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Post by Apple on Aug 18, 2015 14:53:58 GMT -5
I've never lived in a trailer/RV so can't be of any help at all. I just love your spirit of adventure, though, Apple! In so many ways, you remind me of myself 40 years ago. I've still got a portable "root", it just got stuck in the ground here somewhere along the way. I miss being able to just pick up and go wherever my muse takes me. Gettin' old sucks, so do it NOW! Get thyself abroad! milee, what the heck is a bimini? You do neat stuff, too! Old, jealous ladies wanna know! Haha, thanks I think it scares my parents a little! I'm a crazy planner, love security, etc, but on the other hand, I go with stuff, and when stuff happens, I've learned to pick myself up, brush it off, and figure out a new attack. And I love new adventures (I'd just rather them be because I chose to take them on). Honestly, my son is the one thing that kept me where I am for so many years. If I don't get one of these jobs before he graduates, I'm really going to be casting my net afterward and will be up for almost anything (that provides retirement plans still, I have no plan to work forever). I've already decided after this dog is gone, I won't be getting another animal. Love her, but she limits me too
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Post by Apple on Aug 18, 2015 14:56:22 GMT -5
If I buy the trailer through the credit union, I'm looking at payments of around $130/month. Lot rent $190/month. =$220/month plus electricity/propane. Let's say the electricity/propane costs $200/month, so $420. Five minutes from work. That's still a lot less than $800/month rent, for a lot of space I don't want/need. 130+190=320. Plus the 200 for utilities = 520. Still less than 800. I spend time in a trailer but it's a summer only, perm. parked one. So I have no real advice on that part. Lol, typo! I'm good at math, but a little dyslexic with a bad headache... I'll go fix it
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Post by Apple on Aug 18, 2015 15:04:53 GMT -5
I'll see if DH can send you a PM tonight. He lived in a 5th wheel in Colorado for 3years (?). He loved it (at least from his stories). I think it got old after 3 years though. You are probably going to want to spend some money on a skirting for the trailer to be used in winter. There may be someone in the park looking to sell (that is what DH did when he moved away, just sold it as is, it was still sitting there 5 years later when he took me out there). Yeah, not something I'd want to have to do long term, but trying to figure out if I could do it for a year. His input would really be appreciated! I was going to price out skirting vs DIY skirting. I guess for time, I should say I hate driving time (I used to love to drive around, but with the daily commute, I hate it). I don't mind building stuff. Too many repairs would be a pain, but a few improvements where I can plan for it and work with a hammer in my hand aren't a big deal. Of course, I know stuff breaks at the worst possible time (furnace, ac, water heaters flooding on the floor, showers breaking minutes before you have to head to the hospital for surgery that's going to take you down for at least a week...)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 15:42:04 GMT -5
If you do go with getting a camper, buy one or two ceramic heaters to either be your main heating source (would be my choice) in the Winter, or to augment your propane heaters. We owned a 26 ft. '94 w/one slideout (bought in '03; sold in '08) that we didn't have ceramic heaters for. One of our propane tanks went out @ 3 am, requiring dh to go outside and hook up the 2nd (backup) propane tank, in the middle of Winter with temps in the teens. Not horrible, but waking up from a sound sleep to chilling air only to realize you have to venture outside in freezing temps to get heat to the camper/pipes isn't ideal to say the least.
I wish we had had ceramic heaters; though I didn't know about them then. Dh prob. did and declined the need for them. If I were you, I'd have at least 2 propane tanks, and 2 ceramic heaters and only use the propane for heating water and cooking. Electric bill will be larger but the ease of not having to pay for and change out propane tanks every week is worth it, imo. Propane is an expensive way to rely on heating the unit.
You're going to have to learn all the systems of the unit, which you can certainly do, just takes a little time. Make sure you receive all the instruction booklets for each of the mechanics located in the unit. Read, have the selling owner walk you through each area of the camper, write information down and ask questions from whoever you buy it from and in addition, research online a lot...go to RV forums, etc. and pose ?'s and read, read, read...and if you don't understand what you are being told.......for Heaven's Sakes tell them so! Now is not the time to be embarrassed to ask again because you didn't understand the first time instructions...I don't know about you, but as a female my mechanical skills are sorely lacking and I need to write out instructions and have time to decifer. My sd is very mechanical, like my dh (mech. eng.) and gets things like that very fast and easily. I have different strengths and am not necessarily interested in mechanical things, mostly because it doesn't come easy for me.
