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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 11, 2016 17:51:01 GMT -5
I think he is but when you are a party man, ... I am registered as Republican, but my views fall more to the Independent group, but disavow anything to do with Johnson. You think Trump is an idiot......... Johnson is. Why? I know he's socially liberal and less financially responsible than he portrays, but he's very... ordinary otherwise. He doesn't strike me as the kind of man that anybody would feel strongly about one way or another. But you obviously have a major bone to pick with him.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 11, 2016 18:04:23 GMT -5
Clankety-clank train in Norway.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 11, 2016 18:11:56 GMT -5
Of course they have small rooms! They're ancient cities with huge populations in a small space.
There's more to life than the size of the rooms in your McMansions and your giant fridges.
That's not how you judge the quality of life.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 11, 2016 18:14:47 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 11, 2016 18:15:22 GMT -5
The US has both dizzying highs and punishing lows. Your wealth inequality is high among the OECD nations. It reflects your more capitalist ethic. ETA: Oop. Looks like you set Weltz off. She gets crazy around trains.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 11, 2016 18:17:50 GMT -5
And your worst areas are the worst in the industrialised world.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 11, 2016 18:51:38 GMT -5
And your worst areas are the worst in the industrialised world. yes.
most of our worst areas are due to two reasons
1. ghetto's caused by mass, uncontrolled immigration 2. ghettos caused by globalism that gutted all the jobs that people use to have (both rural/smll town whites and inner city African americans)
Trump is saying words that would affect both of these in a really positive way...
i know you don't like him, but he's the only one in my lifetime in US politics who's actually talking about helping americans. ironically, probably the richest man in the US ever to run for POTUS is the one saying some things that MIGHT help remedy income inequality.
ROTFLMAO!!!! Yes, Trump really cares about the peons. His heart is as big as his tiny little hands.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 11, 2016 19:15:26 GMT -5
The US has both dizzying highs and punishing lows. Your wealth inequality is high among the OECD nations. It reflects your more capitalist ethic. ETA: Oop. Looks like you set Weltz off. She gets crazy around trains. sorry virgil, i meant to reply to you as well on the inequality. I actually think he is the only POTUS candidate, ever, who has EVER actually talked about putting America first in what the US govt does. I'm torn on the "globalism" issue. "Globalism" and "global trade" refer to a whole spectrum of policies and doctrines, some of which are worth having and some of which should be an affront to any sensible freedom-loving individual. The unfortunate reality is that, like most issues today, the bad is so thoroughly mixed in with the good that it's virtually impossible to consider the two independently. Consider free trade, for example. Free trade is great. It's a boon from a capitalist standpoint (maximizing utility), a quality-of-life standpoint, and a world-building standpoint. One nation produces excellent, inexpensive steel; one produces superior automobiles; the two exchange goods and both benefit. Partnerships and diplomatic ties are forged. The whole world prospers. Hence why don't I support globalist "free trade" bills like the TTP (TTIP in Europe)? Why do I support Britons in their decision to exit the EU and sever trade relations? Because the TTP, NAFTA, Eurozone, and many other globalist initiatives besides aren't about prosperous free trade. Any reasonable person who spends time researching these agreements will conclude thus. They're about power, control of resources, and benefiting certain actors (in the case of the TTP, multinational corporations and corrupt oligarchs) at the expense of everyone else, with truly "free" trade being an ancillary benefit if it exists at all. Thus the hue and cry goes up, "Down with the globalists! America first!", and perhaps rightly so, but this doesn't change the fact that there are serious consequences to trade isolationism and beggar thy neighbour policies. Though it may indeed be wise not to drink from the poisoned well, America is still going to get desperately thirsty. I doubt most of Mr. Trump's supporters realize this. Whether "America first!" turns out to be a wise policy (all things considered) or not, it's going to hurt. It's not going to bring about good times and greener pastures. The best you can hope for is to mitigate the damage. It's this fact that pro-globalist agents like Ms. Clinton exploit to sell the idea that globalism is the solution. Support us if you believe in free trade, because free trade is a good thing. Support us if you don't want to punish America, because trade isolationism will indeed punish America. A tempting admixture of good and evil. Satanic. Meanwhile, the champion for the "other side", Mr. Trump, is spouting outright lies and making a fool out of himself. "Vote for me and everything will be great." Lies, Mr. Trump. You're a fool and a liar. You're just as bad as Ms. Clinton. Only a fool would believe your promises. It seems America--and beyond that, the west--is damned either way.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 11, 2016 19:49:28 GMT -5
