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Post by movingforward on Oct 28, 2015 16:23:11 GMT -5
I think it is important to have diversity on TV because there are some people who kick around the same 10 blocks their entire lives. Television is their only exposure to people of other ethnicities. Also, children IMHO need to see that people of all cultures, gender, and sexual orientation can become doctors, lawyers, police officers, detectives, etc. They should be hearing and seeing this type of thing from family but sometimes they don't and television may be their only exposure.
Personally, I think it is kind of stupid to say there is too much diversity on TV but I admittedly didn't read the articles so...
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2015 16:47:36 GMT -5
I have more issues with fat acceptance on TV. From Mike and Molly, to My Big Fat Fabulous Life. to more and more ads for plus-sized clothing. Being morbidly obese is NOT ok. Just because most people have blown up to ridiculous proportions doesn't make it ok. It's unhealthy and leads to a shorter life. "Everybody's fat. Let's just give up and embrace it."
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Post by quince on Oct 28, 2015 17:53:01 GMT -5
Being morbidly obese is just as OK as being as far under a "healthy" BMI as many models and actresses are. It IS a risk factor. It isn't the only one in existence. Playing football is also risky and when done professionally, isn't great for health or life expectancy. So fucking what? It is still fine to televise games.
I'm not big on pushing that it is FANTASTIC to be fat, but it isn't the worst thing ever. Having entertainment reflect actual demographics is a good thing. Are a lot of people pushing how amazing it is to be so enlarged that mobility is affected?
I personally don't give a fuck about seeing more fat people in media- don't care. I WOULD like to see more "people like me" -ethnically Asian, culturally american, instead of exoticized Asians. It has improved in the past decade.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2015 18:14:36 GMT -5
Being morbidly obese is just as OK as being as far under a "healthy" BMI as many models and actresses are. It IS a risk factor. It isn't the only one in existence. Playing football is also risky and when done professionally, isn't great for health or life expectancy. So fucking what? It is still fine to televise games. I'm not big on pushing that it is FANTASTIC to be fat, but it isn't the worst thing ever. Having entertainment reflect actual demographics is a good thing. Are a lot of people pushing how amazing it is to be so enlarged that mobility is affected? I personally don't give a fuck about seeing more fat people in media- don't care. I WOULD like to see more "people like me" -ethnically Asian, culturally american, instead of exoticized Asians. It has improved in the past decade. I didn't say "it was the worst thing ever". I said it's not OK. And it isn't. "Oh, let's just make bigger airplane seats. Oh, let's show how fat and fabulous you can be. Oh, let's supersize all your meals for only a dollar more! You can have a burger in a doughnut!" Instead of embracing it, folks should be encouraged to shut their pie-holes or eat more salad."
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Post by MJ2.0 on Oct 28, 2015 18:25:00 GMT -5
I,for one, LOVE that I'm seeing more racially mixed couples/families on tv and in ads. People have been swirling for centuries, it's about time the media has caught up to represent that!
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2015 18:38:01 GMT -5
I,for one, LOVE that I'm seeing more racially mixed couples/families on tv and in ads. People have been swirling for centuries, it's about time the media has caught up to represent that! I like it, too. That also goes for showing more same-sex couples on TV and commercials.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2015 18:41:51 GMT -5
This one was making peoples' heads explode! Too bad, so sad.
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Post by dannylion on Oct 28, 2015 18:44:37 GMT -5
I have more issues with fat acceptance on TV. From Mike and Molly, to My Big Fat Fabulous Life. to more and more ads for plus-sized clothing. Being morbidly obese is NOT ok. Just because most people have blown up to ridiculous proportions doesn't make it ok. It's unhealthy and leads to a shorter life. "Everybody's fat. Let's just give up and embrace it." Yeah, a person's character, personality, intelligence, skills, talents, accomplishments, and feelings are of no value whatsoever. All that should ever matter is that they are thin. Only thin people have any value because thin people are universally good and fat people are universally bad.
Got it.
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Post by quince on Oct 28, 2015 18:45:38 GMT -5
Being morbidly obese IS OK. Not wonderful, not healthy, but OK. Just like being a person with any number of other flaws. As long as they don't include abusing or endangering someone else, a person's vices are their own business.
I'm guessing the more extreme attitudes of fat acceptance are pushback against people who think that someone being fat is a free pass to verbally abuse them.
I'm not for accommodations except for actual medical disability, and I am for courtesy- if you can't fit into a seat on a plane, buy two, and don't assume it's OK to ooze over onto someone else's seat (yuk.). This also goes for people who are too big, but not obese- yep, perfectly proportional 6 1/2 foot tall people, you too.
