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Post by fishy999 on Oct 27, 2015 20:56:43 GMT -5
Never mind the outrage I have that the political dimwits have fallen in to the regular positions- but WTF- we have two arrests- one for a 16yo girl that refused to deal with the police, and another that was arrested for filming it with her phone. I did not know being disruptive in class was a criminal offense, and really how is filming a disruptive event a disruptive event? www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/south-carolina-school-arrest-video/What bothers me is that- just like always- the GOP defends police without question. The victim blaming started almost immediately. Is that the price we pay to have cops in schools just in case some maniac shows up? He was a football coach and lost it- probably some steroids in the mix. Nothing makes you more of a man than tossing teenage girls around I guess.
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Post by swamp on Oct 27, 2015 21:04:22 GMT -5
It is not illegal to film the cops, unless you are stopping them from doing their job.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 6:49:48 GMT -5
Wow, I'm amazed but shouldn't be, that anyone is defending the student. I sent my kids to learn in a safe environment. If someone chooses to not learn and make it unsafe then doesn't remove themselves when asked to, then I'm glad it was dealt with. Time and past time for this bs to stop. Your savage does not have more rights than a well behaved student. I'm amazed the school did anything at all. Usually the system is so that the inmates run the asylum.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 28, 2015 8:25:09 GMT -5
Apparently the girl had her phone on the desk in violation of the school rules, and when the teacher told her to put it up she refused. When he told her to go to the principal's office she refused. The teacher called the principal and he couldn't get her to leave, either, so they called the resource officer to remove her from the classroom.
While the girl clearly was disrupting the class and being disrespectful, the resource officer should never have grabbed her like he did. If she tried to assault him, that would be one thing, but she sat there, refusing to leave her chair, and never physically attacked him.
The school could have handled this a different way. Have the resource officer stand there watching her while the principal called her parents and told them they had to come escort their daughter home to start her two week suspension would have been fine.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 28, 2015 8:27:31 GMT -5
It is not illegal to film the cops, unless you are stopping them from doing their job. But aren't schools allowed to have their own rules? Like they can allow the cops to search your locker without a warrant, which would never happen outside of school? Maybe the school had a rule against filming other students or taking pictures with your phone while at school - I know our local high school has a rule that phones have to be in their lockers during the day. The girl who got thrown around apparently initially got in trouble by having her phone on her desk. Although I don't get how that could lead to an arrest - suspension maybe.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 8:54:47 GMT -5
I'll bet this lovely young woman has a history of being disruptive. Her parents need some serious talking to as well.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 28, 2015 9:10:13 GMT -5
Don't worry, they slowed the video down, showing the 100# punching the 200+ #weight lifting police officer, during the take down, Now it is all justified.
Boy I wonder just how bad that police officer was hurt by that punch, did he take a medical leave?
The girl of course was not injured, Nothing to see here folk, just move on.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 28, 2015 9:14:12 GMT -5
"But mooooom, why am I grounded and having my electronics taken away"
"Because you were talking in class and disrupting it for everyone for the second time this week, earning a detention. The teacher is the final authority in the classroom and they, not you, get to decide what you will do while you are in their class"
Why do I think the above conversation have never taken place in that girls' household?
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Post by The Captain on Oct 28, 2015 9:18:07 GMT -5
Don't worry, they slowed the video down, showing the 100# punching the 200+ #weight lifting police officer, during the take down, Now it is all justified. Boy I wonder just how bad that police officer was hurt by that punch, did he take a medical leave? The girl of course was not injured, Nothing to see here folk, just move on. If there is video that she did hit him it's irrelevant. Are you saying only 200# weight lifting dudes should be charged with assaulting an officer? Women and small dudes can swing with impunity? She was swearing and swinging at him!!! What does that call for in your book? Would your reaction be different if she was a 200# muscle bound linebacker? Exactly how much of this behavior are the cops supposed to tolerate?
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 28, 2015 10:04:08 GMT -5
It would have been disruptive for the teacher and other students either way, but if it were me in charge, and the student refused the officer's request to put away the phone, I would have called in a female teacher or administrator or two into the room with the student and officer.
Then I would have the teacher and rest of the class move into a vacant classroom or cafeteria to hold the class. After the class left the room, I would have had the officer and female teacher/administrator wait with the student in the now empty classroom while the parent(s) of the student were called and told to report to the school to collect their kid and issue the school suspension.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 28, 2015 10:27:41 GMT -5
If the observer's comments about the student refusing to comply with demands from the teacher, principal, and then resource officer are true, then sorry... (Thanks to mmhmm for providing the image. )
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 10:30:09 GMT -5
It would have been disruptive for the teacher and other students either way, but if it were me in charge, and the student refused the officer's request to put away the phone, I would have called in a female teacher or administrator or two into the room with the student and officer. Then I would have the teacher and rest of the class move into a vacant classroom or cafeteria to hold the class. After the class left the room, I would have had the officer and female teacher/administrator wait with the student in the now empty classroom while the parent(s) of the student were called and told to report to the school to collect their kid and issue the school suspension.
