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Post by Value Buy on May 1, 2016 8:53:22 GMT -5
If the bookmark reference is for me, because I am backing Trump, you are incorrect. I have stated I do not nor did back him. I enjoy the fact he has broken the Republican party leadership, or at least hope he has. They have lied to us for decades and never fulfilled their promises to us, even when they had the ability to do it. I only write about Trump, because I recognized he hit the sweet spot with fellow Republican voters. He talks the talk, and not afraid to talk about issues that label him with various religious and immoral references, but are issues that must be discussed and fixed so our nation can continue to grow and prosper. I have already stated Hillary has a 60% chance to win in the fall. It is her's to lose. I will never vote for her. I cannot do it. I am also a Republican who cannot vote for Cruz. Ever. At least Trump has finally and aptly named the last Republican standing in the race. Lying Ted Cruz. The bookmark comment is because you wrote "(got to keep this thread on the nomination)". If you didn't mean you wanted to make sure you can easily access/find this particular thread after the election, Hence, my bookmark comment. I apparently misunderstood your comment. Okay, I understand now. Sometimes I get carried away with my sarcasm. I think it is obvious, but evidently, it's only obvious to me. I think you were correct and I was totally wrong. Thanks
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Post by OldCoyote on May 1, 2016 9:16:18 GMT -5
I can't wait for the Republican Conference or whatever is called when they actually pick their nominee. That's gonna be something to see especialy if they allow weapons in as some want. As much as Donald Trump wants now to look all political and republican mind you, he is neither. He remains a selfish businessman that will do and say anything to get a deal to go his way while entertaining the crowds sometimes with his bluntness and sometimes with his ignorance. In some circles in Chicago(believe it to be Bernie Sanders supporters ) the call him T. I laughed hard on that! That's gonna be something to see especialy if they allow weapons in as some want.mroped, Have you ever been to a large gun show, you where everyone has a gun,, you meet the most polite people in the world there. Just how many shoot out have ever been reported at a gun show, there are hundred of shows every week!!
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Post by mroped on May 1, 2016 10:14:11 GMT -5
When you go to a gun show OC, you go to see guns or show guns or sell guns and everybody is on happy go lucky mood. Now a republican/democratic convention, well that's a different animal: heated spirits and debates about who's the right one and why etc. Disagreements abound and tempers flare not to mention childish behavior. Do you wanna allow these people with a loaded weapon in a place like that? Some people perceive the one that disagrees with them as a threat to their ideals and when you put a gun in their hands, they just see a solution to their problem. Remeber that " the best kind of enemy is a dead enemy!" and the definition of who's the enemy can be confusing and have fuzzy details.
But by all means: allow guns into the republican convention! Thinning the heard could ensure the survival of the race!
Comparing the peacefulness of gun shows to the Republican Convention for the nomination is like comparing a ballet recital with an MMA fight. Aft all in both of them there are people involved that are moving around!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 1, 2016 10:41:03 GMT -5
I had a very liberal friend tell way back when AZ first did the concealed weapons thing, that there were going to be shootouts on ever corner.
It did not happen, even now you don't even need a concealed permit to carry concealed, we still don't have shootouts on every corner!
This the wild wild west!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 1, 2016 10:54:21 GMT -5
AZ politics make the Mafia look like an honest organization.
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Post by mroped on May 1, 2016 11:37:12 GMT -5
Now put those few people from Arizona in a room and multiply that with 50 then add the same for each of the potential nominees of the Republican Party. Then give them loaded guns and wait for the results of the nominating process!
It doesn't even begin to compare with having "concealed weapon permits" issue or even open carry issue. It is simply a high number of armed individuals in an enclosed space while disagreeing on an issue that is very near and dear to their hearts. Do you still think that they would be reasoning with each other in a calm manner? All it takes is one shot from a nervous, twitchy individual and then kaboom!
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Post by marvholly on May 2, 2016 5:42:27 GMT -5
I can't wait for the Republican Conference or whatever is called when they actually pick their nominee. That's gonna be something to see especialy if they allow weapons in as some want. As much as Donald Trump wants now to look all political and republican mind you, he is neither. He remains a selfish businessman that will do and say anything to get a deal to go his way while entertaining the crowds sometimes with his bluntness and sometimes with his ignorance. In some circles in Chicago(believe it to be Bernie Sanders supporters ) the call him T. I laughed hard on that!
