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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 8:24:54 GMT -5
Yes, I think Fiorina did well. Even when I disagreed I thought she could make an argument.
Trump mp was understated for trump. He still got a lot of play time. Not sure how he moves.
Christie had a few good answers, but mostly 9/11. I don't think he is viable.
Carson is too soft spoken, settled for his small allotment of time and, just personal anticdote time, my friends who love him are all anti vac'ers... Not sure how that plays. He did hedge a little, but...
Jeb... He just isn't bringing it.i can't remember anything memorable he said.
Paul, well, I like him on drugs and war, but those are t his winning questions within the intended audience.
Rubio... I can't remember. I think a few times I was asking, who is that when he talked but can't remember the topics ... And anyone else blended. (Streaming the debate for about half it lagged and so I could only listen... The picture was off, and had to be careful to make sure I knew who was talking... The less well known blended together, particularly as they didn't seem to say anything that distinguished themselves to me personally...)
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Post by Waffle on Sept 17, 2015 8:27:39 GMT -5
Huckabee doesn't bother me, probably because I feel he has no chance of winning the nomination, let alone the presidency. Trump would bother me if I could make myself take him seriously. But the one that I have the most negative reaction to is Bush. I just do not get that negative push against Jeb. He ran a state of 17 million people. He ran it well. He was popular with it's citizens. Yeh, I get it. He is the son of Bush I The brother of Bush II But I think he is his own man. I actually liked Bush I. But, I admit I don't like the idea of political family dynasties. But the real negativity I feel about (Jeb)Bush is more emotional. He smiles at the wrong times. He just comes across as cold and fake.
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Post by Waffle on Sept 17, 2015 8:30:36 GMT -5
I loved Fiorina's answer to the lightweight $10 bill question.
"I wouldn't change the $10 bill or the $20 bill. I think honestly it's a gesture. Don't think it helps to change our history. What I would think is we ought to recognize that women are not a special interest group," Fiorina said. "Women are the majority of this nation. We are half the potential of this nation. And this nation will be better off when every woman has the opportunity to live the life she chooses."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 8:34:26 GMT -5
As long as she doesn't choose to have an abortion or do some MJ....
But yes, I take the point. I also liked when she answered the Trump insult question. She had him there.
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Post by mroped on Sept 17, 2015 8:36:12 GMT -5
Carson looked like he was waiting for a Halleluiah! Those arms extended out and open hands, fingers together...
I watched very little but I got the Trump-Fiorina argument and she kinda showed him. I think she was doing very well. Very articulate, fluent speech and calm with just a tinge of a smile like a real politician. At any point I was waiting for her to burst into one of those "... The greatest nation in the world!" speeches but it didn't happen.
All in all I think she did best and she is the one that I could see giving any democrat a run for their money.
Trump-babbling fool! Carson-preaching Walker- whiner Cruz, Rubio- inarticulate and mumbling Kussick- I guess he did alright Christie- made some good points and knows how to control the atmosphere. "remember I am a republican governor that has to put up every day with a crazy liberal legislature!" I liked that!
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Post by Waffle on Sept 17, 2015 8:47:15 GMT -5
mroped, I thought it was interesting that you left three contenders candidates out of your critique. Any opinions about Paul, Huckabee and Bush?
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Post by The Captain on Sept 17, 2015 8:56:18 GMT -5
OMG is it that time of the year again.
*Sigh*. DH was watching the debate. I couldn't. Not this early.
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Post by Opti on Sept 17, 2015 8:56:57 GMT -5
Fact-checker had a lot to report it seems.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/factchecking-the-cnn-republican-debate/ar-AAeoTPP?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=iehp
Donald Trump told a story linking vaccination to autism, but there’s no evidence that recommended vaccines cause autism. And Sen. Rand Paul suggested that it would be safer to spread out recommended vaccines, but there’s no evidence of that, either. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Trump donated to his gubernatorial campaign to get him to change his mind on casino gambling in Florida. But Trump denied he ever wanted to bring casino gambling to the state. A former lobbyist says he did.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said that Hillary Clinton was “under investigation by the FBI” because she “destroyed government records.” Not true. She had the authority to delete personal emails.
