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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 25, 2016 14:53:11 GMT -5
Three are rated "True". Three are rated "Mostly True", two of which (re household incomes, re sanctuary cities) should be "True". Four are rated "Half True". One of these (re loss of manufacturing jobs) should be "True", two (re border-crossing families, re Syrian immigrants) should be "Mostly True". Two are rated "Mostly False", one of which (re Ms. Clinton's role in the ascent of ISIS) should be "Half True". One is rated "False" (re Ms. Clinton on the 2A), and it should be rated "Indeterminate". The bad news is that many of the ratings aren't accurate. The good news is that politifact.com gives the reasons why they rate claims the way they do, which allows for independent analysis. i did my best to count. so, he is bringing his average up. he used to lie about 75% of the time, and now it is around 50%. whoop. I voluntarily stopped after I showed your quoted source to be off 600%.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 15:03:14 GMT -5
i did my best to count. so, he is bringing his average up. he used to lie about 75% of the time, and now it is around 50%. whoop. I voluntarily stopped after I showed your quoted source to be off 600%. what did you voluntarily stop?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 15:03:39 GMT -5
Our Sunday paper had absolutely not one article on the editorial section or national news section that did not denigrate Republicans or Trump. Every article was a Democratic puff piece, on both the state and national level. The attacks have officially begun by media. Game on. fuck the MRC. period.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 25, 2016 15:16:26 GMT -5
Have you read the book, or seen the movie "The Big Short"? The book is far better- more matter-of-fact, no leftist dog whistles about 'blaming it all on the poor and immigrants' and the movie doesn't even give honorable mention to the CRA or Chris Countrywide Dodd, or Kent Conrad among others). At the end the investors with Dr. Burry- the genius behind using " credit default swaps"-- to short mortgage-backed bonds which he realized were being loaded up with more and more with high-risk sub-prime mortgages but rated "AAA" anyway by ratings agencies which it turned out later were just selling ratings for cash. Anyway, it's a complex subject- but what it comes down to is that the entire US housing market was a bubble- yes, but it was a fraud. Everyone involved knew it was a fraud, but they just kept going because the people at the upper echelons of power at the big banks knew there was a bailout coming, so they just flat didn't care. TBTF wasn't a new concept. There was precedent: from the "Great Depression" to the savings and loan scandal, to Harley Davidson. The upshot was that the whole thing was a giant fraud. Every bit of it. So, here we are today-- and the bubble today is far bigger. The government debt bubble, the US Dollar Bubble, the public employee pension bubble, and the massive, almost incomprehensible entitlement bubble are the four horsemen of the economic apocalypse. No one can save us. There's no credit card to turn to. We don't have enough assets if we sold the whole country-- including the private assets of everyone in America 600 times over.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 25, 2016 15:18:35 GMT -5
Fuck the media. Period. Wikileaks just confirmed everything I and every other conservative have known for years- there isn't a single media outlet with one iota of credibility. They are ALL Democratic house organs. "We're on to you" - Laura Ingram
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 15:24:48 GMT -5
the trick is to be skeptical. that is all that is required. without "the media" we are ALL fucked. this is precisely why i hate the MRC. they don't give a fuck about the actual issue. they only care about their agenda, which is to mainstream their bullshit rather than respecting our right to question it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 15:25:35 GMT -5
"We're on to you" - Laura Ingram what's she on? that is my question every time i listen to that moonbat.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 15:26:55 GMT -5
Have you read the book, or seen the movie "The Big Short"? watched it yesterday. didn't learn anything new, other than the fact that there were a few good guys in that whole charade.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 15:28:36 GMT -5
Everyone involved knew it was a fraud, but they just kept going because the people at the upper echelons of power at the big banks knew there was a bailout coming, so they just flat didn't care. everyone? no, not everyone knew that. the people that mattered knew it, and everyone else was Gunga-Dinning it.
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Post by dondub on Jul 25, 2016 16:57:44 GMT -5
When the tumbling down became apparent, summer of 2007, I was in my 23rd year as a Mortgage Broker. I can clearly state that not "everyone involved knew it was a fraud." We were simply going about business as usual. My transactions were all A paper and a small handful of some high score ALT investor 80-10-10's. There were other loans originated in the company that were sub-prime. I may have thought they were shady but had no proof, not my portfolio, no right to examine files.
Massive levels of fraud were committed. The rating agencies were bribed. Heads should have rolled. My disillusionment with Obama began right there within 1 year of his taking office.
Now all of these years later some fines that may sound large, 4-5 billion here or there, were just the cost of doing business for Chase, BofA, and other large multi-national banking interests.