I am deathly afraid of what we are going to see at the Republican Convention. i have visions of Chicago 1968 w/riots, police brutality..........That was the first presidential election cycle i was old enough to vote. I hope Cleveland is well prepared.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 2, 2016 8:04:02 GMT -5
The left will be asking for mercy after Tuesday evening why? Seems to me it is the right which will be pleading for the Rapture Tuesday evening. (Bookmark the thread so you can revisit it after November 9th.) If the bookmark reference is for me, because I am backing Trump, you are incorrect. I have stated I do not nor did back him. I enjoy the fact he has broken the Republican party leadership, or at least hope he has. They have lied to us for decades and never fulfilled their promises to us, even when they had the ability to do it. I only write about Trump, because I recognized he hit the sweet spot with fellow Republican voters. He talks the talk, and not afraid to talk about issues that label him with various religious and immoral references, but are issues that must be discussed and fixed so our nation can continue to grow and prosper. I have already stated Hillary has a 60% chance to win in the fall. It is her's to lose. I will never vote for her. I cannot do it. I am also a Republican who cannot vote for Cruz. Ever. At least Trump has finally and aptly named the last Republican standing in the race. Lying Ted Cruz. paradoxical, coming from the lyingist liar that every lied a lie tho, isn't it?
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2016 8:29:59 GMT -5
... i have visions of Chicago 1968 w/riots, police brutality ... Actually it was the police who rioted: A federal commission later called it a police riot, and the mayhem outside the Chicago convention continues to influence political protests today. www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93898277
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Post by Value Buy on May 2, 2016 19:06:29 GMT -5
Cruz has had his hands full last couple of days. He had a ten year old take him to task at one of his speeches, and he singled the kid out and talked to the boy about respecting adults...........Ted Cruz criticizing someone for not respecting adults........... (wonder if he was Cruz plant in the audience) Today he went face to face with Trump backers on a sidewalk debating with them on how bad Trump is. I guess since Trump refuses to debate him anymore, he has nowhere else to go to debate but the streets of Indiana. I do give him some points on debating a so called run of the mill Hoosier, who did not exactly represent Hoosiers in a reasonable way, but obviously the guy was not schooled in formal debate etiquette either. Good thing there was not a portable basketball hoop around. They could have played a game of horse, or rings, if you prefer, and see who won
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2016 9:01:44 GMT -5
Watching Fiorina slip between the steps on the bleacher yesterday, and Ted not doing anything about it while he continued to shake hands in the row directly behind her was rather, err, sort of, ah, how can I say it, slightly awkward. Trump while talking about it said even he would have helped her up Political talking heads will be dissecting the Republican primary for decades to try to figure out how so many politicians could possibly implode this badly. It has been so bad that no one mentions Rand Paul as being the first victim this year. Good thing for Rand because no one will remember it in three years. Really bad for Cruz being the last man standing, err, ahh, falling. I am reminded of the old advertisement of, I fell and I can't get up. Unlike the elderly lady who called for help, he has called for his political destruction by trecking onward. Cruz has destroyed any future runs at the Presidency in about two week's time. Even this morning he is quotes as "this race in Indiana is effectively tied". 'Lyin Ted Cruz' to the bitter end.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 3, 2016 9:19:33 GMT -5
I am not going to fault Cruz for the Fiorina post-fall action or lack there of. With all the people and activity on the stage, it was possible not to have seen the actual fall. Even Mrs. Cruz didn't see it and she was in front of her husband. I don't care a whit about the Cruz family but I doubt his wife is that cold or uncaring of others.
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2016 9:20:14 GMT -5
I am disappointed in the way that Cruz is falling apart in the end. We will read at some point how he lost because he didn't come to Carly's rescue, or because he got in the argument with the guy on the street, or because he said he would spank a child. It will be like Goldwater and that one commercial. Of course America never rejects the far right ideas of such candidates, there is always another reason.