But whoever people are, even if they don't fit into bodily ideals, they are OK. It is OK to be them. Corporations don't advertise plus sized clothes because "Fat acceptance", they do it because Fat people exist and buy clothing. Supersizing (and large serving sizes) doesn't exist because fat people complain, they exist to sell more food.
Folks should be encouraged to embrace themselves (while still being encouraged by the appropriate people to make healthier lifestyle choices, which is usually easier if you like yourself). The appropriate people are doctors and close family members who haven't been told to back off and mind their own business.
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Post by cronewitch on Oct 28, 2015 18:49:20 GMT -5
People come in a huge variety so that should show on tv. Some families are all the same race and that is fine, also fine when they aren't. Some are leave it to Beaver small town, housewife wearing pearls and some are single mothers on welfare or foster parents or dead beat bums or the cast of Cops not all families are doctors and lawyers law abiding citizens. They should just cast and chose based on what the audience wants. Eventually maybe they will have a family like mine or not, probably never. Nobody thinks fat is good but many of us are even if we don't like it. Having the fat shammers saying we shouldn't ever been seen in public isn't any help. Not having seats on airplanes or other things to keep us home or try to get us to eat a salad doesn't help. It just makes us stay home and not want to go out at all. Seeing Mike and Molly living while fat is good to see not everyone hates them and they don't need to be thin to be allowed a life.
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Post by quince on Oct 28, 2015 18:55:47 GMT -5
I've never seen Mike and Molly, but the Wikipedia page says that the two main characters are both trying to lose weight.
So...they're fat, they're trying to lose weight, but they have a relationship and their life goes on and has a lot more going on in it than just their weight/attempts to lose it?
Awful. Clearly propaganda meant to sell doughnuts.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2015 19:05:58 GMT -5
Being morbidly obese IS OK. Not wonderful, not healthy, but OK. Just like being a person with any number of other flaws. As long as they don't include abusing or endangering someone else, a person's vices are their own business. I'm guessing the more extreme attitudes of fat acceptance are pushback against people who think that someone being fat is a free pass to verbally abuse them. I'm not for accommodations except for actual medical disability, and I am for courtesy- if you can't fit into a seat on a plane, buy two, and don't assume it's OK to ooze over onto someone else's seat (yuk.). This also goes for people who are too big, but not obese- yep, perfectly proportional 6 1/2 foot tall people, you too. But whoever people are, even if they don't fit into bodily ideals, they are OK. It is OK to be them. Corporations don't advertise plus sized clothes because "Fat acceptance", they do it because Fat people exist and buy clothing. Supersizing (and large serving sizes) doesn't exist because fat people complain, they exist to sell more food. Folks should be encouraged to embrace themselves (while still being encouraged by the appropriate people to make healthier lifestyle choices, which is usually easier if you like yourself). The appropriate people are doctors and close family members who haven't been told to back off and mind their own business. Having diabetes is OK. Going blind is OK. Having limbs amputated is OK. Being so big that your joints can no longer support you is OK. Being the first generation, ever, where your kids won't live as long as you is OK. Cardiac problems are OK. It's all OK. Embrace your adipose tissue!
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 28, 2015 19:28:00 GMT -5
As far as tv goes, I really don't care personally. I don't really watch tv much, so I don't have a dog in the fight.
In principle, I think the writers should write whoever they think would fit their imagined role best. So I don't really think you can have too much or too little diversity, just what content creators want to create. I don't like ascribing some magical "number" to something like diversity.
I will say though, I don't like it when some people want to re write already established characters as another race. Like some people arguing James Bond should be cast as a black man for the next movie.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Oct 28, 2015 19:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by quince on Oct 28, 2015 19:44:33 GMT -5
...Yup. Everyone who is morbidly obese is totally someone who has uncontrolled type 2 diabetes. These things are absolutely equivalent.
If you have diabetes, you should work to control your blood sugar. Obviously. If your health is negatively affected by your lifestyle, you should try to make changes to improve things.
There are a reasonable number of people who are fat...and that is all. My blood sugar is fine, my blood pressure is fine, and my cholesterol is fine. Of course, I'm "only" obese.
