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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 7, 2015 13:22:37 GMT -5
ridiculous. every eligible voter is capable of voting 3rd party. the only persuasion required is to look at what they, themselves, want, and find a candidate that supports that. nothing more. You're saying it's ridiculous. Perhaps in theory. In reality, it just "is". If you think you can persuade enough eligible voters to propel a third party to victory, then put your money where your mouth is. No need to let me know- I'll notice when you've done it. it is ridiculous prima face. and i don't have to do it. it has already been done. ![](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/1f/1f6352964dded80258447628f81db5e9b16d195b8b6f44c8a9e7df6a62914b52.jpg)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 7, 2015 14:19:06 GMT -5
You're saying it's ridiculous. Perhaps in theory. In reality, it just "is". If you think you can persuade enough eligible voters to propel a third party to victory, then put your money where your mouth is. No need to let me know- I'll notice when you've done it. it is ridiculous prima face. and i don't have to do it. it has already been done. ![](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/1f/1f6352964dded80258447628f81db5e9b16d195b8b6f44c8a9e7df6a62914b52.jpg) That empire was torpedoed. Literally. By a single small fighter, one pilot, and one torpedo.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 7, 2015 14:21:55 GMT -5
Besides- if we can get a Republican Party full of people like Matt Bevins, and they can win- there's really no need for a third party. Yes, it was a bad week for Democrats. But make no mistake, it was a really bad week for the GOP establishment. The guy McConnell destroyed by 25 points is now the governor of McConnell's state-- having won by 9 points. Things are on the upswing. Conservatism, as I've said, is ascendant.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 10, 2015 15:39:21 GMT -5
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Post by dondub on Nov 10, 2015 18:20:41 GMT -5
"Extremist Republicans are going to take away your healthcare"
Well, they have tried 46 times already to take it away from those 9+ million that now have it. And as that one study showed....47,000 Americans were dying every year due to lack of access to healthcare while the pro-life party of family values watched Rome burn. That sure seems 'extremist' to me. Then they top it off by having how many Repo guvs not join up to the Medicare expansion thereby depriving their poorest citizens, a per capita majority of whom are Black. Nice people.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 12, 2015 16:17:56 GMT -5
"Extremist Republicans are going to take away your healthcare" Well, they have tried 46 times already to take it away from those 9+ million that now have it. And as that one study showed....47,000 Americans were dying every year due to lack of access to healthcare while the pro-life party of family values watched Rome burn. That sure seems 'extremist' to me. Then they top it off by having how many Repo guvs not join up to the Medicare expansion thereby depriving their poorest citizens, a per capita majority of whom are Black. Nice people. 1. I wish they'd try just once. Show votes. 2. ObamaCare has cost more people their health insurance than anything since the government inspired employer-owned healthcare with misguided wage and price controls during and after WWII.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 12, 2015 16:18:31 GMT -5
Correct. If it works, and it's so great- nobody will mind.
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Post by dondub on Nov 12, 2015 18:26:16 GMT -5
2. ObamaCare has cost more people their health insurance
It's true that piece of crap policies, many of which didn't even cover hospitalization, (and who picks up that tab)were cancelled. Of course these people could then do what? it's not like they are all uninsured.
If you are not aware that there have been 40+ attempts to repeal Obamacare it may be due to the total impotence of the Repo congresses over the last few years. They should have had someone call you to let you know.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2015 12:17:03 GMT -5
it is ridiculous prima face. and i don't have to do it. it has already been done. ![](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/1f/1f6352964dded80258447628f81db5e9b16d195b8b6f44c8a9e7df6a62914b52.jpg) That empire was torpedoed. Literally. By a single small fighter, one pilot, and one torpedo. yeah. that was a cute fantasy for kiddies. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2015 12:19:47 GMT -5
"Extremist Republicans are going to take away your healthcare" Well, they have tried 46 times already to take it away from those 9+ million that now have it. And as that one study showed....47,000 Americans were dying every year due to lack of access to healthcare while the pro-life party of family values watched Rome burn. That sure seems 'extremist' to me. Then they top it off by having how many Repo guvs not join up to the Medicare expansion thereby depriving their poorest citizens, a per capita majority of whom are Black. Nice people. 1. I wish they'd try just once. Show votes. 2. ObamaCare has cost more people their health insurance than anything since the government inspired employer-owned healthcare with misguided wage and price controls during and after WWII. 1) what are you talking about? 2) what is the net gain/loss in insured individuals since the ACA was passed?
