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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 12:32:06 GMT -5
Ugh. Leroy's food is so expensive and the protein content is so low.
On the plus side, I don't think Leroy is taking theirs. I could be wrong, but he's pretty set in his way of eating in that back room for the past 16 years. I've caught the other two messing around back there, but never noticed Leroy paying any attention to their food. I think the kidney stuff tastes better. That's the bowl that's always completely empty every night.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 20, 2016 12:44:24 GMT -5
Ugh. Leroy's food is so expensive and the protein content is so low. Yeah, I know. But Leroy has the kidney problems and those trump the kittens. The only thing I can think of is to keep kitten food available for Scout and Tumbles and hope that Leroy stays out of it. You might try keeping it up high, where the kittens can jump to but Leroy can't. Does Leroy go up into the cat tree you have? The kittens are likely stil going to go after Leroy's more expensive food, but there really isn't anything you can do. We have to do this with Sheldon's food. He is a nibbler, and if the dog had access to his food, he'd starve to death! So the cat gets fed on the top of the spa, where the mutt can't get to.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 20, 2016 12:46:36 GMT -5
DS's cat is snoring. Shades of DH!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 13:19:39 GMT -5
Ugh. Leroy's food is so expensive and the protein content is so low. Yeah, I know. But Leroy has the kidney problems and those trump the kittens. The only thing I can think of is to keep kitten food available for Scout and Tumbles and hope that Leroy stays out of it. You might try keeping it up high, where the kittens can jump to but Leroy can't. Does Leroy go up into the cat tree you have? The kittens are likely stil going to go after Leroy's more expensive food, but there really isn't anything you can do. We have to do this with Sheldon's food. He is a nibbler, and if the dog had access to his food, he'd starve to death! So the cat gets fed on the top of the spa, where the mutt can't get to. I was just wondering if there is something that would be good for both. I've been reading up on this prescription kidney food and it's rather controversial that low protein is really the way to go. The kittens are on Science Diet adult food. They switch them at the HS once they turn 6 months old. I'm thinking of going to Taste of the Wild or some other grain free, but the protein content is nearly double what Leroy gets. Up high might work. Leroy is not up to that anymore. He'll do level one...maybe two on the cat tower. I'm also wondering how well those automatic cat doors where they wear something on their collar to activate it work? I've been meaning to put a door into the utility room so I don't need to leave the actual door open into the hallway all the time and if it was just a door that only Leroy could get though that would help.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 20, 2016 13:21:50 GMT -5
I love the name Leroy. It's the perfect name for an old curmudgeon. Reminds me of Jeff Dunham's Walter!!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 20, 2016 13:39:31 GMT -5
High protein is rough on the kidneys. The mutt is on a low protein diet because he is starting to have kidney issues. If you think about it, you start limiting protein in humans when you start having kidney problems too.
TD's sister is a vet, and for dogs she does not like the high protein dog foods that sem to be the rage now. She has seen a lot more kidney issues in dogs on high protein food and is wondering if this is the cause. She has no numbers, but her dog doesn't eat it.
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Post by cronewitch on Jan 21, 2016 4:33:58 GMT -5
I want a cat, I know just which one, I call him meow meow porch cat. He is at ISO's house he would stand in the yard crying then he started sneaking onto the porch to eat the cat food for the raccoon. Then he would come to the porch to cry to get some food. There is a little chicken house on the porch now he sleeps in the nest like he was a chicken and drinks water from a chicken water jar. He has been hanging out begging for food a couple months. Once I was sprinkling food in a dish and he started eating while I was sprinkling the food so I touched his head. If you open the door now he looks in the house like he is going to come in. ISO won't let him in because his cat doesn't want another cat. He is thinking of catching him and running him to the vet or maybe it is a she but the vet can spay or neuter which ever and give him some shots then let it go again. I wonder if it will leave it you take it to the vet and will he ever be friendly. We talk to it all the time and it is meowing less and coming to eat while you are still there now. The porch chicken disappeared a few days ago we think she didn't get in bed in time and was attacked by a raccoon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 20:34:36 GMT -5
Well crap. I knew this would happen after taking my apparently healthy old cat to the vet and sticking a bunch of money in him. He's sick. I don't have a good feeling about this ether. He's not eating that we can tell, has lost weight and is just "off". He's normally really outgoing and loves attention and now he'll sort of hang out by you, and is ok with gently petting his head, but today I tried to rub his side and belly and he actually growled at me. I don't think that cat has ever growled before. Even when we found him with two broken legs he wanted his belly rubbed. It's one of his endearing qualities and why I spent a fortune on him initially to fix him up.
I don't know what to do. I'm working 10 hour days an hour out of town right now and getting time off is out of the question. I made arrangements with the vet to drop him off tomorrow before I go to work and they'll just exam him without me, but not sure what, if anything I should have done. DS is distraught. He's convinced he's depressed by the new kittens being there, but he was fine up until maybe a week ago.
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Post by Jaguar on Jan 27, 2016 20:38:50 GMT -5
I'm hoping the best for your cat.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 27, 2016 20:39:21 GMT -5
It can happen that fast. I'm so sorry.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 27, 2016 20:54:14 GMT -5
Oh, MPL, I'll keep my fingers crossed for Leroy! :-(
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 27, 2016 21:03:49 GMT -5
Crossing my fingers for him and you.
