What a Big Baby!

[weltschmerz]

Doesn't the bible say to be good stewards of the earth?

WASHINGTON — A Republican lawmaker said he will boycott Pope Francis’ speech to Congress next week because of the possibility the pontiff will discuss his support for policies to fight climate change.

Three-term Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona said that as a Catholic, he initially was excited to learn of the pope’s visit to Washington and his address to Congress. But Gosar said he decided not to attend after he read media reports that the pope plans to devote much of the speech to advocating for what Gosar calls “flawed climate change policies.”

www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2015/09/18/paul-gosar-boycotting-pope-francis-speech/72402396/

[djAdvocate]

i see.  so everybody is supposed to listen to his bullshit, but he doesn't have to listen to anyone else's?

got it.

[Deleted]

someone doesn't want to listen to a speech on a subject he disagrees with.  If the pope were  talking about birth control I suspect many feminists would not want to hear what he had to say on that.

[thyme4change]

Sept 24, 2015 17:42:11 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Doesn't the bible say to be good stewards of the earth?

WASHINGTON — A Republican lawmaker said he will boycott Pope Francis’ speech to Congress next week because of the possibility the pontiff will discuss his support for policies to fight climate change.

Three-term Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona said that as a Catholic, he initially was excited to learn of the pope’s visit to Washington and his address to Congress. But Gosar said he decided not to attend after he read media reports that the pope plans to devote much of the speech to advocating for what Gosar calls “flawed climate change policies.”

www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2015/09/18/paul-gosar-boycotting-pope-francis-speech/72402396/

Another black mark on the resume of Arizona.  

I heard he wasn't going, and assumed it was because this pope is kind of a nightmare for hard-core conservatives.  Pardoning women who have had abortions, welcoming gays back to the church without judgement, etc.  I could see someone publicly skipping seeing the pope so his constituents would take pride in his stand against the gays and the baby killers.  Now - finding out it was because of climate changes - boo.  

On a related note, I tried to listen to the pope's speech this morning, and between his accent and how slowly he spoke, I just couldn't make it through.  His voice was very soothing, but I only heard "blah blah children.  blah blah golden rule."  I couldn't follow what he was saying.  If I had been in a cushy chair and not able to get up and walk around - I would have fallen asleep.  Maybe bonehead Goser thought he would fall asleep and embarrass himself.  

[djAdvocate]

Sept 24, 2015 19:36:20 GMT -5 @hickle said:

someone doesn't want to listen to a speech on a subject he disagrees with.  If the pope were  talking about birth control I suspect many feminists would not want to hear what he had to say on that.

why not?  i do it all the time.  i call it earning my perspective, challenging my viewpoint, and learning.

oh wait, you are a conservative, right?  never mind. 

[ArchietheDragon]

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Sept 24, 2015 19:53:36 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Here's a picture of a really hot woman wearing nothing but a diaper.

[dondub]

If the pope were talking about birth control I suspect many feminists would not want to hear what he had to say on that.



I doubt any feminists give a shit what the Pope thinks about birth control. But would they deliberately not listen? Why? Feminists are already light years ahead of the Catholic Church on birth control.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 24, 2015 19:36:20 GMT -5 @hickle said:

someone doesn't want to listen to a speech on a subject he disagrees with.  If the pope were  talking about birth control I suspect many feminists would not want to hear what he had to say on that.

I suspect many of the Pope's own flock (American Roman Catholics) probably would not want to hear what he had to say on birth control too, or at least politely listen to him and then continue to use artificial birth control.

From a September 8-15, 2015 ​CBS News/NYT poll:

"But when it comes to changing Church doctrine, Catholic Americans would go further. Seventy-three percent of Catholics favor allowing the use of artificial methods of birth control,..."

CBS News/NYT poll: Majority of U.S. Catholics positive about Church

And from a 2012 Gallup poll survey:



Birth Control Morally Acceptable To Catholics, Most Americans

[weltschmerz]

I suspect many of the Pope's own flock (American Roman Catholics) probably would not want to hear what he had to say on birth control too, or at least politely listen to him and then continue to use artificial birth control.

