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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 22, 2015 10:51:46 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 22, 2015 10:59:23 GMT -5
You are absolutely right about the first two.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 22, 2015 11:24:46 GMT -5
I showed this to a coworker. He didn't believe we were not for profit the other day. He was pretty surprised when I can now prove it.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 22, 2015 11:25:01 GMT -5
The US tax code is a mess.
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Post by Opti on Sept 22, 2015 11:26:33 GMT -5
For it to be a false front though, shouldn't they be engaged in something else than what they are advertising? I'd be surprised if the NJ AAA made all that much from travel, so I did a quick web search. Appears they are loosely associated, but according to the annual report from the California/Nevada one - travel service revenue is less than 10% of membership dues.
calstate.aaa.com/sites/default/files/AAANorthernCaliforniaNevadaUtah-FinancialStatements-2014.pdf
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I didn't not know that insurance is probably the biggest revenue producer, but kind of meh on this as a huge revelation. AARP I thought was pretty well known as described.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 22, 2015 12:02:46 GMT -5
For it to be a false front though, shouldn't they be engaged in something else than what they are advertising? I'd be surprised if the NJ AAA made all that much from travel, so I did a quick web search. Appears they are loosely associated, but according to the annual report from the California/Nevada one - travel service revenue is less than 10% of membership dues.
calstate.aaa.com/sites/default/files/AAANorthernCaliforniaNevadaUtah-FinancialStatements-2014.pdf
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I didn't not know that insurance is probably the biggest revenue producer, but kind of meh on this as a huge revelation. AARP I thought was pretty well known as described. They are. AAA is the American Automobile Association, they bill their main product as "roadside assistance" and towing and what not-- they are really a Travel Agent with a market that has self-selected, and volunteered themselves to be a captive audience for their services in exchange for help with a flat tire, and/or a jump start. By the way- Goodwill Industries is FOR profit. They get their inventory free from you and I, we get a tax break, and they get a taxpayer subsidized workforce on top of it because they hire the specially abled or whatever we call people with disabilities these days. Great work- ain't pickin' on them, but most people don't know this. ArchietheDragon is right- the tax code is a mess.
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Post by Opti on Sept 22, 2015 12:12:16 GMT -5
SCP, I do not know anyone who has used AAA as a travel agent. Apparently they make some money that way, but if you want to see them mainly as a travel agent, you are entitled to your opinion.
Maybe the travel agent stuff is big by you?
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Post by bean29 on Sept 22, 2015 12:14:08 GMT -5
This is interesting. Even if I didn't get a tax write off, I think I would still donate to them. I really like that I can drive up at my convenience and offload the stuff I no longer want or need - and it is going to a good cause (employing people with special needs, giving employment to people that need a second chance etc.). But how do they get to be for profit and we get a tax break for donating to them? Does anyone know?
Planned Parenthood I respectfully disagree. Their main purpose is family planning. If you use birth control faithfully, the unplanned children who may be given up for adoption or aborted are a miniscule fraction of something less than 1%. Many of the same people who want to eliminate abortion in this country also want to limit or eliminate access to family planning.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 22, 2015 12:25:43 GMT -5
For it to be a false front though, shouldn't they be engaged in something else than what they are advertising? I'd be surprised if the NJ AAA made all that much from travel, so I did a quick web search. Appears they are loosely associated, but according to the annual report from the California/Nevada one - travel service revenue is less than 10% of membership dues.
calstate.aaa.com/sites/default/files/AAANorthernCaliforniaNevadaUtah-FinancialStatements-2014.pdf
Page 6
I didn't not know that insurance is probably the biggest revenue producer, but kind of meh on this as a huge revelation. AARP I thought was pretty well known as described. They are. AAA is the American Automobile Association, they bill their main product as "roadside assistance" and towing and what not-- they are really a Travel Agent with a market that has self-selected, and volunteered themselves to be a captive audience for their services in exchange for help with a flat tire, and/or a jump start. By the way- Goodwill Industries is FOR profit. They get their inventory free from you and I, we get a tax break, and they get a taxpayer subsidized workforce on top of it because they hire the specially abled or whatever we call people with disabilities these days. Great work- ain't pickin' on them, but most people don't know this. ArchietheDragon is right- the tax code is a mess. Paul - please cite your source for this. I know a thing or two about the tax code and for profit entities are not permitted to issue donation receipts. Here's my source: www.goodwill.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GII-2012-990.pdf
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2015 12:30:12 GMT -5
SCP, I do not know anyone who has used AAA as a travel agent. Apparently they make some money that way, but if you want to see them mainly as a travel agent, you are entitled to your opinion.
Maybe the travel agent stuff is big by you? i use them for maps, but mostly for insurance. their homeowners insurance was HALF of what other carriers wanted. we also use them for auto at work, and again, they are about 20% cheaper than other carriers.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 22, 2015 12:35:13 GMT -5
From Wikipedia
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Post by dondub on Sept 22, 2015 12:43:30 GMT -5
I just can't believe Paul posted something that was 180 degrees from the truth.
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Post by dondub on Sept 22, 2015 12:47:39 GMT -5
Go ahead and freeze Planned parenthood funding. Go right ahead and try to do away with PP altogether. Make sure you let the world know this is a pro-life #1 goal. Then sit back and watch all the unwanted pregnancies drain the public coffers and be sure to count up all the abortions that happened because of lack of family planning and birth control assistance/access.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 22, 2015 13:23:05 GMT -5
Before we get all hysterical about lack of family planning, need I remind everyone that there are no less than 12 generic prescriptions for BC available at Walmart for less than $10 a month.