Trump said that “illegal immigration” cost “more than $200 billion a year.” We couldn’t find any support for that. Actually, it could cost taxpayers $137 billion or more to deport the 11 million immigrants in the country illegally, as Trump proposes.
Trump again wrongly said that Mexico doesn’t have a birthright citizenship policy like the United States. It does.
Carly Fiorina said that the Planned Parenthood videos released by an anti-abortion group showed “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.” But that scene isn’t in any of the videos. (IMO, it is sick to make something like this up.)
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Post by Opti on Sept 17, 2015 9:03:26 GMT -5
That last one is bothering me the more I think about it. Is Carly trying to start up irrational fears that fetal brain transplants are being performed? Science-wise nothing else makes sense except stirring up fear and emotions.
I am so glad it is not true and so very disappointed someone would be willing to make something like that up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 9:05:36 GMT -5
I think Paul's answer was more personal choice angle on vaccines... If someone wants to spread them out, they should be free to do so... He didn't say if they should be free to forgo them...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 9:06:24 GMT -5
Yeah. I doubt I could vote for her because of that. Lots of PP lies being spouted as truth last night.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 9:08:10 GMT -5
That last one is bothering me the more I think about it. Is Carly trying to start up irrational fears that fetal brain transplants are being performed? Science-wise nothing else makes sense except stirring up fear and emotions.
I am so glad it is not true and so very disappointed someone would be willing to make something like that up. I tried to look it up and all I could find was that some ex worker said it happened... I don't trust individual voices with an agenda.
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Post by midjd on Sept 17, 2015 9:44:41 GMT -5
A single link should be fine for any subsequent posts discussing the comments.
For any posts using direct quotes, having a link within the post (or "see Captain's #43) would make Proboards happier, although as long as there is attribution somewhere in the thread I doubt they'd care.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 9:53:30 GMT -5
Opt did link the narrative in which those quotes were embedded.
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Post by Waffle on Sept 17, 2015 9:55:07 GMT -5
Opt did link the narrative in which those quotes were embedded. I think I'm the offender. I quoted Fiorina without a link.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 17, 2015 10:00:51 GMT -5
No worries, everyone - I just want to keep us covered. oped - will you please do me a favor and tell me the post # where Opt put in the link? I looked and didn't see anything but I'm partially color blind and my current skin may be "whiting" some things out. Though I fixed that, but apparently not.
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Post by Opti on Sept 17, 2015 10:06:02 GMT -5
Reply#38, second line. I added some whitespace. Hopefully it is more obvious now.
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Post by mroped on Sept 17, 2015 10:19:02 GMT -5
I didn't get much of the three that I left out. I remember thinking about Huckabee that he should leave religion out of his talks. He also said something about the Iran Deal and how we should just tell them "there is no deal" and how we should arm Israel up to their teeth like we aren't doing that already Use to like him but lately he just turned into a great warmonger and seems to wanna start another unjustified war in the ME. Bush should stop making excuses for his family and maybe bring the tone of his voice a notch up?! I remember Paul saying something about the Syrian conflict explaining why we should not attack/invade and liked his answer. Too little to form an opinion.
All three had maybe one or two answers for the segment that I could bring myself to follow.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 17, 2015 10:25:21 GMT -5
To clarify on the copyright issue: If you cut/paste from another site you must include a link. If you're going to re-state cut/pasted material that's already been posted here, just quote. That's what we've done up to now and what ProBoards expects on their own site (ProBoards Support).
