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Post by dondub on Aug 12, 2015 12:05:45 GMT -5
Oooh, genocide. What a fantastic solution that is.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 12, 2015 12:11:25 GMT -5
We're the good guys. We don't throw the first punch. We don't go looking for a fight. And as long as WE safe, THEY are safe. They'll have a year to demonstrate they're in control of THEIR problem. And it should be THEIR problem. Not ours. we have been throwing the first punch since VietNam, Paul. time to get off the high horse. False.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2015 12:11:31 GMT -5
Oooh, genocide. What a fantastic solution that is. yeah, because....it has always worked so well in the past.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2015 12:12:06 GMT -5
we have been throwing the first punch since VietNam, Paul. time to get off the high horse. False. bwhatevr. we threw the first punch in Iraq. that is all anyone needs to disprove YOUR statement.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 12, 2015 12:12:17 GMT -5
Oooh, genocide. What a fantastic solution that is. They're going to have notice, and the option of not fucking with us.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2015 12:14:01 GMT -5
Oooh, genocide. What a fantastic solution that is. They're going to have notice, and the option of not fucking with us. "they" are not a country, and many of "them" are not going to stop. so, we are going to sacrifice the majority for the minority in the center of the Arab world, and bomb one of our closest allies in the region? are you insane?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 12, 2015 12:20:20 GMT -5
They're going to have notice, and the option of not fucking with us. "they" are not a country, and many of "them" are not going to stop. so, we are going to sacrifice the majority for the minority in the center of the Arab world, and bomb one of our closest allies in the region? are you insane? It is a problem that begins in their part of the world, it's a problem that has to end there. We are either going to continue down the road of endless war, and making this a problem for Western nations, or we are going to place the poopy baby of islam back in the lap of its parents.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 12, 2015 12:23:11 GMT -5
They're going to have notice, and the option of not fucking with us. "they" are not a country, and many of "them" are not going to stop. so, we are going to sacrifice the majority for the minority in the center of the Arab world, and bomb one of our closest allies in the region? are you insane? Someone once said doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. Since islamists first declared war on us in the 1800's we've tried everything from full blown appeasement and tribute to arming and training rival factions. We had a century or so of calm the first time we threatened to completely wipe them out- and we backed that threat up with the Marines in Tripoli. Why is it "insane" to presume that what has worked before will work again, but not insane to assume that what hasn't worked will work?
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Post by dondub on Aug 12, 2015 12:24:17 GMT -5
are you insane?
Interesting question.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 12, 2015 12:49:15 GMT -5
What did I say? Let me quote myself: Well, here you go. I don't think this guy can be beat. He is so much smarter, and so much tougher than his opponents that there will have to be such a game-changer, such an incredible earth-shattering event- I don't even know what it would have to be? For better of for worse, Trump is on deck.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2015 12:57:22 GMT -5
What did I say? Let me quote myself: Well, here you go. I don't think this guy can be beat. cool. then you should have no problem taking 10:1 odds on a $100 bet. $100 from you, he loses. $1000 from me, he wins. we got a deal?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2015 12:58:06 GMT -5
"they" are not a country, and many of "them" are not going to stop. so, we are going to sacrifice the majority for the minority in the center of the Arab world, and bomb one of our closest allies in the region? are you insane? Someone once said doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. Since islamists first declared war on us in the 1800's we've tried everything from full blown appeasement and tribute to arming and training rival factions. We had a century or so of calm the first time we threatened to completely wipe them out- and we backed that threat up with the Marines in Tripoli. Why is it "insane" to presume that what has worked before will work again, but not insane to assume that what hasn't worked will work? treating the era prior to Sayd Qutb as even SIMILAR in nature to what came after is categorically stupid. sorry, but it just is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2015 13:00:38 GMT -5
"they" are not a country, and many of "them" are not going to stop. so, we are going to sacrifice the majority for the minority in the center of the Arab world, and bomb one of our closest allies in the region? are you insane? It is a problem that begins in their part of the world, it's a problem that has to end there. We are either going to continue down the road of endless war, and making this a problem for Western nations, or we are going to place the poopy baby of islam back in the lap of its parents. we are going to continue on an endless war until the old paradigm set up by Leo Strauss gives way to something more real.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 12, 2015 13:19:21 GMT -5
Paul, so your plan is to nuke the middle east to eliminate wars that go back centuries? And that Trump has Presidential credentials? He knows how to bankrupt companies and lose investors money while keeping his own. He knows how to insult everyone and say he's right. He won't get the GOP nomination. People who support him now are really supporting change in the party. A qualified candidate will pick up the GOP platform for change, not king Donald.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 12, 2015 13:31:48 GMT -5
"they" are not a country, and many of "them" are not going to stop. so, we are going to sacrifice the majority for the minority in the center of the Arab world, and bomb one of our closest allies in the region? are you insane? It is a problem that begins in their part of the world, it's a problem that has to end there. We are either going to continue down the road of endless war, and making this a problem for Western nations, or we are going to place the poopy baby of islam back in the lap of its parents. So should we nuke Mexico because some of the Mexicans are drug lords? Talk about going after a fly with a cannon. There are still far more Muslims who are not terrorists than Muslims who are.
