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Post by tallguy on Jul 15, 2016 7:26:34 GMT -5
Do you honestly think that what was in control was the liberal wing? You guys haven't HAD a liberal wing in decades.
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Post by Opti on Jul 15, 2016 7:46:00 GMT -5
So I saw who is coming to the big Trump fest convention, and there are some big GOP names missing.
None of the three Bushes are coming. Kaisch isn't coming, even though the convention is in Ohio. Rubio is staying home. Lindsey Graham is out, and so is McCain, who is staying home to campaign for re-election.
Plus a whole group of lesser GOP stars, as well as a whole bunch of GOP operatives.
www.cbsnews.com/news/the-low-down-on-republicans-avoiding-the-convention-in-cleveland/
I don't blame them for staying home. A Trump presidency can only end in disaster. My bet is Trump will hand out administration jobs to a whole slew of his cronies/family members and they will immediately swamp the capital with illegal dealings and/or incompetency, while Trump ends up spending much of his time fending of charges of complicity (and impeachment proceedings) - that's if he doesn't spark a major international incident and plunge us into a global war first.
That's why you have so many of the GOP party faithful steering clear of the Trump fest. They may not go so far as to speak out against Trump, but they want to be able to have clean hands when the whole thing goes into the shitter and they have to rebuild their party.
You do not get it. The remnants of the Silent Majority and their next generation have taken their party back from the liberal wing. Only today, we are no longer silent. We are mad as Hell, and not going to take it any more. I think she does get it. The party hasn't been taken back, there is no new leadership. All that has happened is a non-lifetime Republican has successfully defeated this year's crop of Republican candidates and will be the Republican candidate. He is not conservative. He has held and probably still does several liberal positions including gays are OK, gay marriage no big deal, and a woman's right to choose. Any moderation on any of these positions is just him selling himself to the supporters who he knew would buy what he is selling.
You may be mad as hell, but he is not your savior. He is not your ticket to reclaim the party. He will be gone and unwilling to make the party into what you want whether he loses or even wins. He is Trump and first and foremost its all about him.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 15, 2016 7:51:11 GMT -5
So I saw who is coming to the big Trump fest convention, and there are some big GOP names missing.
None of the three Bushes are coming. Kaisch isn't coming, even though the convention is in Ohio. Rubio is staying home. Lindsey Graham is out, and so is McCain, who is staying home to campaign for re-election.
Plus a whole group of lesser GOP stars, as well as a whole bunch of GOP operatives.
www.cbsnews.com/news/the-low-down-on-republicans-avoiding-the-convention-in-cleveland/
I don't blame them for staying home. A Trump presidency can only end in disaster. My bet is Trump will hand out administration jobs to a whole slew of his cronies/family members and they will immediately swamp the capital with illegal dealings and/or incompetency, while Trump ends up spending much of his time fending of charges of complicity (and impeachment proceedings) - that's if he doesn't spark a major international incident and plunge us into a global war first.
That's why you have so many of the GOP party faithful steering clear of the Trump fest. They may not go so far as to speak out against Trump, but they want to be able to have clean hands when the whole thing goes into the shitter and they have to rebuild their party.
You do not get it. The remnants of the Silent Majority and their next generation have taken their party back from the liberal wing. Only today, we are no longer silent. We are mad as Hell, and not going to take it any more. By 'liberal wing' do you mean the moderate end of the GOP party - the party of Bush Sr and Reagan? Because the GOP hasn't had a 'liberal' bone in it's body for decades.
I see it more as an anger towards the established politicians - and I can understand that, politicians of all flavors haven't gotten anything much done in years and years, due to the deadlock on capital hill.
