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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 15, 2011 17:21:27 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 15, 2011 17:28:32 GMT -5
What Was The Politifact “biggest lie” of 2010?
It was Obama's promise to reduce the high unemployment numbers from @9.5 % to @ 5.0% because of the $ Billions of stimulus money being poured into our economy..
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 15, 2011 17:37:03 GMT -5
The biggest lie of 2010 was the Republicans saying they were running on the deficit.
It was a lie because the first thing they did in office was make it worse by extending the tax cuts for the uber rich. The second, third and fourth things they did was try to make abortion more difficult.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 15, 2011 17:41:10 GMT -5
It was a lie because the first thing they did in office was make it worse by extending the tax cuts for the uber rich. The second, third and fourth things they did was try to make abortion more difficult.
There is no basis for this statement. A year or two following the 2003 tax cuts, the fed govt took in record revenue.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 15, 2011 17:41:23 GMT -5
The biggest lie of 2010 was the Republicans saying they were running on the deficit. It was a lie because the first thing they did in office was make it worse by extending the tax cuts for the uber rich. The second, third and fourth things they did was try to make abortion more difficult. Tne Bush Tax cuts were approved by both parties in congress as well as the President of the United States...and both parties voted for not having the federal budgets paying for abortions.. So bi partnership was alive and well on these two items
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 17:52:26 GMT -5
"Basically, everything Fox/Rush/bought off Pubs say"...duh. Hi dupes
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 15, 2011 18:00:13 GMT -5
"Basically, everything Fox/Rush/bought off Pubs say"...duh. Hi dupes The second biggest lie of 2010....
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 15, 2011 18:02:26 GMT -5
FACT: there were no tax cuts. Congress and the President opted to leave tax rates at their current levels for two more years.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 15, 2011 18:02:33 GMT -5
AFTER the Reps filibustered every bill until their precious cuts were approved. The same Reps who have since decided that we have a deficit problem.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 18:07:00 GMT -5
AFTER the Reps filibustered every bill until their precious cuts were approved. The same Reps who have since decided that we have a deficit problem. Again - not a tax cut - just maintaining the tax rate that had been in effect for the last ten years - to do otherwise would amount to a tax increase - which Obama campaigned would not happen on his watch
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 15, 2011 18:10:27 GMT -5
AFTER the Reps filibustered every bill until their precious cuts were approved. The same Reps who have since decided that we have a deficit problem. Again - not a tax cut - just maintaining the tax rate that had been in effect for the last ten years - to do otherwise would amount to a tax increase - which Obama campaigned would not happen on his watch I'm sorry, an extension of the Bush tax cuts, so not really a tax cut. Just an extension of the Bush tax cut. Part of the reason we went from a surplus to a deficit under Bush.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 18:14:36 GMT -5
Again - not a tax cut - just maintaining the tax rate that had been in effect for the last ten years - to do otherwise would amount to a tax increase - which Obama campaigned would not happen on his watch I'm sorry, an extension of the Bush tax cuts, so not really a tax cut. Just an extension of the Bush tax cut. Part of the reason we went from a surplus to a deficit under Bush. Right an extension of the tax rates of the last ten years - You do know that the "surplus" was only an accounting trick of the budget for the next year - and had absolutely nothing to do with the Federal deficit - it was still there no matter what the budget was
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 19:36:41 GMT -5
So, name me a pub fact that's NOT a lie or ridiculous spin. IE, a "tax cut is NOT a tax cut, and doesn't cost the gov't money"....Pfffft!! Thanks for ruining the economy, and our name in the world, dupes.
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Post by handyman2 on Mar 15, 2011 19:41:13 GMT -5
How about Obamas pledge to close Guantanamo? there is a whole list of things he said that he backtracked on. hard to chose just one.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 19:42:13 GMT -5
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 15, 2011 19:43:46 GMT -5
How about Obamas pledge to close Guantanamo? there is a whole list of things he said that he backtracked on. hard to chose just one.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Mar 15, 2011 19:44:58 GMT -5
So, name me a pub fact that's NOT a lie or ridiculous spin. IE, a "tax cut is NOT a tax cut, and doesn't cost the gov't money"....Pfffft!! Thanks for ruining the economy, and our name in the world, dupes. Higher taxes are good for the economy? Maybe we should tax at 100% and have the government provide our every single need, what a Utopia!