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2016 9:33:10 GMT -5
I am not going to fault Cruz for the Fiorina post-fall action or lack there of. With all the people and activity on the stage, it was possible not to have seen the actual fall. Even Mrs. Cruz didn't see it and she was in front of her husband. I don't care a whit about the Cruz family but I doubt his wife is that cold or uncaring of others. Did you see the video? Ted's wife saw it happen in real time. Look at her face and how she grimaced. She went forward towards Carly, although it does not look like she was of assistance. To be fair no one directly in front or behind her seem to realize it happened other than people watching on television, but Cruz was walking straight our from behind her and had a clear view. Ted was the deer in the headlights where he is so focused on him and the event he fails to see what was exactly in front of him, as was the guy behind Carly that became so focused on Cruz, he did nothing while seeing Carly go down. I felt for Forina. I slipped through a bleacher seat one time, and skinned my leg against the edge for over twelve inches. Not fun! And I know it''s not funny, but for Cruz it is karma. I hope Carly's leg is fine, and I wish and hope the media does not ask her what happened, because it is immaterial at this point.
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2016 9:36:49 GMT -5
I am disappointed in the way that Cruz is falling apart in the end. We will read at some point how he lost because he didn't come to Carly's rescue, or because he got in the argument with the guy on the street, or because he said he would spank a child. It will be like Goldwater and that one commercial. Of course America never rejects the far right ideas of such candidates, there is always another reason. Sometimes, I cannot tell when you are serious, or being euphemistic. To have your campaign implode in ten days when they are your own worst blunders is telling. Some people know when to call it a day, and others, do not. Goes to character. Also explains how Congress was held hostage by him. Both parties, as they did not know how to handle him. Trump knew how to handle him.
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2016 9:44:24 GMT -5
Sometimes, I cannot tell when you are serious, or being euphemistic. ... I work to use this guy when I post something I do not want to be taken seriously:
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2016 9:58:08 GMT -5
I am disappointed in the way that Cruz is falling apart in the end. We will read at some point how he lost because he didn't come to Carly's rescue, or because he got in the argument with the guy on the street, or because he said he would spank a child. It will be like Goldwater and that one commercial. Of course America never rejects the far right ideas of such candidates, there is always another reason. Sometimes, I cannot tell when you are serious, or being euphemistic. To have your campaign implode in ten days when they are your own worst blunders is telling. Some people know when to call it a day, and others, do not. Goes to character. Also explains how Congress was held hostage by him. Both parties, as they did not know how to handle him. Trump knew how to handle him. Some have stated that Republicans have lost elections because they are not "true conservatives" and a majority of Americans want a "true conservative". Ted Cruz is a "true conservative" and thus should have walked away with the GOP nomination on his path to an easy victory in November. That he did not is a clear indication of America's rejection of what he stands for but those who believe as he does will now be able to focus on Ted the Man as a flawed messenger and not the actual rejection of the message.
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2016 12:27:13 GMT -5
Sometimes, I cannot tell when you are serious, or being euphemistic. To have your campaign implode in ten days when they are your own worst blunders is telling. Some people know when to call it a day, and others, do not. Goes to character. Also explains how Congress was held hostage by him. Both parties, as they did not know how to handle him. Trump knew how to handle him. Some have stated that Republicans have lost elections because they are not "true conservatives" and a majority of Americans want a "true conservative". Ted Cruz is a "true conservative" and thus should have walked away with the GOP nomination on his path to an easy victory in November. That he did not is a clear indication of America's rejection of what he stands for but those who believe as he does will now be able to focus on Ted the Man as a flawed messenger and not the actual rejection of the message. I am not sure you are correct. His holding Congress hostage to both parties was his demise. Trump is the ultimate answer for citizens who are tired of the usual bs coming out of all politician's mouths. A non politician just telling what he thinks at the moment, totally unfiltered, who promises to make the deals necessary to accomplish the government needs and requirements of our citizens. Political correctness was killing free speech and now it is back in the mainstream, for maybe only three months, if Trump is defeated, but at least it is there. Even Bloomberg went to a University decrying demands for "SAFE PLACES" on campus to stop free speech. he was booed. This has to be stopped. This is the ultimate result and culmination of the original Tea Party. Trump s a very flawed candidate. We all know it. He is just less flawed than Hillary
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2016 12:51:24 GMT -5
Some have stated that Republicans have lost elections because they are not "true conservatives" and a majority of Americans want a "true conservative". Ted Cruz is a "true conservative" and thus should have walked away with the GOP nomination on his path to an easy victory in November. That he did not is a clear indication of America's rejection of what he stands for but those who believe as he does will now be able to focus on Ted the Man as a flawed messenger and not the actual rejection of the message. I am not sure you are correct. His holding Congress hostage to both parties was his demise. ... "True conservatives" honor Cruz for holding all those Democrats and RINO's in Congress hostage. His demise was that there is not a majority of Americans, or even Republican primary voters, who agree with him on the issues on which he holds Congress hostage.