You'll be fine with the proper education of owning a camper, if that's what you choose. Oh, and don't pay a ton of $$$. We paid 5k for oursfrom our inlaws, and yes got a little discount but not a ton off what they could have sold it to someone else to, we didn't use it alot, it was just the two of us and we sold it 5 yrs. later for $4600. to the first people who came to look at it. We sold ours when we found a foreclosed property on a few acres we could afford, (w/negotiating) from an out of state bank who owned it..
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 18, 2015 17:59:49 GMT -5
I live in the land of campgrounds, AKA trailer parks. We literally have 100,000 trailer lots in the township. I will say that most, maybe 2/3 are seasonal and close down in late fall till early spring. But there still lots of people who do live in them year round. The reason though is pretty simple. I live in the land of the $300K 1000 sq foot rancher and it only gets more expensive from there. So the trailers is a way for people to either get a vacation spot for the summers or to live here full time without spending six times their income on a house. I will say that you should be only looking at "trailers" that are mobile homes IMO not RV's!!! I can't imagine spending an entire winter in a very cold climate in an RV. Just trying to heat it would be a monstrous task and that isn't even including the propane bill. Most people use the terms RV and trailer interchangeably but they are not. And where I live we don't get as cold for as long as you do but even here it isn't something people do for more than one winter. One of the things that can help is having a lot in a part of the park that isn't totally in the open. If there is a side where trees are it can serve as a break for the wind. You should make sure it is plumbed and doesn't have to have water brought in and waste dumped. I see people all the time buying huge amounts of water at all the stores because of this and I don't want to think of the joy of having to drive the RV over to the spot to the toilet contents every week either. Most here are pretty close to $200 a month for lot rent. Cable and telephone normally are charged through the park. Elec depends on the park. Some have one main line and turn on and off the service to the trailers. Most long term parks or sections have regular hook ups though. Propane is all on your own. Most parks will fill up your tank if you bring it to them to fill but personally I am not carrying a filled 20lb tank. And I could easily see you going though one a week in that cold. I will say that I have no idea about ac. Most don't have it. It is pretty breezy here and most trailers are set up and not moved often so they put things like decks and screened Florida rooms on them to hang out in when it is hot. If it get too hot they head to the beach. Anyway no matter what you decide good luck! I will keep my toes crossed for you.
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Post by milee on Aug 18, 2015 18:09:37 GMT -5
I live in the land of campgrounds, AKA trailer parks. We literally have 100,000 trailer lots in the township. I will say that most, maybe 2/3 are seasonal and close down in late fall till early spring. But there still lots of people who do live in them year round. The reason though is pretty simple. I live in the land of the $300K 1000 sq foot rancher and it only gets more expensive from there.
I will say that you should be only looking at "trailers" that are mobile homes IMO not RV's!!! I can't imagine spending an entire winter in a very cold climate in an RV. Just trying to heat it would be a monstrous task and that isn't even including the propane bill. This is an area where apparently you can buy a house for $55k. So, still not sure about the appeal of the trailer.
Also, she's only looking at "trailers" and RVs that she can tow with her truck, so not mobile homes.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 18, 2015 18:50:23 GMT -5
I live in the land of campgrounds, AKA trailer parks. We literally have 100,000 trailer lots in the township. I will say that most, maybe 2/3 are seasonal and close down in late fall till early spring. But there still lots of people who do live in them year round. The reason though is pretty simple. I live in the land of the $300K 1000 sq foot rancher and it only gets more expensive from there.
I will say that you should be only looking at "trailers" that are mobile homes IMO not RV's!!! I can't imagine spending an entire winter in a very cold climate in an RV. Just trying to heat it would be a monstrous task and that isn't even including the propane bill. This is an area where apparently you can buy a house for $55k. So, still not sure about the appeal of the trailer.
Also, she's only looking at "trailers" and RVs that she can tow with her truck, so not mobile homes.