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Post by formerexpat on Mar 15, 2011 19:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 15, 2011 22:56:50 GMT -5
We went from surplus to deficit under Bush because he SPENT too much, not because he taxed too little. This is an INDISPUTABLE FACT. Under President Bush tax receipts GREW under President Bush. GDP GREW under Bush. The problem is that under Bush, spending GREW FASTER than the economy and tax receipts. There are a variety of excuses offered for this-- none of them acceptable, so I'm not even going to mention them-- but the bottom line is we don't have a "tax too little" problem. We have a SPEND TOO MUCH problem.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 15, 2011 23:05:43 GMT -5
Obviously we have BOTH.
When one group doubles their wealth while the rest LOSE, the former should pay more duh.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 16, 2011 8:54:54 GMT -5
Obviously we have BOTH. When one group doubles their wealth while the rest LOSE, the former should pay more duh. I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Revenue didn't decrease when taxes were cut. Revenue grew, and spending growth outpaced the increase in revenue. Further, the federal income tax only accounts for about 45% of all revenues to the treasury. It's no different than a family that gets a 5% raise, but increases their spending 10%, borrowing the difference. Spending must be kept in line with what government takes in through income taxes and other taxes just as you and I must live within our means.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 16, 2011 9:09:53 GMT -5
No matter how many times I debunk this Clinton surplus myth, some on the left still beat that drum and believe it. I guess some people have their party loyal blinders on and easily buy their party line propaganda. Thinking on your own can be difficult at times, you know.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 16, 2011 9:10:43 GMT -5
There's a moral component of taxation. Someone has to earn those tax dollars-- and it's a shrinking pool of someones. I'm of the opinion that there is a rate of taxation that is immoral and it that occurs somewhere between what GOD asks for- 10% and 25%. A quarter of what a person earns is a very big chunk of change. We're approaching a third of people's incomes now, and that's very difficult to justify.
It doesn't matter how much they earn. That's simply not a consideration in a free society. Liberty is dependent on a respect for private property rights.
The other moral issue we have is the HUGE number of people-- 47% of households who have NO ($0) federal income tax liability. It's fiscally irresponsible, as well as immoral that an American citizen should wake up every day to a system they do not pay to support.
Then there are the outright dependents-- 80% of that 47% actually TAKE more than they pay in. There's a net benefit for them- so in effect, they've managed to vote themselves money from their fellow citizens.
You know why there's no local government welfare? Because it would never fly in your neighborhood. Your nieghbors simply wouldn't put up with you voting yourself THEIR money.
Currently 35% of Americans get some kind of check from the federal government. There's no way that many people are in "need". This isn't a safety net, this is a hammock.
So, the budget problems seem complex- but it's actually very simple:
1. Permanent low level of taxation to offer predictability and a stable environment to plan and grow businesses.
2. Flat, fair taxation where everyone participates. You're a citizen, pony up.
3. Reduction in the number of people in the hammock, increase in self-reliance, and personal responsibility.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 16, 2011 9:13:31 GMT -5
The government has to balance the budget. We're at the place right now where there's still a short window of time to fix this problem voluntarily. But make no mistake, it WILL be done. And we're simply not going to raise taxes to bail out the irresponsible spending in Washington. NO taxpayer bailout of Washington.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 16, 2011 9:55:24 GMT -5
But make no mistake, it WILL be done. And we're simply not going to raise taxes to bail out the irresponsible spending in Washington. NO taxpayer bailout of Washington. Despite increased revenue to the fed in the past, irresponsible spending not only existed, it flourished and accelerated....far outpacing any tax revenue increases. That alone should give people a hint that we're not going to simply tax this deficit problem away. Like it or not, the pain of spending cuts will be required in order to decrease both our federal and state deficits.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 16, 2011 10:06:21 GMT -5
My take on it is that is true,but on one side you have a group that does not want to cut anything.On the other side is a group that wants to cut anything they see,whether a good move or not...I think the average American wants something in between both sides.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 16, 2011 10:11:17 GMT -5
Good idea or not, every government expense must be on the table whether it personally effects me (or you) or not.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 16, 2011 10:13:38 GMT -5
My take on it is that is true,but on one side you have a group that does not want to cut anything.On the other side is a group that wants to cut anything they see,whether a good move or not...I think the average American wants something in between both sides. I liken it to a couple who is having financial problems. The husband doesn't want to get an extra job to bring in more income and he doesn't want to give up his cable channels, but he thinks the wife should cave completely to his demands and cut back on necessities. The wife is willing to compromise to the point that she lacks the backbone to stand up to the bully.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 16, 2011 10:14:35 GMT -5
"Every" government expense? Including nuclear reactor safety?
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 16, 2011 10:16:44 GMT -5
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