IMO the case against Trump comes from what he says and his lack any policy except building a wall and deporting people. that's not true, he's been very clear that a top priority will be to revisit trade deals I have long been a free-trader, or so I thought. I found myself essentially a cheese eating surrender monkey on trade- basically, there's no way 3% of the world's population is going to continue to dominate an increasingly industrialized world with burgeoning populations demanding essentially the same lifestyle we enjoy here all while loaning us money in perpetuity at 0% interest, and to add insult to injury-- we repay said loans with increasingly less valuable dollars. And some of that is true, except this: 1. Free trade is simple: I make widgets, and a guy somewhere else in the world would like to buy them, and it's economically feasible (they don't make widgets in say-- Canada), so I sell him my widget. Government, being the extortion racket that it is will permit the transaction "free trade", but will take a cut some how-- tariffs, and what have you. 2. What we have is not free trade at all, but a complex system of protecting corporate profits at the expense of American workers. The "sell" is the American consumer gets by with lower wages because stuff that's made in Wehateyoustan is MUCH cheaper, there's less icky NIMBY stuff because widget factories are now all unregulated scorched earth facilities "elsewhere", and "developing nations" can't wait to buy our stuff- so just hold on. It'll all work itself out. 3. It's ALL a big lie. It puts us at great risk economically and militarily to not make stuff right here. This, along with rampant illegal AND LEGAL immigration, and a burgeoning welfare state has created a large and completely unsustainable government dependent permanent underclass. Very good for politicians, not so good for making America great.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 11, 2016 20:21:38 GMT -5
ROTFLMAO!!!! Yes, Trump really cares about the peons. His heart is as big as his tiny little hands. i have some real concerns that he's just lying about it, but the other candidates aren't even saying they'll put America first.
at least he lies to me instead of just telling me he's going to create a permanent caste of poor, hopeless americans to benefit globalist agenda, unlike his competitors...
He called poor people "morons". I don't think he'll lose much sleep over them.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 11, 2016 20:22:51 GMT -5
... i'm just not sure what the US did to deserve being constantly hated AND having to pay freight for the rest of the world. ... Here is a great example: The 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état was a covert operation carried out by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that deposed the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution.[1] Code-named Operation PBSUCCESS, it installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed dictators who ruled Guatemala.
... Despite their moderate policies, the Guatemalan Revolution was widely disliked by the United States government, which was predisposed by the Cold War to see it as communist, and the United Fruit Company (UFC), whose hugely profitable business had been affected by the end to brutal labor practices. 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2016 21:04:58 GMT -5
... i'm just not sure what the US did to deserve being constantly hated AND having to pay freight for the rest of the world. ... Here is a great example: The 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état was a covert operation carried out by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that deposed the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution.[1] Code-named Operation PBSUCCESS, it installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed dictators who ruled Guatemala.
... Despite their moderate policies, the Guatemalan Revolution was widely disliked by the United States government, which was predisposed by the Cold War to see it as communist, and the United Fruit Company (UFC), whose hugely profitable business had been affected by the end to brutal labor practices. 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état we have such a long history of working against democratic movements it is a wonder anyone even needs to ask. www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 11, 2016 22:01:28 GMT -5
Here is a great example: The 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état was a covert operation carried out by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that deposed the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution.[1] Code-named Operation PBSUCCESS, it installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed dictators who ruled Guatemala.
... Despite their moderate policies, the Guatemalan Revolution was widely disliked by the United States government, which was predisposed by the Cold War to see it as communist, and the United Fruit Company (UFC), whose hugely profitable business had been affected by the end to brutal labor practices. 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état we have such a long history of working against democratic movements it is a wonder anyone even needs to ask. www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804So, you see that the globalist agenda is really a profit over people agenda, then?
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 12, 2016 7:15:01 GMT -5
Latest polls showing Trump closing the gap in polls. How the heck does he do that? By staying off the national news programs?
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 12, 2016 7:15:51 GMT -5
What you are calling the globalist agenda and good old fashioned Gunboat Diplomacy are two very different things. Not any longer. It is called the Military Industrial complex these days.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 12, 2016 11:49:54 GMT -5
I'm a RAT. So are most of the people I know. Some are going to Mexico, others to Costa Rico. I'd go to Canada (better weather) but DS just said he can telecommute from Costa Rico.