All I have to say about living in an RV in a climate where it normally gets to -20 during the winter is just NO!
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Post by milee on Aug 18, 2015 18:51:35 GMT -5
This is an area where apparently you can buy a house for $55k. So, still not sure about the appeal of the trailer.
Also, she's only looking at "trailers" and RVs that she can tow with her truck, so not mobile homes.
All I have to say about living in an RV in a climate where it normally gets to -20 during the winter is just NO! Well, we already said that, but apparently it's still appealing for some reason. (And I'd say the same even if the temps were +20. )
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Post by cktc on Aug 18, 2015 18:53:18 GMT -5
Are there any realtors in the area? In small towns one office might help with every housing scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 18:56:27 GMT -5
Just wanted to add we pulled ours with an '03 2500HD Chevy Silverado w/the big V8....I'd have to check w/dh but I'm pretty sure our truck can pull 10k# and pulling the camper wasn't to the weight weight limits.
Dh had a Chevy 1500 series before the '03 that we pulled a Hallmark enclosed double trailer w/2 snowmobiles in hilly terrain (in some spots) and the truck was stressed. We had to eventually replace a transmission in it.
So if you do go this route, know your limits w/your 1500 truck...
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 18, 2015 19:04:34 GMT -5
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 18, 2015 19:12:07 GMT -5
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Post by Apple on Aug 18, 2015 19:22:56 GMT -5
Ouch! Yeah, for that price I'd just buy a house. Temps average 20 (according to online stats) in the winter. Have to talk to someone who lives there to know what is realistic. I know I would not go above $20k, there are some ok ones for $6k (but older), and a few 4 season ones for $13k. Even at $20k, if I'd rather buy a house. But, to buy a house, it would be best to wait a year until I sell my current one and know the area. But, if I'm staring down $800 in rent, it would be cheaper to buy the house, even when you consider all the extra stuff that goes with that :/ A year from now, with a sold house in current town, I could afford a better house, with some land, in new town. *sigh* The timing absolutely sucks to think anything is a good choice.
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Post by Apple on Aug 18, 2015 19:24:44 GMT -5
Are there any realtors in the area? In small towns one office might help with every housing scenario. I'll be stopping to see a few on Thursday/Friday.
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Post by swamp on Aug 18, 2015 19:26:20 GMT -5
Are there any realtors in the area? In small towns one office might help with every housing scenario. I live in a small town. A realtor isn't going to do anything for her. Rentals are word of moutH. Ask so the guys at the interview. I'd be willing to put money on one of them having a brother/cousin/friend who has rentals.
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Post by Apple on Aug 18, 2015 19:36:31 GMT -5
Are there any realtors in the area? In small towns one office might help with every housing scenario. I live in a small town. A realtor isn't going to do anything for her. Rentals are word of moutH. Ask so the guys at the interview. I'd be willing to put money on one of them having a brother/cousin/friend who has rentals. I might not ask during the interview, but definitely at the lunch beforehand with the mechanics. And, if I get the job offer, I'll ask around then. Would it sound bad to ask during the "questions for us" part of the interview?
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Post by Apple on Aug 18, 2015 19:38:17 GMT -5
One of the ones I was looking at earlier must have sold. If I were to go this route I'd look around, but something like this would be what I was looking for: seattle.craigslist.org/kit/rvs/5166248523.htmlIf I go the rv route, I want something I can use after the one year living in it. Either at the property or for camping.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Aug 18, 2015 20:01:07 GMT -5
What kind of security would you have in an RV park during winter? I mean both while you're in the trailer and when you're away at work and back home?
I think you should do something flexible like an apartment for a year and then either move to Europe or buy something in the new town.
Also, can you include the relocation expenses in your pending claim? You were forced to move to find comparable work at comparable pay.
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Post by msventoux on Aug 18, 2015 20:23:08 GMT -5
I would encourage you to look at any options other than living in a travel trailer, depending on how cold it gets there. When I was a teenager my dad was between jobs and 3 of us overwintered in a 30 foot travel trailer while he was looking for work. There were some challenges when things got colder (like -25 degrees and colder a few times).