I agree with the anger, but I also believe it will back fire on the people who vote for Trump. Trump is a businessman with no international experience, no government experience, and a narcissistic temperament who believes he never has to ask for advice because he's always the smartest guy in the room. He loves flattery so much he'll staff his cabinet and White house with the toadies that suck up the most - not the most qualified candidates for the jobs. His voters hope that he'll throw out all the established politicians and save America - because that's what Trump claims he will do, but he'll fail, because he's the least qualified candidate for president of a major party our country has ever seen.
Two or three years from now, the GOP will be picking up the pieces and the dems will be saying "I told you so." Then we are guaranteed a good twenty years or so of Democratic POTUS's as the GOP tries to distance itself from being the party that Trump hijacked on his way to ruining the country.
Ask yourself, what proof do we have that Trump will make American great again? What is his actual plan to do that? Where are the numbers to back up his plan? What is his experience in running a government agency as Mayor, or Governor, or even as the head of a town council that would give us confidence that he will be good at running the country? Or is what Trump promising nothing more than idle talk?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2016 9:28:40 GMT -5
So I saw who is coming to the big Trump fest convention, and there are some big GOP names missing.
None of the three Bushes are coming. Kaisch isn't coming, even though the convention is in Ohio. Rubio is staying home. Lindsey Graham is out, and so is McCain, who is staying home to campaign for re-election.
Plus a whole group of lesser GOP stars, as well as a whole bunch of GOP operatives.
www.cbsnews.com/news/the-low-down-on-republicans-avoiding-the-convention-in-cleveland/
I don't blame them for staying home. A Trump presidency can only end in disaster. My bet is Trump will hand out administration jobs to a whole slew of his cronies/family members and they will immediately swamp the capital with illegal dealings and/or incompetency, while Trump ends up spending much of his time fending of charges of complicity (and impeachment proceedings) - that's if he doesn't spark a major international incident and plunge us into a global war first.
That's why you have so many of the GOP party faithful steering clear of the Trump fest. They may not go so far as to speak out against Trump, but they want to be able to have clean hands when the whole thing goes into the shitter and they have to rebuild their party.
You do not get it. The remnants of the Silent Majority and their next generation have taken their party back from the liberal wing. Only today, we are no longer silent. We are mad as Hell, and not going to take it any more. sound and fury.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 15, 2016 12:26:37 GMT -5
Too good and important an article to be hanging out on the insignificant VP thread
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 15, 2016 20:14:58 GMT -5
You do not get it. The remnants of the Silent Majority and their next generation have taken their party back from the liberal wing. Only today, we are no longer silent. We are mad as Hell, and not going to take it any more. sound and fury. Sturm und drang.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 15, 2016 20:41:20 GMT -5
Too good and important an article to be hanging out on the insignificant VP thread It deserves a thread of its own. Opti?
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 16, 2016 6:08:50 GMT -5
So I saw who is coming to the big Trump fest convention, and there are some big GOP names missing.
None of the three Bushes are coming. Kaisch isn't coming, even though the convention is in Ohio. Rubio is staying home. Lindsey Graham is out, and so is McCain, who is staying home to campaign for re-election.
Plus a whole group of lesser GOP stars, as well as a whole bunch of GOP operatives.
www.cbsnews.com/news/the-low-down-on-republicans-avoiding-the-convention-in-cleveland/
I don't blame them for staying home. A Trump presidency can only end in disaster. My bet is Trump will hand out administration jobs to a whole slew of his cronies/family members and they will immediately swamp the capital with illegal dealings and/or incompetency, while Trump ends up spending much of his time fending of charges of complicity (and impeachment proceedings) - that's if he doesn't spark a major international incident and plunge us into a global war first.
That's why you have so many of the GOP party faithful steering clear of the Trump fest. They may not go so far as to speak out against Trump, but they want to be able to have clean hands when the whole thing goes into the shitter and they have to rebuild their party.