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Post by Opti on May 3, 2016 12:57:47 GMT -5
Some have stated that Republicans have lost elections because they are not "true conservatives" and a majority of Americans want a "true conservative". Ted Cruz is a "true conservative" and thus should have walked away with the GOP nomination on his path to an easy victory in November. That he did not is a clear indication of America's rejection of what he stands for but those who believe as he does will now be able to focus on Ted the Man as a flawed messenger and not the actual rejection of the message. I am not sure you are correct. His holding Congress hostage to both parties was his demise. Trump is the ultimate answer for citizens who are tired of the usual bs coming out of all politician's mouths. A non politician just telling what he thinks at the moment, totally unfiltered, who promises to make the deals necessary to accomplish the government needs and requirements of our citizens.Political correctness was killing free speech and now it is back in the mainstream, for maybe only three months, if Trump is defeated, but at least it is there. Even Bloomberg went to a University decrying demands for "SAFE PLACES" on campus to stop free speech. he was booed. This has to be stopped. This is the ultimate result and culmination of the original Tea Party. Trump s a very flawed candidate. We all know it. He is just less flawed than Hillary I think Trump's popularity is proof of many things, including the deep desire of people to believe things in spite of easily available evidence. Trump is a salesman, a marketer, one who bent bankers to his will by not telling the truth. A champion marketer selling you what to hear is pretty much how marketers and salesmen roll.
Trump has done a brilliant marketing campaign on his voters and even some who won't vote for him. He's exploited the desire to keep foreigners from taking American jobs while making sure he can hire foreigners for his hotels. He exploits the belief of people that scripted language must be lies therefore people who don't script themselves must be telling the truth. (Total bunk, that. Its as if people forget marketers sometimes will say anything to sell a product. And have no people in their real lives that are willing to lie to them unscripted, passioniately, as a way of appearing sincere.)
Of course he's selling his deal-making skills. Which apparently are so brilliant he decided to spend less time on real estate and branch out to lucrative deals like steaks, and menswear at Macy's.
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Post by Opti on May 3, 2016 13:07:00 GMT -5
Unfortunately I see Trump as the same kind of dealmaker Cruz is, in other words, someone who will try to take the ball home instead of come up with a good deal that will work.
Here's a good article to read, about a deal that might have made him the top NYC real estate developer instead of the seller of Trump as a brand. www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-01-27/donald-trump-s-track-record-on-deals
Fueled by a slew of bank loans in the late 1980s, Trump absorbed an airline, a football team, a landmark hotel, a bunch of casinos, a yacht, and other nifty stuff -- almost all of which he eventually lost because he couldn’t juggle the debt payments.
He overcame those setbacks, but the man who emerged from that mess wasn’t really a dealmaker anymore. Kept afloat by his wealthy father’s funds and his own gifts for self-promotion, Trump became a reality TV star, golf course developer and human shingle who licensed his name on everything from real estate and vodka to mattresses and underwear.
Through Trump’s rise, fall and rebirth, there was one major real estate project that he tried to keep. The tale of what happened to that property should be of interest to anyone looking for insight into how Trump might perform as president. It was a deal of genuine magnitude and would have put him atop the New York real estate market. And he screwed it up.