We didn't have to move the trailer as there were hookups in the ground for water/sewer. We put straw bales under the perimeter of the trailer, then a silver thermal material attached to latticework to enclose the straw so underneath the trailer was completely enclosed. All of the water and sewer lines had to be heat-taped so they wouldn't freeze.
When it got really cold the furnace was on constantly. When you slept in the bunks you could feel the cold seeping in and your bedsheets would freeze to the wall, so we had to put more thermal material on the inside of the walls when it was the coldest. I think propane is also a "wet" heat source, so between that and 3 people and animals breathing there was a condensation problem.
This was in the late 90's so it wasn't a prehistoric trailer at the time. Not sure of the build of newer models and if there's been any improvements in insulation in them. I don't how much everything cost to stay there, but I know we ended up renting one of the 300 or 400 gallon propane tanks and having it filled by a truck since we were going through the tiny propane tanks at a ridiculous rate.
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Post by Apple on Aug 18, 2015 21:30:27 GMT -5
What kind of security would you have in an RV park during winter? I mean both while you're in the trailer and when you're away at work and back home? I think you should do something flexible like an apartment for a year and then either move to Europe or buy something in the new town. Also, can you include the relocation expenses in your pending claim? You were forced to move to find comparable work at comparable pay. Security: depends on the park and location, but something that has to be looked at (and will go on my list of questions). Since it would be part time, there wouldn't be anything of any value in it, but would still suck to have a break in. I'm going to be requesting a lot in my claim, this included (I'm going to request travel time get paid for the drive to and from new location every week, plus mileage at per diem rates, along with every single other out of pocket expense related to the job change, housing, utilities, etc). What I actually get may be something different. But, I'll be keeping everything documented, even the hotel costs of this weekend for the interview, gas/mileage, travel time, etc. Unfortunately, I can't get the time back.
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Post by Blonde Granny on Aug 19, 2015 9:50:12 GMT -5
If you plan on being able to move the trailer, you'd best check out the tires also. On our MH, regardless of the miles on the tires, the rule was to replace them every 5 years. Ours cost in 2001, $500 for each of the 6 tires. There is a code on the sidewall of the tires telling you when the tires were manufactured. Visit a tire place and ask them to show you how to decipher the code.
To move the trailer, you may need a stabilizer system that goes between your truck and the trailer, and you may need a supplemental braking system installed also. None of these items come cheap. You will also need to back up the trailer to put it in place using only mirrors (I never was able to accomplish it, so my job was to direct the driver where I wanted the motor home to be placed.
If it hasn't been mentioned, there is a weight allowance for what can be carried inside the trailer. It should be located on the inside of one of the cabinet doors. Going over the allowance and you run the risk of blowing tires. I would also check to see if there is a braking system installed on the trailer itself. Wheel bearing also need to be checked and/or replaced before towing.
on edit: Find out how long the trailer has been sitting in one place. The under carriage an other parts exposed to the weather will deteriorate while sitting (tires are really known for that.)
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Aug 19, 2015 10:49:35 GMT -5
Park model = mini mobile home. It's small so it'll fit in an RV space but not usually intended to hitch up and go as easily as an RV. The pictures make me feel claustrophobic. I live in tourist central and there's a couple of parks full of these things. You'd buy them with the intention of leaving them where they are.
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Post by Blonde Granny on Aug 19, 2015 11:14:31 GMT -5
We owned a park model in Florida for a few years. Ours was 14' wide and 36' long. It required special movers and permits to attempt to move it. It stayed where it was parked.
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Post by CCL on Aug 19, 2015 11:25:36 GMT -5
If you're shopping for a 4-season trailer it is going to be quite heavy. I would never put a 5th wheel on a 1/2 ton truck...but people do. That's why I don't want a fifth wheel. I want to be able to haul it with my existing pickup. I did see one 24 footer that would be nice. Also, as far as purchasing trailers, does anyone know if prices for used ones drop at all during the fall? That is when I'd be looking for one. I bought my camper for half-price in October.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 11:26:26 GMT -5
Park model = mini mobile home. It's small so it'll fit in an RV space but not usually intended to hitch up and go as easily as an RV. The pictures make me feel claustrophobic. I live in tourist central and there's a couple of parks full of these things. You'd buy them with the intention of leaving them where they are. I don't think the one that beachbum posted was a park model. Looks like a super old crappy pull behind with an addition built on the side. Something like that would go for a few thousand bucks around here...if that.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Aug 19, 2015 11:26:50 GMT -5
One of my brother's best friends did this for like two years or so. We are in a 4 season place. He's cheap and wanted to pay cash to put a manufactured house on his land. He already owned the land. Another thing he had going for him was his girlfriend could get discounted propane from her employer. He had to put in sewer and a well. Before that he hauled water.