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 13, 2015 19:59:51 GMT -5
Single payer is on the ballot in 2016 for Colorado: www.politico.com/story/2015/11/obamacare-colorado-single-payer-health-care-21578010% payroll tax, 7% paid by the employer, and no more having to deal with healthcare- I cannot see why businesses would not support it (except the insurance industry of course). Wish them luck- because if it takes off in one state and proves the model cost effective it will spread to every state that is not part of the south ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2015 20:33:06 GMT -5
i think those numbers are way too low without cost containment, unfortunately. if i remember correctly, we are paying close to 2x that, nationally. those are the kind of rates that i would expect in any country that wasn't run by corporations, however. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 13, 2015 20:53:04 GMT -5
i think those numbers are way too low without cost containment, unfortunately. if i remember correctly, we are paying close to 2x that, nationally. those are the kind of rates that i would expect in any country that wasn't run by corporations, however. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) Cost containment was part of it- and the insurance companies are already throwing out the fear- doctors will leave the state, etc. But looking at it from an employer/employee angle I cannot understand why it would not be good for both. Employers don't have to deal with it anymore, and employees do not have their insurance tied to their jobs. Also think of this- in a single payer system- the doctor no longer has to pay for a huge staff to deal with the insane amount of paperwork dealing with various insurance companies. So much more of the available healthcare dollars go to actual healthcare and not all of these bottlenecks. I hope they vote for it and at least the other states can watch and see how it goes- why not? I do not see any better ideas out there. All I see is the GOP plan to undo 'Obamacare' and bring us right back where we were- the damn near worst healthcare system in the modern world- where we pay the most and get jack when it comes to value and results. Just about anything is better than to let the GOP put their hands on it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2015 21:17:39 GMT -5
i think those numbers are way too low without cost containment, unfortunately. if i remember correctly, we are paying close to 2x that, nationally. those are the kind of rates that i would expect in any country that wasn't run by corporations, however. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) Cost containment was part of it- and the insurance companies are already throwing out the fear- doctors will leave the state, etc. But looking at it from an employer/employee angle I cannot understand why it would not be good for both. Employers don't have to deal with it anymore, and employees do not have their insurance tied to their jobs. Also think of this- in a single payer system- the doctor no longer has to pay for a huge staff to deal with the insane amount of paperwork dealing with various insurance companies. So much more of the available healthcare dollars go to actual healthcare and not all of these bottlenecks. I hope they vote for it and at least the other states can watch and see how it goes- why not? I do not see any better ideas out there. All I see is the GOP plan to undo 'Obamacare' and bring us right back where we were- the damn near worst healthcare system in the modern world- where we pay the most and get jack when it comes to value and results. Just about anything is better than to let the GOP put their hands on it. you seem to think i have some kind of objection to this. i don't. my only issue is that i think that they will have a hard time getting those rates to cover.
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 14, 2015 20:08:08 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing this up Fishy; I was not aware of this plan. I'll be watching closely now. Within the article you linked there is also a link to a pamphlet put out in Colorado which gives more detail:
coloradocareyes.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ColoradoCare-how-it-would-workbooklet.pdf
I share dj's concern over the cost, but there are also opportunities for cost savings, and the plan carries inherent capability for cost adjustment. Plus it taxes all- not just wage income. I also wonder if they are right to totally eliminate deductables and co-pays, but there are arguments pro and con for that.
A fascinating plan, I hope they pass it. That is way to large to be called a pamphlet ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) But I hope they do it and run the insurance companies out of the state. One issue I will be rooting for in 2016
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Post by dondub on Nov 22, 2015 14:23:04 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 22, 2015 14:31:24 GMT -5
it will be fun to watch this fact be quietly buried by the "liberal" media. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) i didn't even know the name of the guy running against Vitter until today. Vitter was leading by 15% in September. kind of like the presumptive nominee for president. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 22, 2015 15:01:21 GMT -5
VItter was viewed as just an extension of Jindal. And with Jindal running a 20% approval rate in Louisiana.....
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 22, 2015 15:03:46 GMT -5
VItter was viewed as just an extension of Jindal. And with Jindal running a 20% approval rate in Louisiana..... i read about this this morning. what killed Vitter was the primary, ironically. they dredged out all of Vitters skeletons, and ran them on the TV 24/7. he got beaten down hard by his opponents, who hoped to win, and the end result was that he was so battered in the runoff, that he lost huge. does this remind you of any "potentialities" out there, or is it just me?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 22, 2015 15:05:55 GMT -5
The good surgeon (and that's the only thing he is good at) comes to mind.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 22, 2015 15:12:20 GMT -5
The good surgeon (and that's the only thing he is good at) comes to mind. indeed. do you think the same "potentiality" will be "explored" with Trump?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 22, 2015 15:16:13 GMT -5
I believe when there is finally a hole in Trump's armor he adversaries, but republicans and democrats, will go after him and chip away more and more.
There will be a hell of a lot of Americans waking up to a wicked hangover.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 22, 2015 15:25:53 GMT -5
I believe when there is finally a hole in Trump's armor he adversaries, but republicans and democrats, will go after him and chip away more and more. There will be a hell of a lot of Americans waking up to a wicked hangover. i agree. and i also think that a guy like Trump- who is used to acting with impunity, like a king, has been "less than a prince" from time to time. they are going to tear him to shreds.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 22, 2015 16:00:28 GMT -5
Make no mistake-I want Trump to win the Republican nomination. It will be an interesting election. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png)
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