Any of the republican so called candidates wasn't worth shit so it was going to end badly for them. Even against Killary. Now they just look like what they are, sore losers that are afraid that they look bad. Which they do. If you don't listen to what the people are saying and like it or not, Trump is saying what a lot of people want to hear, then it's on you. A smart candidate would have listened to the people who've had enough of the status quo and trump would have been a non issue
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 16, 2016 8:36:50 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 16, 2016 8:38:40 GMT -5
Anyone see how fast Hillary is posting attack ads against Trump and now Pence? Attack ads. How many attack ads has Trump come out with? This is going to be a great campaign season. At this rate, Trump is going to look like the adult in the room
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 16, 2016 8:50:04 GMT -5
Trump doesn't need attack adds. Every time he speaks it's name calling, hate and lies and the press eats it up.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 16, 2016 9:05:22 GMT -5
Anyone see how fast Hillary is posting attack ads against Trump and now Pence? Attack ads. How many attack ads has Trump come out with? This is going to be a great campaign season. At this rate, Trump is going to look like the adult in the room How many times have we heard Trump call Clinton "Crooked Hillary" in his rallies? No different.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 16, 2016 9:08:16 GMT -5
No, Trump will always be the baby in the room.
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 16, 2016 9:08:33 GMT -5
Trump doesn't need attack adds. Every time he speaks it's name calling, hate and lies and the press eats it up. Agreed. When did Hillary make her last speech where it was nothing but Trump bashing? They both spend every minute in bashing each other, only difference Trump bashes everyone else too, including Republicans. Oh yeh, when the FBI "exonerated" her from any laws being broken......... She has spent millions on all out attack ads. Trump. zero. This might be the first Presidential election where the winner might spend less than 100 million dollars going through primary and fall election and takes it all in modern history. On top of that, he is not even a real politician or lawyer.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 16, 2016 9:16:57 GMT -5
Agreed. I remember at the start of this when people or media were saying how the GOP had amassed such an impressive list of candidates, with several who were well-qualified to become POTUS. I was stunned. "Really? Because I don't see even one!"
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 16, 2016 9:22:20 GMT -5
Agreed. I remember at the start of this when people or media were saying how the GOP had amassed such an impressive list of candidates, with several who were well-qualified to become POTUS. I was stunned. "Really? Because I don't see even one!" JEB! All kidding aside, Kasich would have been good, but he is really a Democrat. I admitting to wanting him on the VP slot from almost the beginning, but obviously he has now resigned from the Republican party.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 16, 2016 9:24:52 GMT -5
The attack ad I saw was quotes from Trump and a list of some of Hillary's accomplishments, and yes she has some. Trump can't take back his words, although he denies them even when caught on camera. That's why lately he has been told to just repeat what he has been given.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 16, 2016 9:45:21 GMT -5
Agreed. I remember at the start of this when people or media were saying how the GOP had amassed such an impressive list of candidates, with several who were well-qualified to become POTUS. I was stunned. "Really? Because I don't see even one!" JEB! All kidding aside, Kasich would have been good, but he is really a Democrat. I admitting to wanting him on the VP slot from almost the beginning, but obviously he has now resigned from the Republican party. I could have lived with Jeb as the nominee, although his main qualification would likely have been being not as bad as his brother. Christie had some good attributes, but I'm not sure enough about his temperament for the position. Kasich might have been okay, except for his penchant of trying to sneak through every single anti-abortion restriction he could manage. Dude, at least be open about your agenda! Trump is a joke. The only real question will be how big of a disaster will he turn out to be if elected. And as I have said several times, the only person guaranteed to be worse than Trump was that vile, disgusting POS Ted Cruz.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 16, 2016 10:21:46 GMT -5
Trump is announcing his VP now and of course reading off a paper. Can you imagine a president Trump who will always read someone elses words? Or like during the primary saying "we are looking into that" when asked about something he din't know about. Hey Trump, do you know where Turkey is? Remember that NATO organization you want us to get out of. Do you know we have nuclear weapons in Turkey?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2016 10:45:27 GMT -5