It was a 5th wheel that he parked. It had the skirting which I'm sure he did himself. He has a Ram 2500 diesel so hauling it to the site wasn't a problem. I'm sure he insulated it extra bc it has been known to dip below zero in the winter.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Aug 19, 2015 11:28:05 GMT -5
Park model = mini mobile home. It's small so it'll fit in an RV space but not usually intended to hitch up and go as easily as an RV. The pictures make me feel claustrophobic. I live in tourist central and there's a couple of parks full of these things. You'd buy them with the intention of leaving them where they are. I don't think the one that beachbum posted was a park model. Looks like a super old crappy pull behind with an addition built on the side. Something like that would go for a few thousand bucks around here...if that. The second one was, it was even in the description. For some dumb reason, I quoted the first posted one instead of the 2nd. I saw the first one. <<Shudder>>
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 11:36:05 GMT -5
The only kind people live in year round around here are the park models and they can be nice. I like this one. lacrosse.craigslist.org/reb/5175388369.htmlBut living in an RV? This reminds me of my ex and his motorhome idea. The judge didn't let him out of jail until Spring because he was going to do that and they figured he'd surely die. eta: Not saying you're doing something life threateningly stupid Apple. There were other factors at play here with ex. I know people do it and it doesn't sound like you get quite as cold as we do. I do think it might get kind of rough and costlier than you believe though.
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Post by milee on Aug 19, 2015 12:19:29 GMT -5
If you plan on being able to move the trailer, you'd best check out the tires also. On our MH, regardless of the miles on the tires, the rule was to replace them every 5 years. Ours cost in 2001, $500 for each of the 6 tires. There is a code on the sidewall of the tires telling you when the tires were manufactured. Visit a tire place and ask them to show you how to decipher the code.
To move the trailer, you may need a stabilizer system that goes between your truck and the trailer, and you may need a supplemental braking system installed also. None of these items come cheap. You will also need to back up the trailer to put it in place using only mirrors (I never was able to accomplish it, so my job was to direct the driver where I wanted the motor home to be placed.
If it hasn't been mentioned, there is a weight allowance for what can be carried inside the trailer. It should be located on the inside of one of the cabinet doors. Going over the allowance and you run the risk of blowing tires. I would also check to see if there is a braking system installed on the trailer itself. Wheel bearing also need to be checked and/or replaced before towing.
on edit: Find out how long the trailer has been sitting in one place. The under carriage an other parts exposed to the weather will deteriorate while sitting (tires are really known for that.) Yeah, I think I had put the bearing maintenance out of my memory hoping to forget it.... but once or twice a year you do need to pop off the covers and re-pack the bearing grease or the bearings will overheat, lock up and stop when you tow it. If it's been sitting a while, I'd do that first and make sure that after I towed it for a 10-20 miles, I pulled over and re-checked the bearing covers to see if they were getting too hot, which would indicate a leak or other failure.
And yes, very important to go by age of tire, not just wear. Most trailer tires don't see enough road use to show wear, but the tires become brittle or dry rotted within a few years after manufacture. IMHO 5 years is pushing it; I replace mine every 3.
Backing a trailer is tough at first but just like anything else, can be learned with practice. Once you get it, it's not a biggie.
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Post by Apple on Aug 19, 2015 14:05:13 GMT -5
Just when things feel like they can't get worse, they do. Can't go into detail, but I'd live in an outhouse for four days a week if i could just get out of here...
So, i know i won't get that desperate if i get the job, but good thoughts toward finding a cheap rental and that i get the job offer (or the one in town) would be appreciated. This last issue may break me if i don't escape soon.
Thanks for the advice on the trailer, i have more knowledge about what to consider if i can't find a better option.
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