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Post by deziloooooo on Sept 17, 2015 11:10:31 GMT -5
Or perhaps they've been planning Hillary talking points for so long, they want to use them. I still wonder if Biden is going to make a run...Possible the recent tragedy he experienced with the loss of his son might have something to do with his reluctence..still in morning..shocked. He would be a interesting and I wonder if not a formadable one... While I was having fun with my post above..on a more seriouse note..and no I didn't watch all of the debate [ }..{ I guess 70% of it }I did find it interesting that a few and especially toward the end by some one heavily mentioned....{ wish they put up the names of the candidates when cameras were on em..still confused by some..}that for these members of the GOP.... all seem to feel Bengazi and Hillerys E mail account are so important that a beheading in their minds might be in order for the lady...Do rank and file GOP folks really are that upset about that or are just mimicking their leaders because they [leaders] are making such a deal about nothing.. For me..if this is what they are going to hang their hats on and make their case for her being unqualified...then in my opinion..granted I am biased..they are in deep doo doo...There may be some problems to be hashed out but these two.. Give me a break already... AS long as I am on my soap box..Donald reminds me of Benito Mussalini in many ways with his facial expressions..for you younger folks ..suggest you google some of his poses after speeches..Benito that is..as he folds his arms..{Donald doesn't do that} but he moves his head and mugs his face and lips in a way of superiority..similar to Donald. I do get the same deja voo of GOP desires to be the man in the world which means by force in my mind...bringing up how Iraq is lost to us , we should have kept a presence...[ guess if so GOP would have released purse strings on that one..} even though Iraqui leadership said to leave unless we put our troops under their laws for any what evers while in country...[ seems they don't like to mention the need for permission..oh yeah..Republicans don't need permission of host countrys for such doings..forgot that. Also in Syria..we should have done more ..which means again military intervention..For one who experienced such things..in that case by my elected Democratic leaders...I can tell you from experience that is not a good thing but it doesn't stop GOP from loving that type of scenario..[ wonder if their kids, grand kids would be part of that scene..Also another of the talking heads spoke of being strong no matter what..as if our defense budget is still so much larger then all others..yet from the other side of their mouth they speak of debt and how deep in the hole we are..as if defense spending is aleays prudent..see F-35 costs as just one example..believe he was mentioning hugh sizing of Army Navy and Marines..no mention of the costs. I could go on but it would be never ending...What scares me..people being unhappy..they just might follow one of these people...Can't wait till they get it whittled down to one or two..16 of these are just to much already.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 17, 2015 11:14:08 GMT -5
Carson keeps getting shut down and backs off. Yes, I like Carson, he is very well spoken, but you can tell he comes from a polite profession where everyone is allowed time for thoughtful and polite debate. Not sure he's got the temperament to swim with the sharks.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 17, 2015 11:17:09 GMT -5
I just do not get that negative push against Jeb. He ran a state of 17 million people. He ran it well. He was popular with it's citizens. Yeh, I get it. He is the son of Bush I The brother of Bush II But I think he is his own man. I actually liked Bush I. But, I admit I don't like the idea of political family dynasties. But the real negativity I feel about (Jeb)Bush is more emotional. He smiles at the wrong times. He just comes across as cold and fake. I noticed that weird smiling at odd times, too, plus he often stood with his hands folded in front of him, which seemed odd, but I am willing to consider that was just nerves. They get coached to within an inch of their lives about how to look and what body language to use and not use, so I imagine that is crazy making. I did think he had more impassioned answers and showed some spunk, which was good.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 17, 2015 11:23:17 GMT -5
I suspect, knowing how arrogant Trump is, that he's the kind of person who revises history.
So possibly he wanted to get a casino in Florida, pushed for it, the push failed, and instead of admitting that he participated in something that failed, Trump now says he never wanted it in the first place. This way he doesn't have to admit that he wasn't able to get what he wanted.
Trump did say something along the lines of "I was part of an organization that wanted to push for casinos in Florida but I personally never wanted casinos in Florida" which is bullshit talk, IMHO.
Were he to become president, I would anticipate that he would constantly be doing this kind of mush talk, especially the kind where he insults someone and then pretends the words he said don't really mean what they mean (I meant 'facade' not 'face.')
