GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Dec 16, 2015 10:37:17 GMT -5
So you would eat next to it  |
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cktc
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Post by cktc on Dec 16, 2015 10:43:01 GMT -5
Sitting out overnight doesn't make milk rotten though...just warm. It will definitely speed up it going bad, but it's doubtful it will make you ill beyond the psychological "making you sick". But, I'm one that grew up where we got our milk with a bucket out of the bulk tank and we didn't refrigerate the eggs. Just me alone in the world thinking milk that sits out for a day is ooky, I'm sure! I've had non pasteurized milk, we leave butter out in the dish, I'm not scared of germs. But anything other than ice cold milk can't get past my nose unless it's in a coffee. How long exactly does it take milk to go bad once it's left out at room temp? Maybe in grandparents day "room temp" was however cold unused rooms got at night? I wouldn't think they had central air and kept the place at 70 oF. It may well have reached freezing in a drafty downstairs room at night. Also, it's pretty easy to tell when milk spoils just by sniffing it. Just because they left it out sometimes it doesn't mean they would continue to drink it if it had gone sour. |
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Post by tractor on Dec 16, 2015 10:44:41 GMT -5
I once stopped by a great uncles house and they had so many cats that the cats would eat off of their plates while they were having dinner. I could only stand it for a few minutes before I excused myself and waited outside until dinner was over.
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NomoreDramaQ1015
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 16, 2015 10:49:14 GMT -5
My guess would be the grandparents were not drinking pasturized milk. Raw milk left out at room temp will turn it into buttermilk/sour milk. Which was often used for cooking and is perfectly safe to drink.
It's pasturized milk that spoils since the process kills off not only bad bacteria but the good bacteria too.
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tloonya
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Post by tloonya on Dec 16, 2015 11:05:34 GMT -5
My guess would be the grandparents were not drinking pasturized milk. Raw milk left out at room temp will turn it into buttermilk/sour milk. Which was often used for cooking and is perfectly safe to drink. It's pasturized milk that spoils since the process kills off not only bad bacteria but the good bacteria too. Exactly! Non pasteurized milk turning into best sour milk that you can eat with a spoon! And the cream on the top...yummm |
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lexxy703
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Post by lexxy703 on Dec 16, 2015 12:05:04 GMT -5
Growing up our cats ate on the kitchen counter so the dogs didn't eat all their food. The dogs licked the plates before they got washed. I still let my cats lick my bowl if I have chicken soup or whatever. One of my cats get on the counter when I'm preparing the canned food. I guess animals don't bother me. I will also eat at pot lucks quite happily.
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Tiny
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Post by Tiny on Dec 16, 2015 12:20:05 GMT -5
The rule at my house is no cats on the tables or counters. They abide by these rules when I'm home - not sure if they do so when I'm not there. Cats do not beg at the table nor are they allowed on the table while people are eating. There is no 'plate licking' either. I'm a big "cat food" is for cats, people food is for people kinda person. I'm also very aware that cats are 'vertical' kinda creatures... I try to keep things that might interest the cats off the counters/tables. I always do a counter 'wipe down' before I start cooking. I also wipe down the table (or pull the tablecloth) before setting the table. I have vintage table linens that are mostly for 'show'... so those come off before setting the table. I started putting a clear plastic cover over the vintage linens. But, I'm not all that happy with the look and feel. I have lots of 'cat traps' - beds, or boxes, or a throw blanket in strategic places around the house (usually when the sunlight falls, or on the 'cat chair', etc) - the cats tend to get caught in the 'traps' and that keeps them out of places I don't really want them to be/go.  |
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Post by TheOtherMe on Dec 16, 2015 19:18:25 GMT -5
While my cat's food is on the floor, she has full run of the house.
All of my cats have and any future cats will. I'm still here.
That said, I bought a wonderful cat scratcher lounger for Lucy. She spends hours on it each day.
If any young children come, she jumps up on top of the kitchen cupboards out of fear. She isn't used to young children and isn't taking any chances. I'd rather she do that than try to bite them.
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