The Job Hunt Thread

[MJ2.0]

I'm kinda suprised that BT behaves this way. They have to know that other institutions (and donors) will find out about how they treat their employees.

[andi9899]

Oct 24, 2015 13:47:33 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Yeah they picked the wrong tech to mess with.

Which is why it got ugly. As soon as they realized I had the upper hand they turned to threats. Which is horribly unethical and unprofessional.

I've dealt with bat shit crazy in the workplace before.   This ranks up there as #2 on the list.

I'd hate to see what #1 looks like.

[Cookies Galore]

Oct 25, 2015 6:12:33 GMT -5 debthaven said:

Drama I'm glad you're out of there!

But I'm wondering ... might your new employer think it's a "red flag" if you're suddenly free on Monday to do the paperwork?

I agree. Don't just show up on Monday. Do all the paperwork and the other "pesky" details on your official start date. That's what a first day of work is for.

[moneymaven]

When I left a bat shit crazy boss, I gave two weeks notice and she asked me to leave within 15 minutes of me giving notice. I enjoyed my two weeks of paid vacation and didn't mention a word to the new company. No matter the reasons, it can be perceived a lot of ways. I wouldn't just show up on Monday. Wait until your start date to do the paperwork, gain access, etc. congrats drama, you deserve so much better than what you've had the last 4 months!

[taz157]

Oct 25, 2015 9:26:30 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Oct 25, 2015 6:12:33 GMT -5 debthaven said:

Drama I'm glad you're out of there!

But I'm wondering ... might your new employer think it's a "red flag" if you're suddenly free on Monday to do the paperwork?

I agree. Don't just show up on Monday. Do all the paperwork and the other "pesky" details on your official start date. That's what a first day of work is for.

[NastyWoman]

Oct 25, 2015 9:25:00 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Oct 24, 2015 13:47:33 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Yeah they picked the wrong tech to mess with.

Which is why it got ugly. As soon as they realized I had the upper hand they turned to threats. Which is horribly unethical and unprofessional.

I've dealt with bat shit crazy in the workplace before.   This ranks up there as #2 on the list.

I'd hate to see what #1 looks like.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Oct 25, 2015 9:25:00 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Oct 24, 2015 13:47:33 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Yeah they picked the wrong tech to mess with.

Which is why it got ugly. As soon as they realized I had the upper hand they turned to threats. Which is horribly unethical and unprofessional.

I've dealt with bat shit crazy in the workplace before.   This ranks up there as #2 on the list.

I'd hate to see what #1 looks like.

As I remember, it was very ugly.  I guess that the advantage of that is that Drama acquired the skills and the knowledge of how to protect oneself when a job situation turns to shit..... and recognizing that it has turned to shit (which is a large part of it).

She has done a great job in a lousy environment.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I should defend Boys Town itself. They have a lot of lifers there and it appears that the hospital and the boys home are excellent places to work.

Same with the research department that was a floor below me. They are an entirely different planet but don't have opening very often.

My department is awful and the people I worked for are awful. A LOT of information came out once it was known I was leaving and people did not have to fear I'd blab.

I doubt HR is going to be shocked that I resigned and did it thru email.   From what I was told a lot of techs didn't even do that, they just disappeared in the middle of the night and let BT fire them.

I should thank them, if they hadn't been crazy assholes I wouldn't have been desperate to get out and applying to everything under the sun, which means I would have missed out on my new position.   So in that light they did me a favor.

I should also thank them for lighting a fire under my butt.  With everything going on this year somewhere along the way I lost my spine.  They pushed me to reinforce it.

DH is also grateful to have his wife back.  He said the change in my personality has been dramatic. 

I wasn't planning on just showing up at UNMC. Boys Town is only a couple of blocks away from UNMC.  I was going to call in the morning ask if I could come down during my "lunch hour" to get things set up.

No need to say that the entire day will be my lunch hour.

Besides which they think I may need to re-do my physical since the one on record is from 2009.   I'd have to take a day off to do that anyhow since I am supposed to have that on file before I start.

I need to drop off my TB and flu shot records too since those also need to be on file before I can work with the animals/in the hospital area.

[stina72]

Yeah, I'm going to have to jump in here before anyone gets the wrong idea about BT and BT Hospital. I've worked here for over 5 years now, although (kind of) in a different department than Drama. BT and BT Hospital are amazing organizations that do a lot of good for a lot of people in various areas. Our research department has even done amazing things, despite what it looks like here. Small example, this www.livewellnebraska.com/health/boys-town-hospital-receives-m-grant-to-conduct-transformational-hearing/article_8b27e192-d8f7-5d86-92bb-6f784f614fdf.html

I'm not really going to comment on Drama's PIs, because my job does directly deal with them on a semi regular basis because of a duty of my boss. I will say that what most of what has been said by her would not shock (and is probably known) to their supervisors.

