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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 21, 2016 16:59:45 GMT -5
"I'm saying that there's plenty of data that supports gay parents as being unworthy. No, I won't provide the data. I'm not interested in having that discussion." That about sums it up, Paul? I don't blame him. We've had that discussion at least three times already. You can't be bothered to consider the data objectively or even to remember what was said, so why even bother. There is that. But more specifically-- it's too far off a tangent for this thread.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 21, 2016 17:06:31 GMT -5
I'm tired of the stereotyping Paul. It's not all left, right, liberal, conservative, Christen or not. On any given subject I could be called anyone of those. But I consider myself an intelligent, open minded person who will listen to anyone's view. When I realize they are only repeating information they heard without fact checking I don't respond. I figure they will only argue the little they have been fed. I've asked friends to prove something they've said. Their answer is for me to disprove it. They don't get it. I will listen to anyone's view. A person's individual rights are primary to me. The right to do, or not do anything whatsoever which is non-violent. I believe strongly in private property rights. I reject out of hand the absolute Constitutional right to a cake, because I reject the notion that anyone is entitled by virtue of their sexual orientation, the product of the labor of another. I also reject the foundation of the argument, more specifically I do not agree that the government has the authority in the Constitution to declare one's establishment a "public accommodation". It is an illegal form of public domain, in my opinion. It has ZERO to do with my like or dislike of gays- whom I would fully support refusing to bake a cake for a muslim or a Westboro Baptist. It has nothing to do with being a "racistsexistbigothomophobe", and frankly that retort is getting old.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 21, 2016 17:08:38 GMT -5
I'm tired of the stereotyping Paul. It's not all left, right, liberal, conservative, Christen or not. On any given subject I could be called anyone of those. But I consider myself an intelligent, open minded person who will listen to anyone's view. When I realize they are only repeating information they heard without fact checking I don't respond. I figure they will only argue the little they have been fed. I've asked friends to prove something they've said. Their answer is for me to disprove it. They don't get it. I will listen to anyone's view. A person's individual rights are primary to me. The right to do, or not do anything whatsoever which is non-violent. I believe strongly in private property rights. I reject out of hand the absolute Constitutional right to a cake, because I reject the notion that anyone is entitled by virtue of their sexual orientation, the product of the labor of another. I also reject the foundation of the argument, more specifically I do not agree that the government has the authority in the Constitution to declare one's establishment a "public accommodation". It is an illegal form of public domain, in my opinion. It has ZERO to do with my like or dislike of gays- whom I would fully support refusing to bake a cake for a muslim or a Westboro Baptist. It has nothing to do with being a "racistsexistbigothomophobe", and frankly that retort is getting old. SO is your continued ludicrous claim gay parents make bad parents.
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Post by dondub on Jul 21, 2016 17:32:24 GMT -5
Who needs to examine any studies about the children of gay parents when you have so many fine examples of those of breeder couples to look at. Just in my own life I have numerous male friends who had the shit kicked out of them by their dads. One even had a mom that was incredibly violent. Then there was my GF who was fucked by her Christian preacher dad and then had an abortion because of it. She was 14. Another GF had a sexually abusive mom that fondled her. My own overly Catholic mother created all sorts of havoc psychologically and emotionally. My sister survived a suicide attempt and had years of therapy. She used to remind us how she wished she never had children always in the same week as going to mass a few times or maybe a Bible study class.
There are homeless teens living on the streets of America...breeder parents.
There are thousands of kids languishing in foster homes...breeder parents.
What parental stories can millions of the incarcerated tell that pushed them astray along the way...breeder parents.
