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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 22, 2015 22:17:05 GMT -5
SCP, I do not know anyone who has used AAA as a travel agent. Apparently they make some money that way, but if you want to see them mainly as a travel agent, you are entitled to your opinion.
Maybe the travel agent stuff is big by you? I don't see them that way. That's how they see themselves.
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 23, 2015 2:49:40 GMT -5
Even *IF* ACA was causing rural and community service providers and hospitals to go out of business [patently FALSE in the rural areas of my county and my state, access has never been better and my County DMH and DHS have the stats to prove it] then heck, why don't we have a little fun and just go ahead and shut down PP and make it *EVEN HARDER* for poor and low-income women to access family planning? Then we can all come back here and pass judgement on them for being poor and not having enough "motivation" to hurdle the high barriers we don't think exist, or those we offhandedly dismiss as laziness or "lack of morals." Sound like fun?
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2015 8:57:24 GMT -5
I'm sick of the push to shutdown Planned Parenthood. I'm even sick of the push to make the abortion deadline lower. There are more birth control methods than the pill and its good to have a place for many women to go to find this out.
The support for the disabled and those with significant medical needs is already overloaded. Funding is not increasing. When I see right wing conservatives actually support and campaign for funding for all these extra people they want brought into the world, then I will believe they actually belief life is precious.
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2015 9:12:21 GMT -5
SCP, I do not know anyone who has used AAA as a travel agent. Apparently they make some money that way, but if you want to see them mainly as a travel agent, you are entitled to your opinion.
Maybe the travel agent stuff is big by you? I don't see them that way. That's how they see themselves. Got it. Given when I Google AAA I get something that says the largest 'Insurance and Travel' ... for the main umbrella website, I feel we have different definitions of false front in this specific instance.
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Post by dondub on Sept 23, 2015 9:50:39 GMT -5
I can't believe you are going on about Paul instead of replying about the subject.
Wouldn't quite call that "going on about Paul", not quite like your rants about the SCOTUS and your feeling you are superior to them. Simply a rebuttal of a poster that made an erroneous claim with some sarcasm added in as it's not the first time.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 23, 2015 10:38:10 GMT -5
Even *IF* ACA was causing rural and community service providers and hospitals to go out of business [patently FALSE in the rural areas of my county and my state, access has never been better and my County DMH and DHS have the stats to prove it] then heck, why don't we have a little fun and just go ahead and shut down PP and make it *EVEN HARDER* for poor and low-income women to access family planning? Then we can all come back here and pass judgement on them for being poor and not having enough "motivation" to hurdle the high barriers we don't think exist, or those we offhandedly dismiss as laziness or "lack of morals." Sound like fun? When you say something is "patently FALSE" you are giving people the impression that the claim is not true. What is patently FALSE is your statement: www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/12/rural-hospital-closings-federal-reimbursement-medicaid-aca/18532471/
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 23, 2015 10:39:51 GMT -5
There are approximately 100 million able bodied people not working in the United States right now, so yeah- I'd say that given that all of these people are clearly eating and sleeping indoors- some folks in America are lazy as fuck.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2015 11:18:48 GMT -5
There are approximately 100 million able bodied people not working in the United States right now including Mitt Romney.
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 23, 2015 12:21:45 GMT -5
Even *IF* ACA was causing rural and community service providers and hospitals to go out of business [patently FALSE in the rural areas of my county and my state, access has never been better and my County DMH and DHS have the stats to prove it] then heck, why don't we have a little fun and just go ahead and shut down PP and make it *EVEN HARDER* for poor and low-income women to access family planning? Then we can all come back here and pass judgement on them for being poor and not having enough "motivation" to hurdle the high barriers we don't think exist, or those we offhandedly dismiss as laziness or "lack of morals." Sound like fun? When you say something is "patently FALSE" you are giving people the impression that the claim is not true. What is patently FALSE is your statement: www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/12/rural-hospital-closings-federal-reimbursement-medicaid-aca/18532471/Yeah, well there are more people in the COUNTY of La La Land than there are in the entire STATE of Georgia - so my "sample" is just as valid as yours.
If medical care in Georgia is collapsing, all the more reason why shutting PP is bad business for the poor folks you love to hate.
But whatever - - dueling links is not my idea of a good time. Good day to you.
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Post by dondub on Sept 23, 2015 12:32:32 GMT -5
There are approximately 100 million able bodied people not working in the United States right now, so yeah- I'd say that given that all of these people are clearly eating and sleeping indoors- some folks in America are lazy as fuck.