I agree completely that there was another way to handle this, but having a teacher in my family, I'd say that taking several other teachers from the classrooms, moving a whole class of students and disrupting who knows how many others for one defiant little brat isn't the answer. If I was a parent of one of the children in that school who knew how to act civilized, I'd be pissed off as all hell that she wasn't immediately removed to allow my child and others to continue with their learning. How many people do we disrupt for one little brat? Her and the officer - that's who.
I don't think that manhandling her like the officer did was right, but I wasn't there and I didn't see the "before" video and I'm guessing nobody else did either. How long did that teacher and administrators have to put the education of those other children on hold before it got to this point? My guess is a pretty long time. I'll be so very glad for the day to come when people hold others responsible for their own actions.
Your teacher gives you an appropriate direction. You refuse. Administration is called and gives appropriate direction. You refuse. The School Resource Officer is called and gives appropriate direction. You refuse. Yes.....your little defiant ass learns what "You WILL do as you are told" means. However, I do think she could have been removed without such violence and I hope that is investigated. I can't see how it was necessary to flip her desk and throw her to the floor.
And no....the other student wasn't arrested for filming. The other student was arrested for yelling and cursing at the officer which, where I live, is called Disorderly Conduct and it is a simple misdemeanor.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Oct 28, 2015 10:30:12 GMT -5
IMHO school resource officers should be not used by school districts to enforce school discipline issues. They are officers, not teachers or administration.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 28, 2015 10:35:57 GMT -5
One point: This event took place in an educational setting. What lesson did the police officer teach the students in the class on how to deal with someone who does not do what you ask them to do?
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Oct 28, 2015 10:36:50 GMT -5
One point: This event took place in an educational setting. What lesson did the police officer teach the students in the class on how to deal with someone who does not do what you ask them to do? that their bitch ass will get fucked up
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 10:41:49 GMT -5
One point: This event took place in an educational setting. What lesson did the police officer teach the students in the class on how to deal with someone who does not do what you ask them to do? Very good point. But? Had that young lady been allowed to continue with her disruptive behavior, those students in that class weren't going to learn anything at all except how to say "give me your phone" and "nope...not gonna do it". But.....who really needs math?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 28, 2015 10:43:35 GMT -5
One point: This event took place in an educational setting. What lesson did the police officer teach the students in the class on how to deal with someone who does not do what you ask them to do? that their bitch ass will get fucked up Wonder if there might be a future Ray Rice in that classroom.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Oct 28, 2015 10:43:41 GMT -5
that their bitch ass will get fucked up Wonder if there might be a future Ray Rice in that classroom. Probably at least a couple.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 28, 2015 10:56:24 GMT -5
It would have been disruptive for the teacher and other students either way, but if it were me in charge, and the student refused the officer's request to put away the phone, I would have called in a female teacher or administrator or two into the room with the student and officer. Then I would have the teacher and rest of the class move into a vacant classroom or cafeteria to hold the class. After the class left the room, I would have had the officer and female teacher/administrator wait with the student in the now empty classroom while the parent(s) of the student were called and told to report to the school to collect their kid and issue the school suspension.
I agree completely that there was another way to handle this, but having a teacher in my family, I'd say that taking several other teachers from the classrooms, moving a whole class of students and disrupting who knows how many others for one defiant little brat isn't the answer. If I was a parent of one of the children in that school who knew how to act civilized, I'd be pissed off as all hell that she wasn't immediately removed to allow my child and others to continue with their learning. How many people do we disrupt for one little brat? Her and the officer - that's who.
I don't think that manhandling her like the officer did was right, but I wasn't there and I didn't see the "before" video and I'm guessing nobody else did either. How long did that teacher and administrators have to put the education of those other children on hold before it got to this point? My guess is a pretty long time. I'll be so very glad for the day to come when people hold others responsible for their own actions.
Your teacher gives you an appropriate direction. You refuse. Administration is called and gives appropriate direction. You refuse. The School Resource Officer is called and gives appropriate direction. You refuse. Yes.....your little defiant ass learns what "You WILL do as you are told" means. However, I do think she could have been removed without such violence and I hope that is investigated. I can't see how it was necessary to flip her desk and throw her to the floor.
And no....the other student wasn't arrested for filming. The other student was arrested for yelling and cursing at the officer which, where I live, is called Disorderly Conduct and it is a simple misdemeanor.