From a September 8-15, 2015 ​CBS News/NYT poll:

"But when it comes to changing Church doctrine, Catholic Americans would go further. Seventy-three percent of Catholics favor allowing the use of artificial methods of birth control,..."

...and 98% of Catholic women use it.

Now, I'm no mathematician, but something isn't adding up.

[Phoenix84]

Sept 24, 2015 19:36:20 GMT -5 @hickle said:

someone doesn't want to listen to a speech on a subject he disagrees with.  If the pope were  talking about birth control I suspect many feminists would not want to hear what he had to say on that.

Yep, many democrats boycotted the Israli prime ministers speech. It's just the way it is.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 25, 2015 7:30:37 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Sept 24, 2015 19:36:20 GMT -5 @hickle said:

someone doesn't want to listen to a speech on a subject he disagrees with.  If the pope were  talking about birth control I suspect many feminists would not want to hear what he had to say on that.

Yep, many democrats boycotted the Israli prime ministers speech. It's just the way it is.

The sole purpose of John Boehner invited Netanyahu to speak to congress was an attempt to derail the Iran nuclear deal talks between China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States, and Germany with Iran.

John Boehner also invited Pope Francis on March 13, 2014 to speak to a joint session of congress. The sole purpose of the Pope's speech to congress was not about climate change. Among the issues the pope spoke about was the sanctity of life (abortion), immigration, religious liberty, the family, poverty, hunger, abolition of the death penalty, the arms trade.

Surely Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona could find some common ground with the pope on those issues. Maybe Gosar does not support any of those issues.

[thyme4change]

As a leader of our country if he can't even listen to other's opinions, I know he is not open to discussing anything.  I hate executives like that, and I watch them fail over and over.  That is what is really wrong with our country.  

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 24, 2015 17:42:11 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Doesn't the bible say to be good stewards of the earth?

WASHINGTON — A Republican lawmaker said he will boycott Pope Francis’ speech to Congress next week because of the possibility the pontiff will discuss his support for policies to fight climate change.

Three-term Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona said that as a Catholic, he initially was excited to learn of the pope’s visit to Washington and his address to Congress. But Gosar said he decided not to attend after he read media reports that the pope plans to devote much of the speech to advocating for what Gosar calls “flawed climate change policies.”

www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2015/09/18/paul-gosar-boycotting-pope-francis-speech/72402396/

The Bible says thou shalt not bear false witness. Man-made climate change is a hoax. Inspiring people to drive one of the most dangerous and least reliable cars ever made is wrong, too.

[garion2003]

Sept 24, 2015 17:42:11 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Doesn't the bible say to be good stewards of the earth?

WASHINGTON — A Republican lawmaker said he will boycott Pope Francis’ speech to Congress next week because of the possibility the pontiff will discuss his support for policies to fight climate change.

Three-term Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona said that as a Catholic, he initially was excited to learn of the pope’s visit to Washington and his address to Congress. But Gosar said he decided not to attend after he read media reports that the pope plans to devote much of the speech to advocating for what Gosar calls “flawed climate change policies.”

www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2015/09/18/paul-gosar-boycotting-pope-francis-speech/72402396/

The Bible says a lot of things that people ignore when it doesn't conform to their preexisting notions or personal beliefs

[Wisconsin Beth]

www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/09/gop_s_catholic_presidential_candidates_10_excuses_they_use_to_ignore_pope.html

I admit, I haven't been even trying to listen to the Pope's speeches.  I don't know that I will go back and try either.  And that's on me, as a Catholic and as an adult.  But it's also not like the Pope has been invited to my workplace to give a speech either.  If that was the case, I'd be there. 

[thyme4change]

The Bible says a lot of things that people ignore when it doesn't conform to their preexisting notions or personal beliefs

Like stoning adulterers or wearing two different fabrics at the same time or trimming your beard?


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[Politically_Incorrect12]

Sept 24, 2015 19:36:20 GMT -5 @hickle said:

someone doesn't want to listen to a speech on a subject he disagrees with.  If the pope were  talking about birth control I suspect many feminists would not want to hear what he had to say on that.

