kittensaver
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 30, 2015 16:05:35 GMT -5
Always pick the worst house on the best street in a good neighborhood...if you don't have money to buy where you want to buy. Neighborhoods in "transition" may be in transition for decades. Good advice . . . unless you can't afford the worst house on the best street in a good neighborhood.
Then that means you're NOT a gentrifier, right?
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Cookies Galore
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 30, 2015 18:45:54 GMT -5
Those of you who have just been called riffraff might take some solace in the knowledge that app will tell you that you don't make enough money to be a gentrifier before it tells you that your town is too wealthy to be gentrified. When I lie about my income, I discover that the median income for singletons in this town is too high for a singleton to be considered a gentrifier. I feel a little better knowing this but I'm still irritated enough that I'm gonna blow off mowing the lawn and pedal down to the microbrewery instead. My run club meets at the local brewery, I love brunch, and only buy from my local coffee shops. Aside from income I AM gentrification! Lol.
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Post by haapai on Jul 30, 2015 18:55:48 GMT -5
So after @haaoii post I went back and pretended I am not single. And guess what? As a single person I am a gentrifier by far out-earning the area average income, as a "family with kids" I am 15% below the area income for a family. Now can someone please tell me where I can get a single's discount on my next home? You get the singles discount by buying a house so shabby that you wouldn't want kids living there in a school district that you wouldn't want to send kids to. Then you fix it up. It's much harder to do this when you have kids sucking on your time and wallet or if you want to live in an area that doesn't have scruffy houses. That is why it is a singles discount. If the house doesn't kill you and you don't give up, you might land up with a house that could nurture children but the schools are another question. A whole bunch of single people painting and landscaping shabby houses and re-hydrating with watery, over-hopped beer doesn't necessarily lead to better schools. It can take a long time for improvements in the housing stock and business district to lead to increased property tax revenues. Rents may go up when people like my neighbor (who drives a very cute microcar and apparently changes into a kilt when he gets home) move in, but it those increased rents don't really lead to all that much more tax revenue for the city. I live in a state where property tax assessments on owner-occupied properties are generally capped by the inflation rate and unless a property has a major (permit-requiring) improvement or changes hands, tax revenues don't go up very fast.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 30, 2015 19:38:37 GMT -5
Weird, it seems as DINKS we are gentrifriers , but the moment we add kids we are not. Interesting
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Post by haapai on Jul 30, 2015 19:58:03 GMT -5
There's something similar going on in my ZIP. SINKs and families with kids already make too much compared to the county average to be gentrifiers but DINKs can still be gentrifiers if they make enough money.
ETA: The living with family, no children category might not mean DINKs as we're assuming. It might include a whole lot of married folks with adult children, including households where adult children are present but no minor children.
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Post by skubikky on Jul 31, 2015 6:41:32 GMT -5
Impossible for the rural location where I live. Pretty safe to say that "gentrification" won't/can't happen here.
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Post by skubikky on Jul 31, 2015 7:22:46 GMT -5
Impossible for the rural location where I live. Pretty safe to say that "gentrification" won't/can't happen here. No you will just get the city folk that move to the country and bitch that it's not city enough Too far out, no public water, no sewers, no broadband, no shopping, nothing but open country = no gentrifiers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 10:34:57 GMT -5
We are but you would never know it, I join some of the other neighbors in our townhome complex to watch sports and chug beer in the large community driveway, I have a neighbor that rolls a large old school projection TV out to his garage.
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Post by resolution on Jul 31, 2015 11:33:54 GMT -5
This is really odd. When I say family with no kids, the average household income for my zip code is 60k but when I say family with kids, the average household income is 45k. I had someone figured that people would want more income before they started having kids.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Jul 31, 2015 13:22:48 GMT -5
We're gentrifiers! And I'm ok with that. We were the poor people on the block when we bought years and years ago. Since then I've worked very hard to educate myself and move up the corporate ladder. But I like living near people who are ok with hanging out in the street, kids being loud and playing in the street, helping do renovation projects, and someone will ALWAYS wander over if my kids open the hood of their car and help them. And I try to be frugal. So most of our neighbors don't really realize how much we make. They do realize that we make 'more 'n average 'round here'. So we always get hit up for school donations, food bank donations, etc. And I'm ok with that.