Gay couples that seek out and adopt at least go into it eyes wide open and desirous of creating a family.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 21, 2016 17:56:32 GMT -5
Nature has chosen a man and a woman. Once upon a time, one would not be required to back up the self-evident truths, but to prove the outlandish claims which contradicted the obvious.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 21, 2016 18:01:04 GMT -5
How many more babies are we going to find in dumpsters and trashcans? Breeder parents.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 21, 2016 18:04:14 GMT -5
Ah Paul I see you still have your shit colored Trump glasses on. Lying Crooked Hillary really? I find it adorable that you keep trying to convince yourself that isn't a liar and crooked to his core. Pot meet Kettle! Let us concede that Trump is a liar, and an asshole- just like every other politician. Hell, maybe he's even a crook- I'd have no way of knowing. But he's a patriot and this election cycle, I think it is clearer than at any time since reconstruction: it is Americans vs. Democrats. Once upon a time you could be a Democrat and still want to kick the shit out of NAZIs and the Japs. If they had a do over on that, we'd have NAZI "refugees" moving into our neighborhoods. Americans vs Democrats? Lol! Sure, only the Republicans are Americans. REAL Americans! Get over yourself and your idiotic, lying, worthless Trump.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 21, 2016 18:09:15 GMT -5
Sure, anyone who doesn't agree with this steaming pile of BS isn't a real American.
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Post by dondub on Jul 21, 2016 18:10:52 GMT -5
It's the failure of the self evident truth of a man and a woman...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 21, 2016 18:29:15 GMT -5
Do you have links to the platform items featured in that meme? I would hope that the platform would contain overturning Roe v. Wade, and stop publicly funding Planned Parenthood. Roe v. Wade is bad law, and PP should have been ACORNed already.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 21, 2016 18:30:17 GMT -5
It's the failure of the self evident truth of a man and a woman... Ordinarily, you don't solve a problem by compounding it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 21, 2016 18:31:47 GMT -5
Do you have links to the platform items featured in that meme?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 21, 2016 18:39:20 GMT -5
Ah Paul I see you still have your shit colored Trump glasses on. Lying Crooked Hillary really? I find it adorable that you keep trying to convince yourself that isn't a liar and crooked to his core. Pot meet Kettle! Let us concede that Trump is a liar, and an asshole- just like every other politician. Hell, maybe he's even a crook- I'd have no way of knowing. But he's a patriot whoa there, nelly. how do you figure that?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 21, 2016 19:12:56 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 21, 2016 19:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 21, 2016 19:20:44 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 21, 2016 19:58:30 GMT -5
Reading the post by don and welts, about the breeder parents!
There lies the solution, Let's just stop all breeder's, that will stop the problem on both sides!
See how easy that was!
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 21, 2016 22:59:48 GMT -5
Nature has chosen a man and a woman. Once upon a time, one would not be required to back up the self-evident truths, but to prove the outlandish claims which contradicted the obvious. For procreation yes. Nature has done much more or we'd only have a few plants.
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Post by dondub on Jul 21, 2016 23:43:02 GMT -5
Get real, old coyootie. Just showing that the breeders and their 'issues' may create more BS than some gay couple adopting one of their unwanted kids.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 22, 2016 1:44:30 GMT -5
I don't agree with all of it, but a good 80% of it is a step in the right direction. Sorry, Weltz. ETA: Got to love "shockingly extreme", "far-out right wing", and comparisons to the Taliban. Who do they think they're kidding?
