Trump using music without permission

[swamp]

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Discuss.

[djAdvocate]

they should use the Ted Nugent back catalog.  Huckabee should use this little gem:

It's nothin' dangerous
I feel no pain
I've got the choo-choo train
You know you got it when you, you're going insane
It makes a grown man cry, cry, oh won't you make my bed

Well, I make the purr with the stroke of my hand
They know they gettin' it from me
They know just where to go when they need their lovin' man
They know I'm doin' it for free

I give them cat scratch fever

[kittensaver]

The Orange Clown. I love it!

[swamp]

Sept 10, 2015 14:47:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

they should use the Ted Nugent back catalog.  Huckabee should use this little gem:

It's nothin' dangerous
I feel no pain
I've got the choo-choo train
You know you got it when you, you're going insane
It makes a grown man cry, cry, oh won't you make my bed

Well, I make the purr with the stroke of my hand
They know they gettin' it from me
They know just where to go when they need their lovin' man
They know I'm doin' it for free

I give them cat scratch fever

Need.  Brain.  Bleach. 

[djAdvocate]

yeah, i know, right?

[Tennesseer]

Meh.  Trump could buy the whole music industry (and run it into the ground).

[Virgil Showlion]

Sept 10, 2015 14:50:00 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

The Orange Clown. I love it!

You love that they're making fun of his skin colour?

[The Captain]

Not the first time.  Remember when Ross Perot used Seal's "Crazy" as his theme song?  IIRC Seal wasn't too pleased, but he was a bit more classy about it.

[kittensaver]

Sept 10, 2015 16:32:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Sept 10, 2015 14:50:00 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

The Orange Clown. I love it!

You love that they're making fun of his skin colour?

Nope not his skin color.

Yanno, unless you (the Big You) live under a rock, his known proclivity for bashing the looks of his fellow candidates, Hollywood stars and basically anyone his egotistical sense of entitlement makes him feel like bashing makes him a pretty easy target, under the if-he-can-dish-it-out-he-should-be-able-to-take-it theory, just sayin' . . . .

Besides, it was REM who said it - I just 'd.

And I'm still  ing.

[busymom]

So, the businessman doesn't understand copyright laws?

[mmhmm]

Sept 10, 2015 16:59:31 GMT -5 busymom said:

So, the businessman doesn't understand copyright laws?

He understands them. Neil Young got all over him last year for using one of his songs without permission. Trump simply doesn't care.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Sept 10, 2015 18:31:05 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Sept 10, 2015 16:59:31 GMT -5 busymom said:

So, the businessman doesn't understand copyright laws?

He understands them. Neil Young got all over him last year for using one of his songs without permission. Trump simply doesn't care.

Which could be taken to imply that Trump's not going to give a damn about other laws should he win the Presidency.  Maybe he thinks he can write Executive Orders to do things his way, legal or not?

[Value Buy]

Sept 10, 2015 16:32:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Sept 10, 2015 14:50:00 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

The Orange Clown. I love it!

You love that they're making fun of his skin colour?

it's all good.
Liberals making fun of other people do not mean to be hurtful, unlike bad Conservatives who mean what they say, so it's ok.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 11, 2015 8:12:56 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 10, 2015 16:32:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You love that they're making fun of his skin colour?

it's all good.
Liberals making fun of other people do not mean to be hurtful, unlike bad Conservatives who mean what they say, so it's ok.

Why are you always silent about the below poster's comments like the one below?

Sept 10, 2015 22:08:00 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 9, 2015 11:18:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

here is what i think.

it is FOURTEEN MONTHS before the election.  do you really think that Bing Bing Bong Bong is going to sound the same, even SEVEN months from now?

That's a fair point- what I pay attention to are the trends.  I'm seeing things in the polls I've never seen before-- wild swings.  For example, today I saw that Bernie is basically tied with Hilldebeast 41% - 40% in New Hampshire.  Margin of error stuff- no biggie. IF this were a normal poll.  It's not.  The trend line is Hill is DOWN 12% in a month, and Bernie is up 8%.  You don't typically see movement that dramatic in a month, and especially this early.

The numbers for Trump show a similar about face-- from nearly 60% disapproval to almost the opposite now.

[swamp]

Sept 11, 2015 8:12:56 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 10, 2015 16:32:00 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You love that they're making fun of his skin colour?

it's all good.
Liberals making fun of other people do not mean to be hurtful, unlike bad Conservatives who mean what they say, so it's ok.

I'm not aware that overuse of self tanner made one a protected class..............

[jkapp]

Sept 11, 2015 9:01:57 GMT -5 swamp said:

Sept 11, 2015 8:12:56 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

it's all good.
Liberals making fun of other people do not mean to be hurtful, unlike bad Conservatives who mean what they say, so it's ok.