When we were flat broke and super poor, people used to give me babysitting jobs and SDH house repair jobs, etc. Now, we try to do the same (well, house repair. Kids are too old to be babysat)
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Post by bean29 on Jul 31, 2015 17:44:38 GMT -5
I think I figured out why this annoyed me so much. If you make good money and move to the suburbs you are 'guilty' of white flight, which will bring ruin to a neighborhood. If you make good money and move to a lower income neighborhood, you are 'guilty' of gentrification. Is is there any situation where you are not 'guilty' of anything? Sroo, I live in Milwaukee County (Oak Creek) but they included Milwaukee/Waukesha/West Allis in the calculation for my city. Waukesha county was where all the white flight went to. I can't even imagine how they can compare incomes/quality of housing in Milwaukee and Waukesha Counties and average them together.
That said, I live in a new subdivision so claiming to be a gentrifier is not realistic. The first neighborhood we lived in though, we lived in bayview and that are is definitely Gentrifying.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 31, 2015 20:23:53 GMT -5
This is really odd. When I say family with no kids, the average household income for my zip code is 60k but when I say family with kids, the average household income is 45k. I had someone figured that people would want more income before they started having kids. For us it is the opposite: no kids and it is 80K and we are gentrifiers at 120k with kids it is 110k and we are not because our neighborhood is too rich.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 31, 2015 20:58:23 GMT -5
They are trying to do that near my work. Building a small group of houses. $400k for the same street that had multiple car jackings last summer. Not in this life time. You could get a single family home the next county over where people want to live for that price. Good schools and all.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 31, 2015 21:09:47 GMT -5
It says we are, which is just crazy. You can't go by this zip code, but that's what it appears to use. It has houses from probably $40k all the way up to $1.5M.
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Post by tcu2003 on Jul 31, 2015 23:09:36 GMT -5
It says we are, which I guess maybe I'd believe for our town...maybe...but definitely not our neighborhood. We have one of the cheaper houses in our neighborhood, and I'm guessing make less than many of our neighbors, though I could be wrong on that one.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Aug 1, 2015 0:47:19 GMT -5
The survey says we are but I feel we are more like The Beverly Hillbillies than any gentrification.
I drive a 9 year old car with lots of dents, don't do Yoga, hate coffee/lattes/starbucks, eat plain meat and potatoes (sorry fancy fusion places), won't go near a Whole Foods, and my work out is grabbing a Target t-shirt and shorts and running around the neighborhood.
I think I did try pilates a few years ago. That was done with a cheap mat from Walmart and a VHS pilates tape (Yes, we still have a VCR).
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Post by cronewitch on Aug 1, 2015 3:05:34 GMT -5
My zipcode makes 42K where Seattle is 45K so depends what I put as income. I don't have income unless I want income if I take from IRA it is income but from ROTH isn't. If I go my own way defining income as how much investments grew it is a different number. According to my Phil script if I get 11% I am very high income and I get SS as a bonus.
Rich is about more than income. Many of my neighbors have been in the same house since they were built so now retired widows with no mortgages some with no car living in perfectly maintained homes. One moved to a condo now but for years owned her house and a condo but told me she is low income, she sold her house to her son so if he has a mortgage she has a ton of money but still low income. Money in the bank isn't income bank even a million at 2% you are still low income.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 1, 2015 8:28:45 GMT -5
It's kind of interesting that "gentrification" has a negative slant on it.
There's been a lot of talk lately about institutional racism, and how we need to have "more integrated" communities.
Sometimes it seems like it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. If upper middle class white people start moving to a poor neighborhood, they're "gentrifying it" and forcing poor people out. If upper middle class white people move out of poor neighborhoods, it's criticized as a form of racism and segregation.
Upper middle class white people have to live somewhere though.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 1, 2015 8:31:24 GMT -5
As for me, the truth is I don't know. I don't know enough about the history of my town to know if it's been a traditionally working class neighborhood or not.
But there's a lot of history here, and it does have the reputation of being one of the more expensive places to live. There are a lot of older people here and the annual family income is fairly high. So my gut feeling is "no."
ETA the article says yes, but I live fairly far from the closest metropolitan area, so I don't know if it counts.
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