You are far more likely to be able to find a walmart in a poor part of town than a Planned Parenthood facility. But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 22, 2015 13:24:54 GMT -5
Before we get all hysterical about lack of family planning, need I remind everyone that there are no less than 12 generic prescriptions for BC available at Walmart for less than $10 a month.You are far more likely to be able to find a walmart in a poor part of town than a Planned Parenthood facility. But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant. With all due respect . . . . which will do you absolutely NO good if you can't afford the cost of the doctor's office visit to obtain a prescription .
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Post by The Captain on Sept 22, 2015 13:33:23 GMT -5
Before we get all hysterical about lack of family planning, need I remind everyone that there are no less than 12 generic prescriptions for BC available at Walmart for less than $10 a month.You are far more likely to be able to find a walmart in a poor part of town than a Planned Parenthood facility. But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant. With all due respect . . . . which will do you absolutely NO good if you can't afford the cost of the doctor's office visit to obtain a prescription . If someone is poor they will be on Medicaid or one of the Federal health exchanges, correct? That covers doctor's visits and prescriptions. Isn't that what the whole ACA thing was about?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 22, 2015 13:38:29 GMT -5
Before we get all hysterical about lack of family planning, need I remind everyone that there are no less than 12 generic prescriptions for BC available at Walmart for less than $10 a month.You are far more likely to be able to find a walmart in a poor part of town than a Planned Parenthood facility. But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant. With all due respect . . . . which will do you absolutely NO good if you can't afford the cost of the doctor's office visit to obtain a prescription . There are PLENTY of ethical alternatives for the needy that include free doctors visits and free family planning options. In fact, Planned Parenthood operates exactly zero (0) licensed facilities that provide breast cancer and cervical cancer screenings. As National Review reported, "The Obama HHS apparently needs to be reminded of its own review exposing the mammography deception."
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 22, 2015 13:41:29 GMT -5
OK, this is to correct my reply#5. I apparently confused something I had heard about Goodwill Industries, and it is NOT a for profit operation.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 22, 2015 13:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 14:17:59 GMT -5
So on one hand people bitch that providers don't take Medicaid... Then in the other say if PP goes away there will be plenty of providers... Which is it?
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Post by bean29 on Sept 22, 2015 14:45:08 GMT -5
Yeah, looks like Oped's post has a typo in it, but I was pretty much thinking along like lines.
I have a niece who is 18. When she was about 16 my SIL's took her to PP to get Birth Control. As soon as she was 18 her Dad dropped her from his health insurance and then she was detained on a suicide watch shortly thereafter for a week or so. She has a huge medical bill in delinquency.
So, they say doctors lose $$ on medicare patients. So who serves this population? BC may not be expensive, but you need an annual and a periodic pap smear to keep up your BC prescription.
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Post by dondub on Sept 22, 2015 14:51:59 GMT -5
Before we get all hysterical about lack of family planning, need I remind everyone that there are no less than 12 generic prescriptions for BC available at Walmart for less than $10 a month.
You are far more likely to be able to find a walmart in a poor part of town than a Planned Parenthood facility. But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
No one was being hysterical and sarcasm can or cannot be considered a rant. Be my guest. As for the availability of BC and the poor's access to the ACA etc. There are still millions of poor Americans with no health insurance even with Medicaid and the ACA. I won't let that fact get in the way of your next rant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 15:47:24 GMT -5
I just can't believe Paul posted something that was 180 degrees from the truth. I can't believe you are going on about Paul instead of replying about the subject.
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Post by bean29 on Sept 22, 2015 16:59:39 GMT -5
So what if the "poor" have ins, but have a deductible? I have a friend that works at a local HS, she says she can't afford to go to Dr b/c she has a high deductible to meet before her ins. Kicks in. Then there is accessibility which would include are they open when you can get there and have child care and time off from work w/o risk of losing $$ from paycheck or losing your job itself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 17:23:02 GMT -5
I just can't believe Paul posted something that was 180 degrees from the truth. I can't believe you are going on about Paul instead of replying about the subject. We are talented people. We can do both...
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Sept 22, 2015 17:57:38 GMT -5
Maybe CSAA is extra expensive, but I pay a lot more than $50 a year for membership.
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 22, 2015 19:02:38 GMT -5
So what if the "poor" have ins, but have a deductible? I have a friend that works at a local HS, she says she can't afford to go to Dr b/c she has a high deductible to meet before her ins. Kicks in. Then there is accessibility which would include are they open when you can get there and have child care and time off from work w/o risk of losing $$ from paycheck or losing your job itself. Very real barriers that middle class and financially comfortable people have NO CLUE even exist because "it's never happened to them." And when someone DOES clue them in, the barriers are summarily dismissed because the person facing them is just not "motivated enough."
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Post by midjd on Sept 22, 2015 20:18:34 GMT -5
There was a discussion a few days ago about how impossible it can be to find items like pine nuts and orzo in small town grocery stores. As one can imagine, in places like these it can be equally impossible to get an appointment with a doctor who takes Medicaid.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 22, 2015 21:38:09 GMT -5
What is the largest provider then? Unless community health centers are a single organization, then I think PP is still the largest provider. Being the largest provider does not mean you serve the majority, it just means you serve more than any other single provider.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 22, 2015 22:16:19 GMT -5
There was a discussion a few days ago about how impossible it can be to find items like pine nuts and orzo in small town grocery stores. As one can imagine, in places like these it can be equally impossible to get an appointment with a doctor who takes Medicaid. I think a lot of us who pay out of pocket for things and who can handle the triple and quadruple deductibles forget that ObamaCare has decimated access to healthcare for upwards of 19 million people. I'm willing to concede things may be a LOT more difficult over the last three or four years. I know Medicaid providers are dropping like flies, and rural health services and hospitals are closing their doors due to ObamaCare.
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