I'm not aware that overuse of self tanner made one a protected class..............

Protected classes are a form of discrimination 

[Value Buy]

Does anyone know if the candidates have to pay a royalty fee everytime they use it?
If I were Trump, just send in the royalty and the band cannot complain.

[mmhmm]

Sept 11, 2015 18:27:14 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Does anyone know if the candidates have to pay a royalty fee everytime they use it?
If I were Trump, just send in the royalty and the band cannot complain.

The candidate would have to obtain a license to use the material in advance of its use. Terms would be worked out at that time. He/she can't just do what they wish and pay afterward. There are claims that can be filed if the artist(s) doesn't want his/her material used.

[justme]

It all depends on who owns the rights to the song. Sometimes it's the band sometimes it's not.

[MN-Investor]

ASCAP has a guide entitled: "Using Music in Political Campaigns: What You Should Know."

Paying a license to use the music may not sufficient.

Songs are essentially works of art and, as such, they may be closely identified with the person who wrote the song or the artist(s) who performed the song. Because of this association, the artist is given protection against someone basically usurping their song. The artist has the right to claim "False Endorsement", i.e., a claim that use of his music implies that the artist is endorsing the product or candidate who is using his song.

[Value Buy]

So, it is okay for ASCAP and Musicians to discriminate who can play their music.

I understand "politicians" are not a protected class, but this sort of sounds like the wedding cake case.
You can pick and choose who uses your product. Unless they are a protected class?
Many would argue a wedding cake is a work of art

Myself, if you pay the royalty, you should be able to use it. That was the conception of royalties in the first place. Pay the artist or do not use it. Now, the artist has to like you first?
No different than me playing music on my iphone listening to it over the speaker where others can hear it.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2015 8:50:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

So, it is okay for ASCAP and Musicians to discriminate who can play their music.

I understand "politicians" are not a protected class, but this sort of sounds like the wedding cake case.
You can pick and choose who uses your product. Unless they are a protected class?
Many would argue a wedding cake is a work of art

Myself, if you pay the royalty, you should be able to use it. That was the conception of royalties in the first place. Pay the artist or do not use it. Now, the artist has to like you first?
No different than me playing music on my iphone listening to it over the speaker where others can hear it.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2015 8:50:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

So, it is okay for ASCAP and Musicians to discriminate who can play their music.

I understand "politicians" are not a protected class, but this sort of sounds like the wedding cake case.
You can pick and choose who uses your product. Unless they are a protected class?
Many would argue a wedding cake is a work of art intoduce
Myself, if you pay the royalty, you should be able to use it. That was the conception of royalties in the first place. Pay the artist or do not use it. Now, the artist has to like you first?
No different than me playing music on my iphone listening to it over the speaker where others can hear it.

I suppose Trump and all politicians out campaigning around the country and holding rallies could quietly sit around on stage while listening to a radio station, hoping the station might at some time that day play the song they feel best defines the candidate. Then they could just turn up the volume on the radio. That is if the crowd waited around for the rally to start with a particular song to finally introduce the candidate.

Maybe Trump could call a radio station on their Oldies night and request a song. It would be free!.

[Opti]

Sept 12, 2015 8:50:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

So, it is okay for ASCAP and Musicians to discriminate who can play their music.

I understand "politicians" are not a protected class, but this sort of sounds like the wedding cake case.
You can pick and choose who uses your product. Unless they are a protected class?
Many would argue a wedding cake is a work of art

Myself, if you pay the royalty, you should be able to use it. That was the conception of royalties in the first place. Pay the artist or do not use it. Now, the artist has to like you first?
No different than me playing music on my iphone listening to it over the speaker where others can hear it.

Its a difference of scope. I think a famous cake baker would have a case if it were say a celebrity wedding of

Caitlyn formerly Bruce Jenner with someone and there was a huge expected guest list, photos in People, etc.

Then there could be a case for famous baker saying it appears I am endorsing the wedding.

Do you think Ted Nugent should be OK if Hillary or Bernie picked a song of his to use without his permission?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 12, 2015 8:50:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

So, it is okay for ASCAP and Musicians to discriminate who can play their music..

of course!  it is THEIR ART.  and listeners can discriminate, as well.  it is how it works.

candidly, i wish the public would discriminate in THIS MANNER a hell of a lot more.  there is only so much Eagles a fella can take.

[mmhmm]

Intellectual property, which this song is, differs from physical property (like a cake). Anyone can make a cake and two cakes can look exactly alike; however, not just anyone can create this particular song. It is, therefore, the creator's intellectual property and cannot be used without the creator's permission.