So while you've gotten a taste of two people who work for the organization, they are definitely not the norm here, even in research. I think in order to work for a non-profit you have to be committed to the goals and mission of the organization, and if you don't feel that way, you tend to leave pretty fast. So most of the people that work here do so because they want to and they really want to further BT and BT Hospital's mission. I think everyone here knows there isn't as much money in non-profit work as there is in private sector work, so again, we work here because we want to and believe in the work that is being done here. I would say the majority of people that I work with here have no desire to leave, they want to be lifers (me included), which obviously would not be the case if BT or the hospital were treating all of their employees poorly.  

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Stupid home computer and it's issues. Hate using the library computer. . .

Anyhoo I completely agree with Stina. I think that what Boys Town does is fantastic both the hospital and the children's home. They do A LOT for children and take on some of the saddest/worst cases I've ever read about.   There aren't a lot of organizations out there that do that.

If I had landed in their clinical research department this story would have a different ending. At first I was excited to work for Boys Town, I know my former boss at Creighton holds them in high regard and did a lot of collaboration with them involving cochlear implants.

That is a part of what frustrates me so much about this and research in general. People like my former bosses continue to get funding and abuse their technicians. The research world is not that large (especially around here) so word travels.

They give research a bad name. It irritates me how funding and academic politics work b/c it keeps them in the game while GOOD researchers get the shaft.

[Chocolate Lover]

FWIW, I wasn't associating your experience with the overall employer, just the bosses in charge.

[taz157]

Oct 26, 2015 11:29:43 GMT -5 Chocolate Lover said:

FWIW, I wasn't associating your experience with the overall employer, just the bosses in charge.

Yeah that.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I do wonder how much they are really bringing to the table since BT doesn't seem interested in dealing with them.   I don't know if the researchers there are professors or not. I know the one bat shit crazy guy I dealt with at Creighton was tenured so that's why he was virtually untouchable.

You'd think if this crap has gone on for as long as I've been told by others that BT would have stepped in by now.  There appear to be enough techs with bad experience with them that we could do some damage if we talk to enough people.

Or they just aren't interested in that department anymore.  I was told that the majority of them went bankrupt not to long ago and the hospital had to pay to keep them afloat.   They are on super thin ice b/c the hospital naturally expects to be paid back.

So maybe Karma will catch up with them eventually.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Oct 26, 2015 9:55:32 GMT -5 stina72 said:

Yeah, I'm going to have to jump in here before anyone gets the wrong idea about BT and BT Hospital. I've worked here for over 5 years now, although (kind of) in a different department than Drama. BT and BT Hospital are amazing organizations that do a lot of good for a lot of people in various areas. Our research department has even done amazing things, despite what it looks like here. Small example, this www.livewellnebraska.com/health/boys-town-hospital-receives-m-grant-to-conduct-transformational-hearing/article_8b27e192-d8f7-5d86-92bb-6f784f614fdf.html

I'm not really going to comment on Drama's PIs, because my job does directly deal with them on a semi regular basis because of a duty of my boss. I will say that what most of what has been said by her would not shock (and is probably known) to their supervisors.

So while you've gotten a taste of two people who work for the organization, they are definitely not the norm here, even in research. I think in order to work for a non-profit you have to be committed to the goals and mission of the organization, and if you don't feel that way, you tend to leave pretty fast. So most of the people that work here do so because they want to and they really want to further BT and BT Hospital's mission. I think everyone here knows there isn't as much money in non-profit work as there is in private sector work, so again, we work here because we want to and believe in the work that is being done here. I would say the majority of people that I work with here have no desire to leave, they want to be lifers (me included), which obviously would not be the case if BT or the hospital were treating all of their employees poorly.  

I don't think anyone here is under the impression that BT is the problem, Stina.

I've worked at 5 different (3 with the same PI) non-profit research institutions in my 30+ year career, and there were lifers at every single institution.  Most of us realize that this is more a function of the PI and not the institution itself.

In fact, I was in a job that was along the same lines as that Drama found herself in, but the job also involved a highly unethical component to it too.  This was my second job outside of college, and I realized that it was not the institution that caused the problem, but the PIs.  Had it been the institution, I would have bailed on research altogether back in 1982.  Fortunately, after that disaster I stumbled onto a great PI.