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Post by quince on Oct 28, 2015 19:49:50 GMT -5
As far as tv goes, I really don't care personally. I don't really watch tv much, so I don't have a dog in the fight. In principle, I think the writers should write whoever they think would fit their imagined role best. So I don't really think you can have too much or too little diversity, just what content creators want to create. I don't like ascribing some magical "number" to something like diversity. I will say though, I don't like it when some people want to re write already established characters as another race. Like some people arguing James Bond should be cast as a black man for the next movie. I think when it comes to diversity in media, it isn't just about roles being written for whatever race- It is about casting. Some roles are not written for ANY race (and unless there is some racial/cultural factor that is central to the character, not sure why you would have to specify race at all, other than keeping members of non-adoptive families plausible). Non-specified roles often/usually go to white people, as do 'extra' roles, and a lot of the call for diversity in media is the desire to get rid of the idea that "white" is normal/default, rather than writing race-specific roles.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2015 19:51:39 GMT -5
I'm a health care professional. When you've seen what I've seen.....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 28, 2015 19:55:07 GMT -5
I have more issues with fat acceptance on TV. From Mike and Molly, to My Big Fat Fabulous Life. to more and more ads for plus-sized clothing. Being morbidly obese is NOT ok. Just because most people have blown up to ridiculous proportions doesn't make it ok. It's unhealthy and leads to a shorter life. "Everybody's fat. Let's just give up and embrace it." So..we have to accept that someone that tapes and tucks their penis is suddenly a woman but fat people shouldn't be on tv?
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Post by quince on Oct 28, 2015 19:58:01 GMT -5
..Also...
It is OK to be morbidly obese. It is OK to be a professional football player. It is OK to be a martial artist. It is OK to be a boxer. It is OK to ride motorcycles.
Uncontrolled diabetes and the resulting issues are NOT OK. Brain damage is NOT OK. Joint injuries are NOT OK. Cardiac issues are NOT OK.
List 1: Lifestyle choices that increase risk. List 2: Potential negative outcomes of risky lifestyles.
Here's one more.
Being a person with health issues as the result of a badly manage disease, sports related injury, or dangerous hobby is OK.
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Post by quince on Oct 28, 2015 20:07:33 GMT -5
I have a (deceased) ex boyfriend who had type 1 diabetes and didn't manage it. It was a long, fucked up decline. I am aware of how bad diabetes has the potential to be.
I worked in the healthcare industry and sat through case management meetings. Non-compliance comes up a lot more frequently tied to negative outcomes than being fat.
I also have a friend who is a healthcare provider...who is also morbidly obese. She has health problems because of her weight, as well. She struggles with her weight, but it is not the only thing that is going on in her life. She has many hobbies, lots of friends, and is a fantastic person. While she has definitely seen outcomes of badly managed health issues, pretty sure she still sees herself as an OK person who is fit to be seen, heard, and represented in media, too.
It is OK to be her. She cut out red meat to help manage her cholesterol, and while she is morbidly obese, she does work to improve things. Just because her life is a work in progress rather than a joyous victory doesn't make it less than OK.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2015 20:26:37 GMT -5
What the hell are you people talking about? Did I ever say they should be seen and not heard? Did I ever say they shouldn't be out in public? Did I ever say they don't have friends or hobbies? I said it's NOT HEALTHY. It's shortening lives and killing people. Our children will die younger.
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Post by quince on Oct 28, 2015 20:28:24 GMT -5
...Shut their pie holes or eat a salad?
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2015 20:30:03 GMT -5
What's wrong with eating a salad? What's wrong with having an apple instead of shoving more pie into your face?
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2015 20:35:45 GMT -5
It looks like I've ruffled some feathers. We should all relax with a big piece of cake.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 28, 2015 20:35:23 GMT -5
And here I thought this was a discussion on race and ethnicities on television....
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 28, 2015 20:46:59 GMT -5
I,for one, LOVE that I'm seeing more racially mixed couples/families on tv and in ads. People have been swirling for centuries, it's about time the media has caught up to represent that! And it doesn't need to be part of the plot/story. It just is.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2015 20:51:47 GMT -5
And here I thought this was a discussion on race and ethnicities on television.... P.S. NO SOUP FOR YOU! I only eat soup if there's a gay commercial for it.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 28, 2015 20:52:51 GMT -5
I,for one, LOVE that I'm seeing more racially mixed couples/families on tv and in ads. People have been swirling for centuries, it's about time the media has caught up to represent that! And it doesn't need to be part of the plot/story. It just is.Unfortunately, I do not think we are there yet. Getting there, but not quite there.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 28, 2015 20:56:13 GMT -5
As far as tv goes, I really don't care personally. I don't really watch tv much, so I don't have a dog in the fight. In principle, I think the writers should write whoever they think would fit their imagined role best. So I don't really think you can have too much or too little diversity, just what content creators want to create. I don't like ascribing some magical "number" to something like diversity. I will say though, I don't like it when some people want to re write already established characters as another race. Like some people arguing James Bond should be cast as a black man for the next movie. I never read an Ian Fleming/James Bond novel or book. Did Fleming write in one of his booksJames Bond was a white man? Or do we just assume James Bond is white because white actors have always portrayed the character.
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