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Jul 22, 2016 11:43:17 GMT -5
Ah Paul I see you still have your shit colored Trump glasses on. Lying Crooked Hillary really? I find it adorable that you keep trying to convince yourself that isn't a liar and crooked to his core. Pot meet Kettle! Let us concede that Trump is a liar, and an asshole- just like every other politician. Hell, maybe he's even a crook- I'd have no way of knowing. But he's a patriot and this election cycle, I think it is clearer than at any time since reconstruction: it is Americans vs. Democrats. Once upon a time you could be a Democrat and still want to kick the shit out of NAZIs and the Japs. If they had a do over on that, we'd have NAZI "refugees" moving into our neighborhoods. Gotcha you are only an American if you are a Republican. It must be fun living in your alternate reality world.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 22, 2016 12:01:06 GMT -5
Ah Paul I see you still have your shit colored Trump glasses on. Lying Crooked Hillary really? I find it adorable that you keep trying to convince yourself that isn't a liar and crooked to his core. Pot meet Kettle! Let us concede that Trump is a liar, and an asshole- just like every other politician. Hell, maybe he's even a crook- I'd have no way of knowing. But he's a patriot and this election cycle, I think it is clearer than at any time since reconstruction: it is Americans vs. Democrats.Once upon a time you could be a Democrat and still want to kick the shit out of NAZIs and the Japs. If they had a do over on that, we'd have NAZI "refugees" moving into our neighborhoods. Makes it real hard to correlate the bolded with this other quote from you: You're making even less sense than usual now. This entire election cycle has really thrown you, hasn't it?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 22, 2016 12:02:10 GMT -5
I don't agree with all of it, but a good 80% of it is a step in the right direction.
Sorry, Weltz. ETA: Got to love "shockingly extreme", "far-out right wing", and comparisons to the Taliban. Who do they think they're kidding? Well, of course you think all that bigotry, forced Christianity, conversion therapy and rolling back women's rights is a step in the right direction. It doesn't surprise me a bit.
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Post by Kolt! on Jul 22, 2016 12:06:58 GMT -5
I really don't think it's up to the "world" to decide if gays and lesbians can have children.
It's exactly like saying... "Oh my gosh, you're a single dad or mom now. NOPE! Can't have kids they'll be lacking the other parent."
It's crazy how some people want to stop gays and lesbians from adopting leaving them in orphanages. They have a better fighting chance with the gay couple then in that orphanage or even foster home when many foster children are taken advantage for the money it provides and are abused.
And maybe being adopted by a gay or lesbian family will "fail" them but there's a lot of times "straight" adoption fails them too. It's better to have a fighting chance then none at all.
There's bad parents that are straight, gay, lesbian, trans...black, white, asian.
What's important is the love. There's lesbian couples out there that have the very "feminine" mother figure and the very "Masculine" mother figure. There's dads out there that don't like sports, that are into romance flicks, and the mother is too and so their children won't even have a "masculine" figure either.
Either way... as long as that child has love that's all that matters. And the more lesbian and gay couples get accepted as parents the less bullying a child will have because it won't seem so unnormal. It's generally not the parents that make it miserable for the child it's the taunting at school and the bullying from not only the children but the "adults" too.
Like Hello, Neil Patrick Harris and David Burtka. I'd be proud to call them my fathers. The amount of love in that house for their marriage and their children is just beautiful. Just looking at that family, the look in their eyes for their children, and one another... it's something I really hope I have some day.
A gay couple deserves to have love, marriage, and children just as much as the straight person. They shouldn't be punished from that lifestyle just because some members of society think it's wrong and want to dictate what people do with their lives. They shouldn't have to be deemed a life of "lonliness" simply for who they love.
There's SO MANY awful straight parents in the world. So MANY. Just as there would be with the LGBTQ community but that doesn't mean the good parents deserve the right to parent be taken away because of some bad parents, same with straight parents, or the single father, or the single mother.
At least that gay parent isn't going to kick their child out for being gay as many straight parents do... And no... there is no statistics, no cases to date of gay parents kicking their children out for being straight.
The issues kids often have with gay parenting isn't the parents it's the bullying that comes with having the gay parents. I hate this fact. But, this shouldn't stop gay parents from adopting because they need to push through the bullying so it some day becomes more okay and the bullying stops for having gay parents. I don't see it happening anytime soon but it never will if we seize to let gays have children.
The only other argument is "They need a mother and a father" which is horse radish because many kids have grown up without both for centuries.
