debthaven
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Post by debthaven on Nov 19, 2015 18:04:00 GMT -5
My students showed me that the other day ... FYI, it initially came from "le petit journal", which is a TV news show and newspaper (if the newspaper still exists) for kids/young teens. They insisted on showing it to me even though it was in French. It was picked up and broadcasted by all the major news channels here too. I too had the impression that they were local, or that perhaps they knew people who were at the Cambodian restaurant that was attacked. For better or worse, a lot of the French youth has decided to say "F you" by going into Paris, and purposely going to tourist areas. I was THRILLED (not) when I got home from work today and DD (23) came in shortly afterwards and told me that she and several of her friends had gone to the Eiffel Tower to take photos of it while it was red white and blue, as well as another popular tourist site I can't remember. Although nobody at my university was killed or injured, several of the students / staff / faculty have lost close friends or family members. Same with my DS3's HS. A lot of the foreign students have just disappeared, which is a logistical nightmare for my school, because now their universities are expecting my school to provide exams remotely. One of my Masters students fainted in class today, we had to call an ambulance ... apparently she hadn't eaten a thing in 4 days. The atmosphere here is very difficult. ETA: Most of my Masters students aren't French, they are foreign, and they are having a terrible time coping because they have never had anything to do with terrorist attacks before.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 20, 2015 6:09:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry for them and for you.
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Phoenix84
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 20, 2015 12:03:26 GMT -5
Some cultures are simply better than others. I think we can all clearly see that ISIS is perpetrating evil. And, they are determined to carry it out to the point of their own deaths. Sooo, if you have some answer on how to deal with them without fighting back to kill them, then please put forth your plan. Not once did I mention not fighting back. As usual, when the fallacy of your argument is pointed out, you try to divert attention from you by misquoting or baiting the other person. As for the idea that some cultures are better and some are evil.... Again, that's exactly what ISIS and its followers think about us. I can see both sides. On one hand, shooby is right on the fact it's hard to negotiate or find "gray areas," or common ground to make peace. When someone wants to kill you, and is willing to kill themselves to do it, it makes it hard to negotiate peace through any other means but violence. But milee is right in that we can't play into their "us vs. them" strategy. That's exactly what they want, a global war of Muslims against everyone else. You can't just beat them on the battlefield, but also in the war of ideas.
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movingforward
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Post by movingforward on Nov 20, 2015 12:44:39 GMT -5
I actually think this is the right attitude. Once we let the terrorists dictate our day to day lives they have won.
Also, please accept my deepest sympathy to you and the people of France. What an absolute horrible thing to have experienced. Watching the breaking news coverage on television was very upsetting to me. I can't imagine what it would be like to actually be there.
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milee
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Post by milee on Nov 20, 2015 13:17:48 GMT -5
Not once did I mention not fighting back. As usual, when the fallacy of your argument is pointed out, you try to divert attention from you by misquoting or baiting the other person. As for the idea that some cultures are better and some are evil.... Again, that's exactly what ISIS and its followers think about us. I can see both sides. On one hand, shooby is right on the fact it's hard to negotiate or find "gray areas," or common ground to make peace. When someone wants to kill you, and is willing to kill themselves to do it, it makes it hard to negotiate peace through any other means but violence. But milee is right in that we can't play into their "us vs. them" strategy. That's exactly what they want, a global war of Muslims against everyone else. You can't just beat them on the battlefield, but also in the war of ideas. I actually agree that violence on our part will be necessary. My issue was with the idea of scorched earth "annihilation". We cause more problems than we solve with that type of attitude and approach.
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Shooby
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Post by Shooby on Nov 20, 2015 14:42:30 GMT -5
No we don't.
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TheOtherMe
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 20, 2015 21:57:32 GMT -5
I'm sorry debthaven for you, your family and your students.
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