On a side note....I see the CRA mentioned again. As I recall only 1 of the 25 sub-prime lenders were beholden to that act, but the righties will look under any rock to blame demos. We were well into Bush W's 2nd term, with him pushing the Zero Downpayment Act and Greenspan having loosened credit to the max, before the house of cards start wavering.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 25, 2016 17:24:23 GMT -5
Fuck the media. Period. Wikileaks just confirmed everything I and every other conservative have known for years- there isn't a single media outlet with one iota of credibility. They are ALL Democratic house organs. "We're on to you" - Laura Ingram Heil Trump!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 25, 2016 17:37:07 GMT -5
Wow. I like 'em already!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 25, 2016 17:38:57 GMT -5
Fuck the media. Period. Wikileaks just confirmed everything I and every other conservative have known for years- there isn't a single media outlet with one iota of credibility. They are ALL Democratic house organs. "We're on to you" - Laura Ingram Who? Is that a different person than Laura Ingraham?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 17:58:25 GMT -5
Wow. I like 'em already! why?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 25, 2016 18:45:57 GMT -5
the trick is to be skeptical. that is all that is required. without "the media" we are ALL fucked. this is precisely why i hate the MRC. they don't give a fuck about the actual issue. they only care about their agenda, which is to mainstream their bullshit rather than respecting our right to question it. Are you nucking futs? Everything MRC has been saying about media was just proved. Oh, and btw... I have referred you to Reagan's 5 point deficit 30 days out from the election in 1980; and how 30 days later he won by 5 points. Now, maybe you think there was a 10 point swing in 30 days, but I think we all know the truth. The polls were cooked-- they didn't show where the people were, but where the Democrat controlled media wanted them to be. Now-- take this. Add 5 points. theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/25/donald-trump-polling-ahead-of-clinton-but-did-he-really-get-polling-bounce/
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 25, 2016 18:54:17 GMT -5
I voluntarily stopped after I showed your quoted source to be off 600%. what did you voluntarily stop? Listing all the precisely correct Trump quotes from his speech. Really, the only ones that can be argued are those admittedly subjective statements.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 25, 2016 19:17:10 GMT -5
Wow. I like 'em already! why? Their front page has an analysis of the buzzwords used by the USMSM to describe the two VP candidates, an editorial about Hollywood's climate hypocrisy (try finding that in a mainstream newspaper), a whitepaper on media bias in the gun control issue, their " media bias 101" report (which, assuming it presents true statistics, shreds the "media is not left-leaning" narrative), the “What Difference Does It Make” award, ... They're looking at the media from the perspective "In what ways is the media spinning news and events to favour neoliberal policies, positions, and candidates?" In particular, where has the media shed its objective mantle to sell Americans on carbon credits, gun control, globalization, Princeton economics, fake-it-till-you-make it blind optimism, the "recovery" narrative, and, as Paul suggests, Democratic policies and candidates. They only look at sins on one side of the spectrum, but i) they don't maintain pretenses otherwise, ii) there are countless similar organizations out there, including most of the MSM outlets, that concern themselves solely with sins on the conservative end of the spectrum; it's nice to see the left being called out for a change. What surprises me is that you don't like them. I imagine that's because they're using "liberal" in an improper sense? I don't know of too many other ways to get you flinging profanities.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 25, 2016 20:08:03 GMT -5
Did you read the email? Wow. Unbelievable. They post a link to an email that doesn't come close to saying what they say it says.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 25, 2016 20:35:14 GMT -5
The MSM is owned lock stock and barrel by large multi-national corporations. They are hardly left wing guys (and gals). They are where their interests coincide with leftist interests. And there's considerable correlation between them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 20:37:48 GMT -5
Their front page has an analysis of the buzzwords used by the USMSM to describe the two VP candidates, an editorial about Hollywood's climate hypocrisy (try finding that in a mainstream newspaper), a whitepaper on media bias in the gun control issue, their " media bias 101" report (which, assuming it presents true statistics, shreds the "media is not left-leaning" narrative), the “What Difference Does It Make” award, ... They're looking at the media from the perspective "In what ways is the media spinning news and events to favour neoliberal policies, positions, and candidates?" In particular, where has the media shed its objective mantle to sell Americans on carbon credits, gun control, globalization, Princeton economics, fake-it-till-you-make it blind optimism, the "recovery" narrative, and, as Paul suggests, Democratic policies and candidates. They only look at sins on one side of the spectrum, but i) they don't maintain pretenses otherwise, ii) there are countless similar organizations out there, including most of the MSM outlets, that concern themselves solely with sins on the conservative end of the spectrum; it's nice to see the left being called out for a change. What surprises me is that you don't like them. I imagine that's because they're using "liberal" in an improper sense? I don't know of too many other ways to get you flinging profanities. that should tell you something. i am not going to dignify the discussion by adding anything more. if you are curious, you'll find out. edit: i will add one comment tho- the MRC is not like other watchdog organizations on EITHER end of the spectrum.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 20:39:13 GMT -5
