019 17:08:22 GMT -5
Since I moved back in state I was born in, I started doing side work with a company that I used to work for. The former boss emailed me over the weekend stating that he wanted to talk to me. I figured it dealt with a client I had been working on. I called him on a Thursday to discuss the client as I had a phone call with them earlier in the day. As part of the convo, he asked what it would take for me to work full time for him again (but remotely). Basically, I told him that I didn’t know and I needed to think about it. I spoke with my DH and my mom about it that night. I’ve been thinking about it off-and-on and haven’t fully decided yet. I know which way I’m leaning but no fully decided yet. I would like to speak with my current boss about potential department changes with her situation, but I won’t say anything about former boss’s offer. Decisions, decisions, decisions...
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Post by raeoflyte on Sept 16, 2019 9:17:18 GMT -5
Since I moved back in state I was born in, I started doing side work with a company that I used to work for. The former boss emailed me over the weekend stating that he wanted to talk to me. I figured it dealt with a client I had been working on. I called him on a Thursday to discuss the client as I had a phone call with them earlier in the day. As part of the convo, he asked what it would take for me to work full time for him again (but remotely). Basically, I told him that I didn’t know and I needed to think about it. I spoke with my DH and my mom about it that night. I’ve been thinking about it off-and-on and haven’t fully decided yet. I know which way I’m leaning but no fully decided yet. I would like to speak with my current boss about potential department changes with her situation, but I won’t say anything about former boss’s offer. Decisions, decisions, decisions... I love working from home. I have dedicated space for it, and sometimes we slip but usually the fam is good about respecting the office door. No commute is so nice though.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 16, 2019 11:06:41 GMT -5
I'm done with the side project!!!
((Aside from the time spent on Python which was good learning, not wasted, and I'm not including here))
I spent about 4 hours for the unexpected parsing, 2 doing and 2 double checking, on target for the expected part, but then I spent about 3 additional hours extensively double and triple checking everything.
If I could go back, I'd quote this out for 50-100% more than I did. Gut says 100%!!!
I'll be getting about $125/hr before taxes, so I'm pretty ok with that aspect. But will do better going forward.
I will definitely be more judicious for future quotes!! I'll be doing a loa for a much more extensive project this weekend. I'm already pretty much committed to that, just need to finalize and agree to terms.
That will be a straight month of weekend work for successive stages of the project. After this weekend, I need to reconsider how that works out for me personally......especially with the potential for life to throw a spanner into the works.
You all know how much the dream of Rukh, Inc. means to me. Now wondering if the sacrifices are too much? I feel like I'm very unbalanced as it is. I work about 10 weekends for day job/year. Signed up for 5-6 working weekends for RI next year.
Not a lot of down time....
Welp, lots to cogitate on!!!
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 18, 2019 15:37:37 GMT -5
Ok. Question for you. My kid left a highly toxic workplace and ended up in one that was even worse. So now she's applying for new jobs. She was only at the second one for 3 weeks before she had to get out. I told her I wouldn't tell anyone about the second job. How does she explain leaving the first one with no job in place?
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Post by shanendoah on Sept 18, 2019 18:15:35 GMT -5
Ok. Question for you. My kid left a highly toxic workplace and ended up in one that was even worse. So now she's applying for new jobs. She was only at the second one for 3 weeks before she had to get out. I told her I wouldn't tell anyone about the second job. How does she explain leaving the first one with no job in place? There is no reason why she should have to explain that part of her reason to leave. She might very well get asked "Why did you leave your last place of employment?" And she can answer that the work environment had changed to a point where it was no longer one that was conducive to her being able to do her job. Or she can say that she was no longer challenged/learning, or that she realized there was no room for advancement for her there. Whatever reason she wants to give.
She should also be prepared to answer a question of what she has been doing with her time since she left the job, but it is perfectly fine to say "I was taking a break/vacation" or to say she has been looking for other jobs in that time, but she's being picky about finding the right one.
But beyond asking why she left the job and maybe what she has been doing in the interim, no one should be asking "why did you leave the job without having another one lined up?" because that is none of the interviewer's business, and the answer can run from "because I am a trust fund baby" to "I quit because I was planning on being a stay at home Mom, but my baby died". Or from "I left to avoid a sexual harassment suit against me" to "I am in the middle of suing my old company for discriminatory practices". The chance of an answer to that question then opening up the interviewer to a possible discrimination case is just too great.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 18, 2019 18:24:52 GMT -5
I told her something like this. I came up with that she had been cross trained in a bunch of different roles, but there was no room for advancement since it was a tiny practice so she's chosen to look for a better job that will allow her to better grow her career. How does that sound?
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Post by adela76 on Sept 18, 2019 23:08:40 GMT -5
I told her something like this. I came up with that she had been cross trained in a bunch of different roles, but there was no room for advancement since it was a tiny practice so she's chosen to look for a better job that will allow her to better grow her career. How does that sound? How long was she in the first job before she left? This situation reminded me of this satire video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0o9clVQu8) about millennials in the workplace. (I am a millennial and I find this video hilarious and exaggerated, but with elements of truth.) While your answer sounds like a positive spin, consider how it could be seen through the millennial lens ("I was at the job for X months and it wasn't what I thought it would be and I didn't get a promotion, so I quit.") I'd recommend a slight variation - she was cross-trained in several different roles (such as X, Y and Z) and discovered a passion for Y. Due to the size of her previous company, the opportunities for Y were limited, so she's seeking a new position with a greater emphasis on Y, such as the one she's currently interviewing for. I'm wary of terms like "room for advancement" and "career growth opportunities" in a job interview. It's like telling the interviewer that you are only interested in this job as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. I think it's better to emphasize the skills you bring to the position, or possibly the skills you want to develop (though I think that should be secondary). The focus should be how hiring you will benefit the employer, not how you will benefit from being hired. If the interviewer asks about long-term goals, that's one thing, but I definitely wouldn't use "room for advancement" as a reason for leaving a job without another job lined up. Stick with something more generic like "it wasn't the right fit" and be prepared with 1 or 2 reasons why it wasn't a good fit that are interview-friendly. For example, I left a job after a year in my 20s, and my reasons were that the California-based company was closing the local Chicago office and I didn't want to work remotely, and that after working essentially as a consultant to other companies, I realized I preferred to work primarily with internal stakeholders. I knew both of those things were true about the new position (they had a local office and it was an internal role). I did not say things like my boss was too hands-off, or my co-workers were toxic, or the clients had unreasonable expectations, because, even if true, those things sound like bad-mouthing your previous company and I had no idea if they were true of the new job as well, because those are fairly common workplace problems.
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