According to 2014 stats, there are 245 million Americans age 18 and over. Even without counting stay at home moms/dads, students, physically and mentally disabled, that would put the Paul UE rate at 40.8%.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 23, 2015 12:45:42 GMT -5
There are approximately 100 million able bodied people not working in the United States right now, so yeah- I'd say that given that all of these people are clearly eating and sleeping indoors- some folks in America are lazy as fuck. Please back up the statistic with links to fact, paul. All unemployed people do not eat and sleep indoors. Ask any city trying to deal with its homeless. Some of those people may be able-bodied but not able-minded. Some are seeking work but have been unable to find it yet. Some may, indeed, be lazy. If you're going to throw this sort of stuff at the fan you'll need to provide facts to back it up.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 23, 2015 13:06:30 GMT -5
I just can't believe Paul posted something that was 180 degrees from the truth. I can't believe you are going on about Paul instead of replying about the subject. Fun fact about Paul: if you can show me I'm wrong, I'll correct my posts. That cannot be said for the liberals on this board. I've been showing them they're wrong since 2001 on the other board, and yet here we are today and they're still liberals.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 23, 2015 13:07:24 GMT -5
Yeah, well there are more people in the COUNTY of La La Land than there are in the entire STATE of Georgia - so my "sample" is just as valid as yours.
If medical care in Georgia is collapsing, all the more reason why shutting PP is bad business for the poor folks you love to hate.
But whatever - - dueling links is not my idea of a good time. I guess you have a point. Good day to you.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2015 13:08:03 GMT -5
I can't believe you are going on about Paul instead of replying about the subject. Fun fact about Paul: if you can show me I'm wrong, I'll correct my posts. That cannot be said for the liberals on this board. I've been showing them they're wrong since 2001 on the other board, and yet here we are today and they're still liberals. i correct myself regularly. so the question is: will you correct the error you just made?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 23, 2015 13:10:36 GMT -5
There are approximately 100 million able bodied people not working in the United States right now, so yeah- I'd say that given that all of these people are clearly eating and sleeping indoors- some folks in America are lazy as fuck. According to 2014 stats, there are 245 million Americans age 18 and over. Even without counting stay at home moms/dads, students, physically and mentally disabled, that would put the Paul UE rate at 40.8%. Holy shit! You CAN do math- sort of. You're a little low, but that's actually about right. www.inquisitr.com/2218523/david-stockman-says-unemployment-is-really-42-9-percent/
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Post by midjd on Sept 23, 2015 13:22:43 GMT -5
I can't believe you are going on about Paul instead of replying about the subject. Fun fact about Paul: if you can show me I'm wrong, I'll correct my posts. That cannot be said for the liberals on this board. I've been showing them they're wrong since 2001 on the other board, and yet here we are today and they're still liberals. So you're free to toss out whatever manufactured data/"fact" you want and it's on the rest of us to correct you?
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2015 13:37:12 GMT -5
Stockman cites the number of 210 million adult Americans, who if they worked 2,000 hours per year, or about 40 hours per week, would deliver 420 million labor hours per year. When compared to the 240 million labor hours per year reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the total workforce of the country is delivering 57.1 percent of those 420 million labor hours, and otherwise stated, 42.9 percent of those hours are not being delivered. Therefore, the calculation of unemployment by this measure is 42.9 percent.
Or some people are bad with statistics and math. Correlation does not equal causation. Just because someone thinks there are all these missing labor hours does not mean they are exclusively spread over people who do not work at all. Or that it is an accurate way to look at it at all.
I wonder if that 4 hour work week guy is aware someone might consider him fully unemployed.
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Post by midjd on Sept 23, 2015 13:39:01 GMT -5
I went to law school so I wouldn't have to do math, but isn't 210 million x 2,000 hours per year = 420 billion? Not million. That changes things a bit. Or should I say "Holy shit, you can't do math"?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 23, 2015 13:38:44 GMT -5
There are approximately 100 million able bodied people not working in the United States right now including Mitt Romney. I didn't say it was ALL bad.