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 17, 2015 11:55:52 GMT -5
From Fox news.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 17, 2015 12:01:35 GMT -5
I do get the same deja voo of GOP desires to be the man in the world which means by force in my mind...bringing up how Iraq is lost to us , we should have kept a presence...[ guess if so GOP would have released purse strings on that one..} even though Iraqui leadership said to leave unless we put our troops under their laws for any what evers while in country...[ seems they don't like to mention the need for permission..oh yeah..Republicans don't need permission of host countrys for such doings..forgot that. Also in Syria..we should have done more ..which means again military intervention..For one who experienced such things..in that case by my elected Democratic leaders...I can tell you from experience that is not a good thing but it doesn't stop GOP from loving that type of scenario..[ wonder if their kids, grand kids would be part of that scene..Also another of the talking heads spoke of being strong no matter what..as if our defense budget is still so much larger then all others..yet from the other side of their mouth they speak of debt and how deep in the hole we are..as if defense spending is aleays prudent..see F-35 costs as just one example..believe he was mentioning hugh sizing of Army Navy and Marines..no mention of the costs. I could go on but it would be never ending...What scares me..people being unhappy..they just might follow one of these people...Can't wait till they get it whittled down to one or two..16 of these are just to much already. Looking solely at the Syrian refugees, the world should do something helpful in Syria. Which I guess means tossing it to the UN Peacekeeping Forces...
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Post by The Captain on Sept 17, 2015 12:23:02 GMT -5
Reply#38, second line. I added some whitespace. Hopefully it is more obvious now. OPT - thanks! I obviously missed it the first time. Just want to clarify that while I REALLY appreciate the added whitespace, I don't expect it.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 17, 2015 14:49:05 GMT -5
I liked Fiorina except when she said how she would immediately start building up the military the moment she got into office, and then listed all the places she would get involved, across the globe, ending up at the Kurds. She said we had the ability to step in and fix these situations, so we needed to do that.
IMHO we haven't paid for the last two wars we had, and I don't want our soldiers squandered to any more long term conflicts for questionable reasons. Too hawkish for me.
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Post by deziloooooo on Sept 17, 2015 14:54:07 GMT -5
I do get the same deja voo of GOP desires to be the man in the world which means by force in my mind...bringing up how Iraq is lost to us , we should have kept a presence...[ guess if so GOP would have released purse strings on that one..} even though Iraqui leadership said to leave unless we put our troops under their laws for any what evers while in country...[ seems they don't like to mention the need for permission..oh yeah..Republicans don't need permission of host countrys for such doings..forgot that. Also in Syria..we should have done more ..which means again military intervention..For one who experienced such things..in that case by my elected Democratic leaders...I can tell you from experience that is not a good thing but it doesn't stop GOP from loving that type of scenario..[ wonder if their kids, grand kids would be part of that scene..Also another of the talking heads spoke of being strong no matter what..as if our defense budget is still so much larger then all others..yet from the other side of their mouth they speak of debt and how deep in the hole we are..as if defense spending is aleays prudent..see F-35 costs as just one example..believe he was mentioning hugh sizing of Army Navy and Marines..no mention of the costs. I could go on but it would be never ending...What scares me..people being unhappy..they just might follow one of these people...Can't wait till they get it whittled down to one or two..16 of these are just to much already. Looking solely at the Syrian refugees, the world should do something helpful in Syria. Which I guess means tossing it to the UN Peacekeeping Forces... I agree but in our case, USA...my feeling is , unless a direct attack on us or something along those lines as far as damaging our interests..the American public has had it with direct interventions...I believe that is why Obama has steered away beyond Naval , air and such...plus the horrendouse costs..Russia is going to see that now as they go into Syria..It's said that Iran has spent $40 Billion in Syria supporting Assad...they can get away with it because of the authoritive style of government they have...Russia too , though if they get involved in a ground war there will be body bags going back to Russia but in this case they won't have to worry about anti aircraft missles against their planes and helos supplied to rebels by the USA as in Afganistan. Syria is a weird case...Assad should go...I have heard figures of 200 thousand dead to a million...his own citizens...plus refugees of half the population...Only ones supporting him is his own small tribe..Yet if he is gone then ISIL {ISIS} takes over and we know what they are doing..Once in charge they will go after Joran..Israel too...Egypt...It seems the powers to be are thinking Assad is the better of the two evils...Believe Israel is thinking that...
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 17, 2015 15:00:14 GMT -5
I liked Fiorina except when she said how she would immediately start building up the military the moment she got into office, and then listed all the places she would get involved, across the globe, ending up at the Kurds. She said we had the ability to step in and fix these situations, so we needed to do that.
IMHO we haven't paid for the last two wars we had, and I don't want our soldiers squandered to any more long term conflicts for questionable reasons. Too hawkish for me.
How about this one?
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