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Post by Kolt! on Jul 22, 2016 12:13:14 GMT -5
If you don't like gay marriage, don't get one. If you don't like kids being with gay parents, don't put your kid with gay parents. But don't prevent someone else from being able to do so just because you don't like it or your religion tells you not to like it. Your religion should never dictate what happens in someone else's life. And honestly someone getting married that is gay literally has no effect on you. None. You don't have to be there. You don't have to be their friend. You don't have to be the one marrying them. "It ruins the real meaning of marriage" Okay well? Marriage comes with a lot more rights. Marriage doesn't only happen with people that believe in God. And in this world with the amount of divorces and remarriages it's not taken as serious as it once was. Donald Trump...whose married...what is it? Three times? Get over it. Marriage has never just been for the "Christian People." and there's more to marriage then just a wedding ring. The only thing anyone can debate with gay adoption is "I care about the child" but it's just a bunch of horseradish there too. and in other news I'm super happy that Nick is putting gay parents in one of their upcoming cartoons! -- And in other news... I have no words for Trump. After his VP nomination I'm more disgusted with him then I ever thought possible.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 22, 2016 12:24:15 GMT -5
Trump said yesterday he'll fight to protect the LGBT community from foreign ideologies. Who is going to protect them from the born-again Mike Pence? During his public career, Pence has been an outspoken opponent of equal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender citizens. In Congress, he opposed efforts to encourage foreign governments to decriminalize homosexuality and sought to block the repeal of the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. As a governor, he stood against not only marriage equality, but civil unions as well. He also opposed a law prohibiting discrimination against LGBT people in the workplace and signed one opening the door to wide-ranging discrimination against these residents of his own state under the guise of religious liberty. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-appeal-to-mike-pence-leave-your-anti-lgbt-views-behind/2016/07/20/bc688de0-4e90-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 22, 2016 12:26:15 GMT -5
I don't agree with all of it, but a good 80% of it is a step in the right direction.
Sorry, Weltz. ETA: Got to love "shockingly extreme", "far-out right wing", and comparisons to the Taliban. Who do they think they're kidding? Well, of course you think all that bigotry, forced Christianity, conversion therapy and rolling back women's rights is a step in the right direction. It doesn't surprise me a bit. All this tells me is that the Democrats are out of ideas. Anyone else find it odd that the party that fundamentally believes and teaches that America was built by slaves for rich white people, and racism, sexism, bigotry, homophobia, and hatred of all people who are not Christians of white European ancestry poses an ever present threat- that America is a country where if you are an innocent young black man, you may be gunned down at random at any moment by the police- opined that Trump painted a "dark picture of the United States"? Democrats: Out. Of. Ideas.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 22, 2016 12:34:39 GMT -5
Well, of course you think all that bigotry, forced Christianity, conversion therapy and rolling back women's rights is a step in the right direction. It doesn't surprise me a bit. All this tells me is that the Democrats are out of ideas. Anyone else find it odd that the party that fundamentally believes and teaches that America was built by slaves for rich white people, and racism, sexism, bigotry, homophobia, and hatred of all people who are not Christians of white European ancestry poses an ever present threat- that America is a country where if you are an innocent young black man, you may be gunned down at random at any moment by the police- opined that Trump painted a "dark picture of the United States"? Democrats: Out. Of. Ideas. Lol! That's how you defend the ridiculous and hateful Republican platform? By saying the Dems are out of ideas? Looks like the one who's out of ideas is you, mon ami. That was lame.
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Post by movingforward on Jul 22, 2016 12:46:13 GMT -5
The Democrats don't NEED any ideas. The Republicans have dug their own grave the last several years and here they go again. All the Democrats need to do is sit back and continue to let the Republicans spout off about making American great again (you know, back when people knew their place ). The fact that a bunch of blue collar workers are following a rich elite asshole makes it all the more interesting.
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Post by sesfw on Jul 22, 2016 13:15:11 GMT -5
If you don't like gay marriage, don't get one.
If you don't like kids being with gay parents, don't put your kid with gay parents.
But don't prevent someone else from being able to do so just because you don't like it or your religion tells you not to like it.
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