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Post by dondub on Aug 12, 2015 15:18:15 GMT -5
We should nuke the Bible Belt as we have had many more attacks from rightwing anti-govt. Christians than we have had from Islamacists.
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Post by busymom on Aug 12, 2015 15:31:17 GMT -5
I can't imagine Trump getting the nod from the Republican Party. He won't play the "party game". Trump strikes me as the type who only wants to play by his own rules. Whether he'll get the nomination is the question, he doesn't appear to need the "nod". Why do you think the GOP leadership is peeing their collective pants right now? You're right about one thing: Trump is a businessman, a deal maker, and entrepreneur. As such, he doesn't play nice with the other kids. He is not a collaborator. He calls meetings, he doesn't merely attend meetings. The purpose of the meetings he calls is not to listen and get ideas, it is to give orders and directions. He does not get mired in specifics and details- he tells people what he wants to accomplish, and he expects them to do it. If it turns out they're the wrong people for the job, he fires them and finds the right person. He'll never, ever, ever have a 27 point plan for muddling through the next century. There will be no " managing the decline" in a Trump administration. Some things he does will anger conservatives, some things he does will anger liberals, but he'll DO SOMETHING G*ddammit and that's going to be enough for a whole lot of people. Here's my concern: do you remember Governor Jesse Ventura? (We remember him well here in the Midwest, as he was in the newspaper ALL THE TIME.) He'd lose his temper dealing with his state government. So, neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party would work with him. And, he kept walking away when he got mad, rather than trying to negotiate. So, hardly anything got done. On a national level, if Trump has the same "leadership" style, that could be catastrophic for our country. We need a President, not a King.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2015 15:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 12, 2015 18:14:40 GMT -5
Shit, we have that now, only without a real casino on the grounds.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 18:19:50 GMT -5
you can pick the reason, if you like. but Canada is no more socialist than we are. Right. Thank you for acknowledging both countries are socialist. To the extent we have problems, they are all the result of socialism.LOL. Most of the problems we have are due to religion, not socialism. Obamacare is one of the reasons I said "most"... there are a few other reasons as well. But, hands-down, the lion's share of blame goes to religion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 18:19:54 GMT -5
'Poopy baby of Islam' ? That's where I get off this train.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 18:25:51 GMT -5
bwhatevr. we threw the first punch in Iraq. that is all anyone needs to disprove YOUR statement. I'm assuming you mean Iraq II: Revenge of the Son...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 18:28:46 GMT -5
What did I say? Let me quote myself: Well, here you go. I don't think this guy can be beat. cool. then you should have no problem taking 10:1 odds on a $100 bet. $100 from you, he loses. $1000 from me, he wins. we got a deal? Can I get in on that action? (I'll be on the $1000 from me, he wins side too... although I'll admit it may take me up to a year to pay my side off)
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2015 21:06:27 GMT -5
cool. then you should have no problem taking 10:1 odds on a $100 bet. $100 from you, he loses. $1000 from me, he wins. we got a deal? Can I get in on that action? (I'll be on the $1000 from me, he wins side too... although I'll admit it may take me up to a year to pay my side off) only if he refuses. $1000 is enough exposure for me for now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 21:30:12 GMT -5
Can I get in on that action? (I'll be on the $1000 from me, he wins side too... although I'll admit it may take me up to a year to pay my side off) only if he refuses. $1000 is enough exposure for me for now. LOL... you misunderstood. I'm taking the same side of the bet that you are!