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Post by Opti on Jan 28, 2016 0:35:49 GMT -5
I'm thinking good thoughts on Leroy's behalf. Maybe extra time & love with Leroy would help too. Convince him his people still want him around. <--- Leroy, slightly larger with a gray fur dye job. Love and prayer can help the immune system.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 8:35:38 GMT -5
Dropped him off at the vet. Last night he was growling at me and almost tipped over walking across the room. This morning he seemed a little better, but I know what probably needs to be done. It's my son that is not accepting it so I'm going through the motions. I asked for them to weigh him when I got there, because I knew he was 12.6 pounds on 12/18. He was 10.6 today. Explains the hip bones sticking out. The new kitten was supposed to be to soften the blow for what I knew was coming eventually, but DS is upset he thinks we should have never gotten the other ones, that doing so depressed Leroy. don't think so though. He seemed happy with them at first, it's just been this past week that he's been sick acting. So, today is going to suck. I just clocked into the office in town and now have to hit the road to the plant an hour away. I hate just leaving him there.
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Post by cael on Jan 28, 2016 8:44:13 GMT -5
I'm so sorry MPL, I'll be thinking of you and Leroy today.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 28, 2016 8:45:31 GMT -5
Dropped him off at the vet. Last night he was growling at me and almost tipped over walking across the room. This morning he seemed a little better, but I know what probably needs to be done. It's my son that is not accepting it so I'm going through the motions. I asked for them to weigh him when I got there, because I knew he was 12.6 pounds on 12/18. He was 10.6 today. Explains the hip bones sticking out. The new kitten was supposed to be to soften the blow for what I knew was coming eventually, but DS is upset he thinks we should have never gotten the other ones, that doing so depressed Leroy. don't think so though. He seemed happy with them at first, it's just been this past week that he's been sick acting. So, today is going to suck. I just clocked into the office in town and now have to hit the road to the plant an hour away. I hate just leaving him there. You need to be there for the final moments, if necessary.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 28, 2016 9:36:18 GMT -5
Cats hide illnesses very well, MPL. It isn't until their illness exceed their ability that you start to see them.
Gizzy saw the vet in December, and was kennelled at the vet while we were in NY later that month. By March, he was riddled with cancer and euthanized. The only cue I had was that he lost some weight (even though he was eating well).
It did suck, particularly since he was a major comfort when I was so sick. That cat lived on my lap from the time I got out of the hospital, until I went back. When home health nurse came to do my PICC line maintenance, he was pissed that he had to leave my lap so that there could be a sterile field around the port. The minute that the nurse was done, he was back.
Leroy lived a good life, and when we have pets, this is part of it. We are going to outlive many pets, but the alternative is not having pets. I don't like that either.
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Post by lund on Jan 28, 2016 10:16:12 GMT -5
So sad to hear about your beloved old cat being so sick and your son's reaction. I hope that he will understand that Leroy's illness is unrelated to the new cats. Leroy was lucky to be owned by caring and loving owners. (I assume that if Leroy had been depressed by the new cats, he would not have curled up with Tumbles but kept his distance.) (I also hope that the vet can show that there is an unrelated condition.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 10:25:28 GMT -5
Vet called. He of course doesn't know. He said he's definitely tender in the abdomen and it could be pancreatitis or cancer.
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Post by kittensaver on Jan 28, 2016 10:26:57 GMT -5
If your son will not believe that Leroy's illness was NOT caused by the new cats, maybe have your vet talk to your son directly? It's harder to live in denial when you get the facts from a pro (but clearly not impossible). Also recognize that son pinning "blame" for "depression" on the new kitties may just be his way of denying in his heart and his brain what he knows is a truth about Leroy that son just does not want to face. Be sure son gets lots of hugs and support/permission to grieve. I'm sorry this is happening. Losing a precious fur ball sucks, whether its suddenly or though a long goodbye. Hugs going out to you too while you work through this situation!
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Post by movingforward on Jan 28, 2016 10:36:09 GMT -5
So sorry MPL. I am wishing the best for you, Leroy and your son. Keep us posted.
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Post by Opti on Jan 28, 2016 10:56:26 GMT -5
MPL, did you ever tell your son you were getting the kittens because you knew Leroy was declining?
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Post by taz157 on Jan 28, 2016 11:05:56 GMT -5
So sorry MPL. I am wishing the best for you, Leroy and your son. Keep us posted.
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Jan 28, 2016 11:34:36 GMT -5
I'm so sorry mpl.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jan 28, 2016 12:09:07 GMT -5
I am sorry about Leroy. Losing his cat is going to be hard on your son no matter what. However, my brother initially blamed the kittens that my dad brought home for chasing our older cat away. She was one of those indoor/outdoor cats that just never came back one day. We were already pretty sure that she had another family somewhere. Anyway, my brother got over it and became very attached to the kittens.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 28, 2016 13:38:52 GMT -5
I'm sorry about Leroy.
It's not consolation for him but this thread IS making me think it's time for cats for the kids. Dh and I have started kicking it around and actually talking about dogs vs cats.
He actually fell for a dog on pet finder but further investigation made dh realize that we need a good match for our family and need to be a lot better about leaving plates around.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 28, 2016 16:10:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry about Leroy. It's not consolation for him but this thread IS making me think it's time for cats for the kids. Dh and I have started kicking it around and actually talking about dogs vs cats. He actually fell for a dog on pet finder but further investigation made dh realize that we need a good match for our family and need to be a lot better about leaving plates around. Plus, toilet lids down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 20:43:30 GMT -5
We had Leroy put down this afternoon. DS got to spend a half hour with him beforehand and held him the entire time until it was all over. He's absolutely heartbroken.
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Post by Jaguar on Jan 28, 2016 20:45:07 GMT -5
So very very sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 20:45:08 GMT -5
He's not rejecting the new kitties though. He said he didn't want anything to do with pets ever again for the first couple hours, but Scout is insanely persistent at winning him over.
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