Or gay marriage, or a variety of other issues I'm sure.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

 The Patron Saint of the Left

Why Pope Francis isn’t the liberal rock star American Catholics think he is.

Pope Francis is coming to the United States, and liberal Catholics are thrilled. Vice President Joe Biden is praising the pope’s moral leadership. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, a leading abortion rights advocate, has sent the pope a list of topics to address. For many Catholics, the euphoria extends to family and sexual issues on which Francis has signaled new tolerance. A majority of American Catholics, according to a Pew survey, predicts that within the next 35 years, the church will approve contraception and married priests. Thirty-six percent expect the church to recognize same-sex marriages.

Some of these people think the pope shares their respect for moral diversity and individual rights. Nancy Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, claims that Francis disagrees with opponents of same-sex marriage and that he believes the church “should not interfere spiritually in the lives of gays.” Bill de Blasio, the Catholic mayor of New York, says his fondness for the church has been rekindled by Francis’ outreach, particularly a “seismic moment” two years ago, in which the pope, responding to a question about gay Catholics, asked: “Who am I to judge?”

These liberals misunderstand the pope, because they don’t understand a tension in their own thinking. Politically, Francis isn’t liberal. He’s progressive. We use these terms interchangeably, but they’re different. Liberalism is fundamentally about doubt: You have your view, I have mine, and we agree to disagree. Progressivism is about confidence: Your view is wrong, mine is right, and I’m going to change the world accordingly. Francis is confident, and he’s not afraid to use political power to achieve his aims. As he puts it, “A good Catholic meddles in politics.”

Temperamentally, Francis does have liberal tendencies. He regrets the authoritarian way he governed as a young Jesuit leader. He wants to be open and collegial. He accepts criticism, seeks dialogue, and tries to learn from it. When Catholics disagree, he tries to focus them on respect, love, and mercy.

But if you look at his record, you’ll see limits to his openness. Take homosexuality. The quote that endeared Francis to liberals was: “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Francis later explained his question this way: “When God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person? We must always consider the person.” The key word here is existence. Francis was forswearing condemnation of the whole person, not judgment of homosexual behavior. He was repackaging what conservative Christians have always said: love the sinner, not the sin.

Read more at:  www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/09/pope_francis_in_the_united_states_why_he_isn_t_the_liberal_rock_star_american.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_ru

[The Captain]

Sept 24, 2015 22:27:59 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I suspect many of the Pope's own flock (American Roman Catholics) probably would not want to hear what he had to say on birth control too, or at least politely listen to him and then continue to use artificial birth control.

From a September 8-15, 2015 ​CBS News/NYT poll:

"But when it comes to changing Church doctrine, Catholic Americans would go further. Seventy-three percent of Catholics favor allowing the use of artificial methods of birth control,..."

...and 98% of Catholic women use it.

Now, I'm no mathematician, but something isn't adding up.

Do you have a source for that statistic?  Just curious.

[weltschmerz]

Sept 28, 2015 16:41:55 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Sept 24, 2015 22:27:59 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

...and 98% of Catholic women use it.

Now, I'm no mathematician, but something isn't adding up.

Do you have a source for that statistic?  Just curious.

It's like you don't even know me.

www.guttmacher.org/media/inthenews/2012/02/15/

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I was reading a novel my Kurt Vonnegut today and he used the word "weltschmerz".  Only time I have ever seen the word except here.

[The Captain]

Sept 28, 2015 16:50:50 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Sept 28, 2015 16:41:55 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Do you have a source for that statistic?  Just curious.

It's like you don't even know me.

www.guttmacher.org/media/inthenews/2012/02/15/

Actually I do, which is why I'm not surprised you used a flawed study by a biased group to try to make an entirely unrelated study appear to make a certain segment of the population you apparently despise appear to by hypocrites...

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-98-percent-of-catholic-women-use-contraception-a-media-foul/2012/02/16/gIQAkPeqIR_blog.html

Even if the study you cited was not flawed, to compared two results you have to make sure the studies were performed under similar conditions.  As a person of science I would expect you to know this.

Sorry I was wrong...