Agreed. I remember at the start of this when people or media were saying how the GOP had amassed such an impressive list of candidates, with several who were well-qualified to become POTUS. I was stunned. "Really? Because I don't see even one!" JEB! All kidding aside, Kasich would have been good, but he is really a Democrat. I admitting to wanting him on the VP slot from almost the beginning, but obviously he has now resigned from the Republican party. you have no idea how far the parties are separated right now. there is no way in hell Kasich passes for a Democrat, VB. that having been said, he might not pass for a Republican, EITHER. but that only reinforces the point.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2016 10:47:33 GMT -5
The attack ad I saw was quotes from Trump and a list of some of Hillary's accomplishments, and yes she has some. Trump can't take back his words, although he denies them even when caught on camera. That's why lately he has been told to just repeat what he has been given. i agree. i think this is the best way to go after Trump: to repeat what he says. note to VB: Hillary has spent a lot of money, but not much against Trump. JEB! spent a lot of money trying to defeat Trump, it is true. and it didn't work. and it probably won't work when Hillary does it, either. but it might not need to. Trump is not going to win with 40%.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 16, 2016 10:52:15 GMT -5
Trump is announcing his VP now and of course reading off a paper. Can you imagine a president Trump who will always read someone elses words? Or like during the primary saying "we are looking into that" when asked about something he din't know about. Hey Trump, do you know where Turkey is? Remember that NATO organization you want us to get out of. Do you know we have nuclear weapons in Turkey? You mean like a "TelePrompTer "
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2016 10:57:34 GMT -5
i can think of worse things than a Telepromter. bad ideas, for example.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 16, 2016 11:07:25 GMT -5
People forget so quickly. The dems need to continue repeating the crazy, disgusting and many times untrue things Trump says.
My wife was watching it and said he went off script with cheating Hillary and talking about how great he is. Narcissist.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 16, 2016 11:09:01 GMT -5
He has to do that. He has nothing of true substance to offer on his own.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 16, 2016 13:07:15 GMT -5
So I saw who is coming to the big Trump fest convention, and there are some big GOP names missing.
None of the three Bushes are coming. Kaisch isn't coming, even though the convention is in Ohio. Rubio is staying home. Lindsey Graham is out, and so is McCain, who is staying home to campaign for re-election.
Plus a whole group of lesser GOP stars, as well as a whole bunch of GOP operatives.
www.cbsnews.com/news/the-low-down-on-republicans-avoiding-the-convention-in-cleveland/
I don't blame them for staying home. A Trump presidency can only end in disaster. My bet is Trump will hand out administration jobs to a whole slew of his cronies/family members and they will immediately swamp the capital with illegal dealings and/or incompetency, while Trump ends up spending much of his time fending of charges of complicity (and impeachment proceedings) - that's if he doesn't spark a major international incident and plunge us into a global war first.
That's why you have so many of the GOP party faithful steering clear of the Trump fest. They may not go so far as to speak out against Trump, but they want to be able to have clean hands when the whole thing goes into the shitter and they have to rebuild their party.
Why do you hate America? You're worse than ISIS!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 18, 2016 12:25:15 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 18, 2016 14:13:16 GMT -5
I just saw that Scott Baio (of Joanie Luvs Chatchee/ Happy Days fame ) is a Trump supporter, and will be speaking at the convention.
That's it people- I gotta go for Trump now.
So, they got some big names, huh? Lol!
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Post by Opti on Jul 18, 2016 14:19:46 GMT -5
I just saw that Scott Baio (of Joanie Luvs Chatchee/ Happy Days fame ) is a Trump supporter, and will be speaking at the convention.
That's it people- I gotta go for Trump now.
I hope I can still enjoy the clips of Melania talking tonight. <--- drowns sorrows
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 18, 2016 14:35:08 GMT -5
I just watched a replay of the 60 minutes interview last night with Trump and Pence. Pence is a good tap dancer. Also good at interpreting what Trump says.
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