I worked for him from 1982, until I left in 2012 (due to illness/disability).  Not a single person left our lab (in 3 different locations) due to looking for greener pastures, or because there was an issue with the PI.  Those of us who left left ONLY due to life circumstances, and likely would still be working there had life not gotten in the way.  On our last move, I moved the lab in 2000.  Between 2001-2005, another 6 people were hired into the lab.  I'm the only person who's left, the rest continue on.

[andi9899]

I filled out an application at a large health insurance company to be a manager in the field. Fingers crossed!

ETA: I made sure it was in KCMO this time.

[moneymaven]

Oct 27, 2015 8:43:58 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I filled out an application at a large health insurance company to be a manager in the field. Fingers crossed!

ETA: I made sure it was in KCMO this time.

Andi, do you do L&H currently? For some reason I only thought you did P&C. Good luck!

[andi9899]

Oct 27, 2015 9:03:41 GMT -5 moneymaven said:

Oct 27, 2015 8:43:58 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I filled out an application at a large health insurance company to be a manager in the field. Fingers crossed!

ETA: I made sure it was in KCMO this time.

Andi, do you do L&H currently? For some reason I only thought you did P&C. Good luck!

I only do P&C right now. I have years of experience in L&H. I in fact specialized in it for years. The company I'm at now is very in the box and I am way more specialized than they are. I think this position I'm in is good for a first time agent, not someone with a background like mine.

[andi9899]

So I just got a call about a resume I don't remember submitting. The person I talked to said that I was over qualified and would be bored with the position I applied for and not make the money I want. She asked if it was ok to send my resume to upper management and see what they are going to have coming up for 2016. Yay.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Oct 26, 2015 11:43:21 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I do wonder how much they are really bringing to the table since BT doesn't seem interested in dealing with them.   I don't know if the researchers there are professors or not. I know the one bat shit crazy guy I dealt with at Creighton was tenured so that's why he was virtually untouchable.

You'd think if this crap has gone on for as long as I've been told by others that BT would have stepped in by now.  There appear to be enough techs with bad experience with them that we could do some damage if we talk to enough people.

Or they just aren't interested in that department anymore.  I was told that the majority of them went bankrupt not to long ago and the hospital had to pay to keep them afloat.   They are on super thin ice b/c the hospital naturally expects to be paid back.

So maybe Karma will catch up with them eventually.

It is all about the $$ in indirect costs that institutions get, Drama.  If you consider that many are about 40% of the grant, that is a hefty chunk of change that BT would lose.  So as long as they have grant funding, they have a home.

Think of it this way....the lab would otherwise set empty if they weren't there, bringing in 0 $$.  With these idiots there, could be $500,000 added to BT's bottom line PLUS LAR fees that help support the facility.  BT doesn't care.

[MJ2.0]

[andi9899]

That's hilarious!

[andi9899]

This guy at work said he was going to this girl's house tonight to watch the game. I said "did the words 'Netflix and chill' come out of her mouth?" He didn't get it.

[MJ2.0]

I think that's a guy thing to say.

[Lizard Queen]

Great, just great.  DS1 has been whining lately about missing his sitter.  School is out early on Mondays, so I take him to his sitter for a few hours every Monday.  Head hunter agency contacted me about a job that's about 40 minute commute, 20-30 hours per week.  How can I squeeze in 20 hours in the afternoons 4 days a week with that commute?  Ugh!  I'm going to have to talk to DH and DS about this later.

[andi9899]

I just got another call for a phone interview. Woot!

[TheHaitian]

Oct 27, 2015 13:29:22 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

Great, just great.  DS1 has been whining lately about missing his sitter.  School is out early on Mondays, so I take him to his sitter for a few hours every Monday.  Head hunter agency contacted me about a job that's about 40 minute commute, 20-30 hours per week.  How can I squeeze in 20 hours in the afternoons 4 days a week with that commute?  Ugh!  I'm going to have to talk to DH and DS about this later.

You are looking for a second job?

[TheHaitian]

Oct 27, 2015 15:32:51 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I just got another call for a phone interview. Woot!

You are on FIRE!!!

[TheHaitian]

Yesterday marked 1 week since my last in person interview and I still haven't heard back from anyone...

[Wisconsin Beth]

Hmmm, I'm thinking that myself, I'd probably give them until sometime on Friday before reaching out.  As you said last page, VP is presumably a busy person and harder to schedule. 

[TheHaitian]

Oct 28, 2015 8:48:01 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Hmmm, I'm thinking that myself, I'd probably give them until sometime on Friday before reaching out.  As you said last page, VP is presumably a busy person and harder to schedule. 

That is why I am not dismissing it yet, thinking he is a harder person to schedule an interview with. If by next Monday I do not hear anything, I will probably call HR or reach out!