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 13, 2015 3:52:46 GMT -5
Sounds great, except, how do you propose we "clean it up"? Well, my plan is actually simpler than Trump's. My foreign policy would be the Mecca - Medina doctrine which says, "Congratulations! You've chosen Islam, the religion of peace. It seems, however, that some in your company are what you'd call not-so-peaceful. You have a year to reign it in. After that time, whenever anyone, anywhere in the world is harmed by a radical islamic extremist, a low yield thermonuclear warhead will be detonated over Mecca. The next target will be Medina. We will continue to prosecute a war of attrition against you until such time as you are completely annihilated, or we have every reasonable assurance that you have your extremist problem under control. And rest assured: it is YOUR problem." Your solution is to kill millions of innocent people?? Why am I not surprised? Evidently, your solution to terrorism is to become a much worse terrorist yourself.
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Post by marvholly on Aug 13, 2015 6:14:48 GMT -5
Scary I find myself agreeing with SOME of what Paul has said.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2015 7:06:00 GMT -5
Attack Mecca-Medina and you can kiss the Vatican City State goodbye for starters.
Yea, let's escalate this baby.
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Post by Opti on Aug 13, 2015 7:11:50 GMT -5
Well, my plan is actually simpler than Trump's. My foreign policy would be the Mecca - Medina doctrine which says, "Congratulations! You've chosen Islam, the religion of peace. It seems, however, that some in your company are what you'd call not-so-peaceful. You have a year to reign it in. After that time, whenever anyone, anywhere in the world is harmed by a radical islamic extremist, a low yield thermonuclear warhead will be detonated over Mecca. The next target will be Medina. We will continue to prosecute a war of attrition against you until such time as you are completely annihilated, or we have every reasonable assurance that you have your extremist problem under control. And rest assured: it is YOUR problem." Your solution is to kill millions of innocent people?? Why am I not surprised? Evidently, your solution to terrorism is to become a much worse terrorist yourself. I think some Christian conservatives are so hung up on the notion that *some* Muslims call their religion the religion of peace, they are willing to kill millions over it. Christianity is the religion of peace dammit and we are willing to wipe out anyone innocent or guilty to prove that.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 13, 2015 7:58:01 GMT -5
Well, my plan is actually simpler than Trump's. My foreign policy would be the Mecca - Medina doctrine which says, "Congratulations! You've chosen Islam, the religion of peace. It seems, however, that some in your company are what you'd call not-so-peaceful. You have a year to reign it in. After that time, whenever anyone, anywhere in the world is harmed by a radical islamic extremist, a low yield thermonuclear warhead will be detonated over Mecca. The next target will be Medina. We will continue to prosecute a war of attrition against you until such time as you are completely annihilated, or we have every reasonable assurance that you have your extremist problem under control. And rest assured: it is YOUR problem." Your solution is to kill millions of innocent people?? Why am I not surprised? Evidently, your solution to terrorism is to become a much worse terrorist yourself. Okay, Paul is just playing with you. He has to do catch up because he has been away for awhile My problem is you assuming millions of innocent people killed. It would be tens of thousands. And no, it is not acceptable. I would suggest the destruction of their oil fields. Remove the money source. He did state low yield warhead, and they are not all innocent people, and most people agree Saudii citizens have supported the terrorists....... I know, I know, callous of me, but only trying to correct imperfections in your argument. Even Trump would not do this. Trump would ask Israel to do it for us.
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