The MSM is owned lock stock and barrel by large multi-national corporations. They are hardly left wing guys (and gals). i would describe that as an institutional analysis. whenever it is made, the right calls it a conspiracy theory.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 20:44:02 GMT -5
The MSM is owned lock stock and barrel by large multi-national corporations. They are hardly left wing guys (and gals). They are where their interests coincide with leftist interests. And there's considerable correlation between them. sure. approximately as much as there are correlation with rightist interests. and this has....what....to do with anything?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 25, 2016 20:51:57 GMT -5
Their front page has an analysis of the buzzwords used by the USMSM to describe the two VP candidates, an editorial about Hollywood's climate hypocrisy (try finding that in a mainstream newspaper), a whitepaper on media bias in the gun control issue, their " media bias 101" report (which, assuming it presents true statistics, shreds the "media is not left-leaning" narrative), the “What Difference Does It Make” award, ... They're looking at the media from the perspective "In what ways is the media spinning news and events to favour neoliberal policies, positions, and candidates?" In particular, where has the media shed its objective mantle to sell Americans on carbon credits, gun control, globalization, Princeton economics, fake-it-till-you-make it blind optimism, the "recovery" narrative, and, as Paul suggests, Democratic policies and candidates. They only look at sins on one side of the spectrum, but i) they don't maintain pretenses otherwise, ii) there are countless similar organizations out there, including most of the MSM outlets, that concern themselves solely with sins on the conservative end of the spectrum; it's nice to see the left being called out for a change. What surprises me is that you don't like them. I imagine that's because they're using "liberal" in an improper sense? I don't know of too many other ways to get you flinging profanities. that should tell you something. i am not going to dignify the discussion by adding anything more. if you are curious, you'll find out. When I find out, it will change the world. The raven will never again fly by moonlight.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 20:54:20 GMT -5
that should tell you something. i am not going to dignify the discussion by adding anything more. if you are curious, you'll find out. When I find out, it will change the world. The raven will never again fly by moonlight. frankly, i am more concerned with your grip on reality. but this thread is trying my sympathies.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 25, 2016 20:57:02 GMT -5
They are where their interests coincide with leftist interests. And there's considerable correlation between them. sure. approximately as much as there are correlation with rightist interests. and this has....what....to do with anything? Just trying to figure out why critiquing media objectivity is a bad thing.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 25, 2016 20:58:36 GMT -5
When I find out, it will change the world. The raven will never again fly by moonlight. [personal attack deleted] You're microaggressing. Respect my safe space.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 20:59:11 GMT -5
sure. approximately as much as there are correlation with rightist interests. and this has....what....to do with anything? Just trying to figure out why critiquing media objectivity is a bad thing. nothing- which is another reason to hate the MRC. i would love to start a thread on those miserable fucks, but i already spend too much time here.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2016 21:00:20 GMT -5
frankly, i am more concerned with your grip on reality. but this thread is trying my sympathies. You're microaggressing. Respect my safe space. no, i am not. i am showing a paternal concern in your youthful indulgences (and your rather bizarre reply in post 3997). edit: if you were truly concerned with microaggression, the website under discussion would be the last place to venture.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 25, 2016 22:07:05 GMT -5
Just trying to figure out why critiquing media objectivity is a bad thing. nothing- which is another reason to hate the MRC. i would love to start a thread on those miserable fucks, but i already spend too much time here. I hate those rotten sons of guns. But I'm not going to say why. But I HATE them! Rotten den of vipers! But I'm too angry to talk about it any more. Because they're such foul, loathsome rotters! I should start a thread on it, but I won't. Hey, I get it, mon ami. Mr. Trump got his expected convention bump. The drama at the RNC failed to hurt him much. The DNC is now experiencing drama of its own. Paul and VB are running around proclaiming the "good news". You're terrified and miserable, right? I get it. I'll wait until next week, after Ms. Clinton gets her expected bump and some bad news for Mr. Trump comes along. Her lead will be back again, and so will happy DJ. I'm sure he'll be willing to devote a paragraph or two to actually explaining himself as opposed to cussing people out for no discernible reason.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 25, 2016 22:49:55 GMT -5
American politics is such a circus! Very entertaining. They're in CONSTANT election mode and are already talking about candidates for 2020. Too funny! And we thought our election was too long, at 78 days. "Here are 20 parties. Pick one."
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