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2016 15:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by dondub on May 3, 2016 15:21:30 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on May 3, 2016 15:54:35 GMT -5
Sometimes, I cannot tell when you are serious, or being euphemistic. To have your campaign implode in ten days when they are your own worst blunders is telling. Some people know when to call it a day, and others, do not. Goes to character. Also explains how Congress was held hostage by him. Both parties, as they did not know how to handle him. Trump knew how to handle him. Some have stated that Republicans have lost elections because they are not "true conservatives" and a majority of Americans want a "true conservative". Ted Cruz is a "true conservative" and thus should have walked away with the GOP nomination on his path to an easy victory in November. That he did not is a clear indication of America's rejection of what he stands for but those who believe as he does will now be able to focus on Ted the Man as a flawed messenger and not the actual rejection of the message. This is what confuses me so much about Trump. He is not a true conservative. He's not a conservative at all. He was a democrat long before he was GOP, he was pro choice a long time before he was anti-abortion, and his foreign policy is less hawkish than Hillary's. He can't by any stretch of the imagination be considered a religious person with deep moral convictions - he changes his wives like other men change their shoes, and he would sell you his mother if he profited him. How does any conservative think Trump will support the things that matter to conservatives?
It's like they've been blinded by his whole 'wall' idea - which, if you pay attention, is not something Trump has talked about much lately, and will completely disappear from his vocabulary should he get elected.
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Post by tallguy on May 3, 2016 16:46:54 GMT -5
Gotta give credit where it is due. Cruz finally came up with a good line. In talking about Trump, he said that voters were "looking, potentially, at the Biff Tannen presidency."
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2016 17:00:17 GMT -5
Some have stated that Republicans have lost elections because they are not "true conservatives" and a majority of Americans want a "true conservative". Ted Cruz is a "true conservative" and thus should have walked away with the GOP nomination on his path to an easy victory in November. That he did not is a clear indication of America's rejection of what he stands for but those who believe as he does will now be able to focus on Ted the Man as a flawed messenger and not the actual rejection of the message. This is what confuses me so much about Trump. He is not a true conservative. He's not a conservative at all. ... How does any conservative think Trump will support the things that matter to conservatives? ... The people who are voting for him aren't really conservatives either. They are ideologically confused individuals, i.e. typical Americans.
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2016 18:03:45 GMT -5
Well, that did not take long. 7PM and all cable news networks declared the contest over in Indiana.
In other news, the Never Trump movement officially died at 7pm eastern time on this day.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 3, 2016 18:05:05 GMT -5
Some have stated that Republicans have lost elections because they are not "true conservatives" and a majority of Americans want a "true conservative". Ted Cruz is a "true conservative" and thus should have walked away with the GOP nomination on his path to an easy victory in November. That he did not is a clear indication of America's rejection of what he stands for but those who believe as he does will now be able to focus on Ted the Man as a flawed messenger and not the actual rejection of the message. I am not sure you are correct. His holding Congress hostage to both parties was his demise. Trump is the ultimate answer for citizens who are tired of the usual bs coming out of all politician's mouths. A non politician just telling what he thinks at the moment, totally unfiltered, who promises to make the deals necessary to accomplish the government needs and requirements of our citizens. Political correctness was killing free speech and now it is back in the mainstream, for maybe only three months, if Trump is defeated, but at least it is there. Even Bloomberg went to a University decrying demands for "SAFE PLACES" on campus to stop free speech. he was booed. This has to be stopped. This is the ultimate result and culmination of the original Tea Party. Trump s a very flawed candidate. We all know it. He is just less flawed than Hillary is he the answer because he has precisely ZERO political skills? i am quite confused about this. NOTE: i think this PC argument is bullshit. licentious insensitivity is not presidential.
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2016 18:20:19 GMT -5
I am not sure you are correct. His holding Congress hostage to both parties was his demise. Trump is the ultimate answer for citizens who are tired of the usual bs coming out of all politician's mouths. A non politician just telling what he thinks at the moment, totally unfiltered, who promises to make the deals necessary to accomplish the government needs and requirements of our citizens. Political correctness was killing free speech and now it is back in the mainstream, for maybe only three months, if Trump is defeated, but at least it is there. Even Bloomberg went to a University decrying demands for "SAFE PLACES" on campus to stop free speech. he was booed. This has to be stopped. This is the ultimate result and culmination of the original Tea Party. Trump s a very flawed candidate. We all know it. He is just less flawed than Hillary is he the answer because he has precisely ZERO political skills? i am quite confused about this. NOTE: i think this PC argument is bullshit. licentious insensitivity is not presidential. No. Not necessarily about zero political skills. He actually has some of that, but he is a cruel person politically speaking. This is the culmination of the original Tea Party uprising.
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