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2015 13:41:35 GMT -5
Fun fact about Paul: if you can show me I'm wrong, I'll correct my posts. That cannot be said for the liberals on this board. I've been showing them they're wrong since 2001 on the other board, and yet here we are today and they're still liberals. So you're free to toss out whatever manufactured data/"fact" you want and it's on the rest of us to correct you? Generally. And the bad thing is I think this is at least the second time I've seen him post that. Frankly 42.9% UE is even dumber than the official number. We know the official number is low, but only special reasoning skills assumes employment is 40 hours a week or nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 13:53:01 GMT -5
Even *IF* ACA was causing rural and community service providers and hospitals to go out of business [patently FALSE in the rural areas of my county and my state, access has never been better and my County DMH and DHS have the stats to prove it] then heck, why don't we have a little fun and just go ahead and shut down PP and make it *EVEN HARDER* for poor and low-income women to access family planning? Then we can all come back here and pass judgement on them for being poor and not having enough "motivation" to hurdle the high barriers we don't think exist, or those we offhandedly dismiss as laziness or "lack of morals." Sound like fun? When you say something is "patently FALSE" you are giving people the impression that the claim is not true. What is patently FALSE is your statement: www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/12/rural-hospital-closings-federal-reimbursement-medicaid-aca/18532471/Our local regional hospital has went from about 1500 medical employees to under 1000 since the inception of the ACA. This is due to delayed and reduced payments for services rendered even while the population in the area has increased. Last winter during the flu season one day they had 140 seriously ill patients waiting in beds in the hallways because they couldn't care for them due to reduced service capability. Welcome to 3rd world care right here in the United States.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2015 14:13:21 GMT -5
Our local regional hospital has went from about 1500 medical employees to under 1000 since the inception of the ACA. This is due to delayed and reduced payments for services rendered even while the population in the area has increased. Last winter during the flu season one day they had 140 seriously ill patients waiting in beds in the hallways because they couldn't care for them due to reduced service capability. Welcome to 3rd world care right here in the United States. for the amount of money we spend on patient care, we could easily handle everyone in the US. hopefully that problem will get fixed.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 23, 2015 15:03:50 GMT -5
Our local regional hospital has went from about 1500 medical employees to under 1000 since the inception of the ACA. This is due to delayed and reduced payments for services rendered even while the population in the area has increased. Last winter during the flu season one day they had 140 seriously ill patients waiting in beds in the hallways because they couldn't care for them due to reduced service capability. Welcome to 3rd world care right here in the United States. for the amount of money we spend on patient care, we could easily handle everyone in the US. hopefully that problem will get fixed. Nothing is going to get fixed. Government is a disease masquerading as the cure.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 23, 2015 15:05:28 GMT -5
Fun fact about Paul: if you can show me I'm wrong, I'll correct my posts. That cannot be said for the liberals on this board. I've been showing them they're wrong since 2001 on the other board, and yet here we are today and they're still liberals. So you're free to toss out whatever manufactured data/"fact" you want and it's on the rest of us to correct you? Until we get some islamist President, we're all free to be right. Or wrong. I just wish more people were right. Like me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2015 15:10:39 GMT -5
for the amount of money we spend on patient care, we could easily handle everyone in the US. hopefully that problem will get fixed. Nothing is going to get fixed. Government is a disease masquerading as the cure. i never said government. my argument was entirely monetary.
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Post by dondub on Sept 23, 2015 15:24:58 GMT -5
Holy shit! You CAN do math- sort of. Sort of? 100 million divided by 245 million is 40.8% That's one of the nice things about math....there is no "sort of". Now, back to your 100 million lazy fucks that are "not working". Whatever you say, you're always right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 16:07:08 GMT -5
Fun fact about Paul: if you can show me I'm wrong, I'll correct my posts. That cannot be said for the liberals on this board. I've been showing them they're wrong since 2001 on the other board, and yet here we are today and they're still liberals. So you're free to toss out whatever manufactured data/"fact" you want and it's on the rest of us to correct you? Yes it is on you to correct it, either that or ignore it. TD2K had it right with "debate the post not the poster" . People who disagree should do so with facts not ad hominem. There are posters whose, it seems to me, replies to Paul are 95% about him or his source and hardly ever about facts. That is just as lazy as Paul not fact checking himself. If neither party bothers with facts, neither get to claim the high ground. My opinion for what its worth.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 23, 2015 16:12:33 GMT -5
Fun fact about Paul: if you can show me I'm wrong, I'll correct my posts. That cannot be said for the liberals on this board. I've been showing them they're wrong since 2001 on the other board, and yet here we are today and they're still liberals. So you're free to toss out whatever manufactured data/"fact" you want and it's on the rest of us to correct you? In the interest of intellectual honesty, it's up to the poster who posts something represented as fact to provide links to proof of said fact. After years and years on message boards, however, I've learned there are a lot of people out there who have absolutely no interest in intellectual honesty. Those who are interested learn quickly to ignore the "facts" offered by such people. Fortunately, they're not the majority.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 17:00:31 GMT -5
I went to law school so I wouldn't have to do math, but isn't 210 million x 2,000 hours per year = 420 billion? Not million. That changes things a bit. Or should I say "Holy shit, you can't do math"? Does it change the math? If the 420m should be 420b, then most likely the 240m should be 240b. Or is that wrong? Was it just getting million and billion wrong?
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Post by Angel! on Sept 23, 2015 17:07:41 GMT -5
There are approximately 100 million able bodied people not working in the United States right now, so yeah- I'd say that given that all of these people are clearly eating and sleeping indoors- some folks in America are lazy as fuck. According to 2014 stats, there are 245 million Americans age 18 and over. Even without counting stay at home moms/dads, students, physically and mentally disabled, that would put the Paul UE rate at 40.8%. Holy shit! You CAN do math- sort of. You're a little low, but that's actually about right. www.inquisitr.com/2218523/david-stockman-says-unemployment-is-really-42-9-percent/So we using the term unemployed to mean anyone between 18-68 who happens to not have a full time job. How is this a meaningful statistic at all? We are including retirees, stay at home moms, students, disabled, and entrepreneurs who opt for the 4 hours work week. What is the point of this statistic when it includes a huge group that has no interest in a full time job? How is this data point relevant? ETA - I'm serious though. I don't understand why you would throw out this statistic as meaningful when you seem to believe full time employment for the man is for losers.
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