The teacher's plan for the class was shot to hell the moment the officer entered the room and the student(s) started filming the altercation. So it really does not matter where the rest of the class was held at that point. This kid was out of control in the first place. The classroom teacher could have salvaged some of the day's teaching plan in another area. The idea is to isolate the problem, which in this case, was the student. She would no longer have an audience, which she must have enjoyed having up to the point of the physical altercation. I said female teacher/ administrator. It can be either one. And I specifically mentioned female teacher/administrators because you do not want a male officer alone in a classroom with a female student. The student could make all sorts of allegations about being left alone in an empty classroom with a male officer. No phone cameras rolling when they are alone.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 10:59:29 GMT -5
All good points. Still.....removing the offender is the least disruptive. I just don't think he had to do it that violently. Then everyone can go on with their day. You are right. It would have been disruptive no matter how it played out. And I cant even say I fault her for taking a swing at him. Had someone grabbed me like that, it would have probably been my first instinct also. The thing is, had she done as she was told in the first place after she broke a rule she KNEW she broke, none of this would have happened.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 28, 2015 11:03:01 GMT -5
All good points. Still.....removing the offender is the least disruptive. I just don't think he had to do it that violently. Then everyone can go on with their day. You are right. It would have been disruptive no matter how it played out. And I cant even say I fault her for taking a swing at him. Had someone grabbed me like that, it would have probably been my first instinct also. The thing is, had she done as she was told in the first place after she broke a rule she KNEW she broke, none of this would have happened. Of course removing the offender is the least disruptive. But in the student's mind, her ass was staying put. Hence, isolate her from the rest of the class. And yes, I don't think the officer had to be so violent. To me, it got well out of control. The officer was the one in charge and he lost control. I agree 100% with your last sentence.
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Post by sesfw on Oct 28, 2015 11:04:00 GMT -5
Another solution could have been ........ get another big person to help pick up the brat and desk ..... and physically carry the whole unit out of the building. Keep the brat on the school grounds for safety reasons.
Parents called and told to pick up their child for a suspension.
Parents need to teach their children to OBEY the laws. Maybe it will slow down some of the teen killings.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 28, 2015 11:06:14 GMT -5
Think about the design of those desks. If the occupant decides to hook themselves into it, it takes a very violent act to dislodge them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 28, 2015 11:06:00 GMT -5
Another solution could have been ........ get another big person to help pick up the brat and desk ..... and physically carry the whole unit out of the building. Keep the brat on the school grounds for safety reasons.
Parents called and told to pick up their child for a suspension.
Parents need to teach their children to OBEY the laws. Maybe it will slow down some of the teen killings.
I thought about two or more people carrying the kid and desk out of the room too. Not outdoors but maybe into the administration office or somewhere near by.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 28, 2015 11:09:39 GMT -5
When I was subbing, I had a similar experience. A defiant student disrupting the class. I asker her to leave and go to the principle's office. She refused.
I got down low (so I wasn't leaning over her and we were face to face) and I wispered, "You have two choices: you can get up and leave of your own accord or you can be physically removed IN FRONT OF YOUR FRIENDS. It's totally up to you."
She left.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 11:11:24 GMT -5
You're lucky you didn't get in trouble. Ridiculous that anyone goes into teaching anymore.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 11:12:48 GMT -5
Another solution could have been ........ get another big person to help pick up the brat and desk ..... and physically carry the whole unit out of the building. Keep the brat on the school grounds for safety reasons.
Parents called and told to pick up their child for a suspension.
Parents need to teach their children to OBEY the laws. Maybe it will slow down some of the teen killings.
I thought about two or more people carrying the kid and desk out of the room too. Not outdoors but maybe into the administration office or somewhere near by. Hurt my back over some brat? Not me.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 11:13:11 GMT -5
Think about the design of those desks. If the occupant decides to hook themselves into it, it takes a very violent act to dislodge them.
I agree. I still think it could have been done without flipping her onto the floor. My worry was a serious head injury from either hitting the floor or that wall.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 11:15:22 GMT -5
When I was subbing, I had a similar experience. A defiant student disrupting the class. I asker her to leave and go to the principle's office. She refused. I got down low (so I wasn't leaning over her and we were face to face) and I wispered, "You have two choices: you can get up and leave of your own accord or you can be physically removed IN FRONT OF YOUR FRIENDS. It's totally up to you." She left. The officer may very well have said that. We don't see or hear what led up to it. One thing I do know is that letting her sit there until SHE decided to move would have been the worst decision ever. Good for you.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 28, 2015 11:22:29 GMT -5
I thought about two or more people carrying the kid and desk out of the room too. Not outdoors but maybe into the administration office or somewhere near by. Hurt my back over some brat? Not me. I think I read this officer was over 200 lbs and big buy. Get another just like him and they could probably handle her and the desk. Of course she would have been kicking and screaming. So wheel her and the desk out of the classroom like Hannibal Lecter (not really).
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