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Post by ed1066 on Mar 15, 2011 14:45:29 GMT -5
I thought I had seen enough death and destruction to last for the rest of my life but I was wrong this disaster in Japan is far, far worse. As far as death toll goes, the 2004 quake in the Indian Ocean and the ensuing tsunami was far more destructive. The current estimate is around 10,000 dead from the Japan quake / tsunami compared to 230,000+- from the 2004 quake off the coast of Indonesia. That is indeed the current death toll, but I have a bad feeling it will go much, much higher. I think the Japanese government is being very conservative and cautious about issuing huge death tolls because of the severe impact it will have on the Japanese and world economies, not to mention the additional panic and despair it will cause their own people. It is a wise strategy, IMO, but I fear the ultimate number of dead is going to rise to a staggering level...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 15, 2011 14:47:02 GMT -5
I thought I had seen enough death and destruction to last for the rest of my life but I was wrong this disaster in Japan is far, far worse. As far as death toll goes, the 2004 quake in the Indian Ocean and the ensuing tsunami was far more destructive. The current estimate is around 10,000 dead from the Japan quake / tsunami compared to 230,000+- from the 2004 quake off the coast of Indonesia. The 2004 quake, was, I believe, about 9 or so (possibly 9.2). This one 8.9 (recently reevaluated as "9"). So the magnitude was very close. I think a large part for the reason that the death toll is so much less is that the Japanese have a much better warning system. Sirens went off, loudspeakers warned people to get to higher ground. In many cases, residents had about 30 minutes to get to higher ground. Southeast Asia victims did not get that warning. The Japanese know what tsunamis are and take them very seriously. The rest of Asia, as far as I know, have nowhere near the resources devoted to tsunami warnings and earthquake preparation.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 15, 2011 14:51:29 GMT -5
Okay, I skipped over that part because I thought it was implied, but fair enough. But the concept of Manifest Destiny was in place by the 19th century, which basically had Americans plowing westward, taking Native American land and either enslaving them or leaving them homeless. Now, I'm no math-magician, but does 1800 come before or AFTER 1776? I don't think anyone will deny that atrocities were committed against Native Americans in the name of manifest destiny, western expansion, industrialization and just general greed, but what is the point of mentioning it? This thread is about the social nature of the Japanese people and their rigid standards of politeness, honor and decorum, which is making their current situation slightly less horrific since they don't have to deal with looting, murder and other violence (as New Orleans did) while they try to recover from a crippling natural disaster... Ahhhh, yes...Manifest Destiny...It doesn't seem to matter what we talk about, if it is, or ever was a problem in our country, guess whose fingerprints are on it? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny
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Post by handyman2 on Mar 15, 2011 15:01:41 GMT -5
If you look at the Asian cultures they are much more disciplined than many other cultures. They are raised to have much more respect for their neighbors property than many cultures. They see their neighbors in just as bad a plight as they are and show respect for them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 15:07:43 GMT -5
This thread is about the social nature of the Japanese people and their rigid standards of politeness, honor and decorum, which is making their current situation slightly less horrific since they don't have to deal with looting, murder and other violence (as New Orleans did) while they try to recover from a crippling natural disaster... I get that, and I agree. I was just momentarily stunned by what appeared to be your (and others') implication that everyone who came to America before the 1900s - legally or not - was a model citizen. I agree with what others said - their strong national pride and unifying attitude is what makes the looting minimal or nonexistent. And yes, that kind of unification of course breeds prejudice and racism. But it is a worthwhile trade off?
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Post by marjar on Mar 15, 2011 15:13:59 GMT -5
If you look at the Asian cultures they are much more disciplined than many other cultures. They are raised to have much more respect for their neighbors property than many cultures. They see their neighbors in just as bad a plight as they are and show respect for them. I've been pondering that myself. Daughter seriously dated an immigrant from China and respect was a very important ideal for him. Delightful young man.
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Post by marjar on Mar 15, 2011 15:35:17 GMT -5
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Post by ungenteel on Mar 15, 2011 20:28:59 GMT -5
<<Serious Question: Why No Looting In Japan?>>
Kinda makes you wonder why we herded them into concentration camps in '42
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