Reasons I don't like Trump. He: 1. Forgot to learn civics 2. The 'King of Debt' couldn't care less about the small business owner when he declared bankruptcy to avoid paying them 3. Reminds me of a little boy who threw multiple temper tantrums when he dn get his way 4. Objectifying women
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 12, 2016 11:52:30 GMT -5
So, you see that the globalist agenda is really a profit over people agenda, then? i was not addressing globalism in that post. i was addressing the question "why do they hate us?".
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 12, 2016 12:23:09 GMT -5
If we stopped trading with other nations and relied on what we make here at home, is the American consumer going to be happy paying 3x more for those items - and what does that jump in costs due to our economy? Say Trump gets elected and he slaps his tariffs for imports so that everything costs more than home made stuff, in two years time, will the country be happy that Trump forced jobs to come back to the US, or pissed that all the stuff they want to buy suddenly jumped exponentially?
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 12, 2016 12:29:00 GMT -5
Latest polls showing Trump closing the gap in polls. How the heck does he do that? By staying off the national news programs? National news programs have been taken up with the Dallas shootings and civil unrest. All Trump has to do is keep his mouth shut and look presidential - in times when people think we need more law and order, Republicans generally get more votes.
Sanders finally publically came out in support of Hillary. Only about 30% of the young vote that previously went with Sanders has come out for Hillary - still about 40% of them say they're either not voting at all or they're voting third party. It will be interesting to see, now that Sanders did his public declaration, if any of that youth vote shifts to Hillary.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 12, 2016 13:57:28 GMT -5
Latest polls showing Trump closing the gap in polls. How the heck does he do that? By staying off the national news programs? National news programs have been taken up with the Dallas shootings and civil unrest. All Trump has to do is keep his mouth shut and look presidential - in times when people think we need more law and order, Republicans generally get more votes.
Sanders finally publically came out in support of Hillary. Only about 30% of the young vote that previously went with Sanders has come out for Hillary - still about 40% of them say they're either not voting at all or they're voting third party. It will be interesting to see, now that Sanders did his public declaration, if any of that youth vote shifts to Hillary.
How does he look presidential with that face that was deck-stained, white raccoon eyes and that dead weasel atop his head?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 12, 2016 14:23:37 GMT -5
He doesn't look or act presidential. In his latest speech he read someone else's words and managed to not say anything of his own or we would have heard the hate he spews. "I'm the law and order candidate."
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 12, 2016 14:27:42 GMT -5
National news programs have been taken up with the Dallas shootings and civil unrest. All Trump has to do is keep his mouth shut and look presidential - in times when people think we need more law and order, Republicans generally get more votes.
Sanders finally publically came out in support of Hillary. Only about 30% of the young vote that previously went with Sanders has come out for Hillary - still about 40% of them say they're either not voting at all or they're voting third party. It will be interesting to see, now that Sanders did his public declaration, if any of that youth vote shifts to Hillary.
How does he look presidential with that face that was deck-stained, white raccoon eyes and that dead weasel atop his head? he looks like that sunburnt rasin that used to run CountryWide Mortgage. acts like him, too.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 12, 2016 14:28:58 GMT -5
He doesn't look or act presidential. In his latest speech he read someone else's words and managed to not say anything of his own or we would have heard the hate he spews. "I'm the law and order candidate." He looks best when he reads someone else' words, although he makes fun of people who talk from teleprompters. But it's almost always a bad idea for him to wing it. He can't help but put his foot in his mouth.
For him to have the best possible outcome, he needs to only read prepared statements and refrain from bashing Hillary (get his toadies like Christie to do it for him). He's only been able to do this for short periods of time, in the past, because he doesn't get the limelight that he craves but just acting like a normal person, so we'll see if he can hold it together until election day.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 12, 2016 14:32:37 GMT -5
When he's speaking off the cuff without a teleprompter, he exhibits flight of ideas.....like a mental patient.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 12, 2016 14:34:38 GMT -5
He doesn't look or act presidential. In his latest speech he read someone else's words and managed to not say anything of his own or we would have heard the hate he spews. "I'm the law and order candidate." He looks best when he reads someone else' words, although he makes fun of people who talk from teleprompters. But it's almost always a bad idea for him to wing it. He can't help but put his foot in his mouth.
For him to have the best possible outcome, he needs to only read prepared statements and refrain from bashing Hillary (get his toadies like Christie to do it for him). He's only been able to do this for short periods of time, in the past, because he doesn't get the limelight that he craves but just acting like a normal person, so we'll see if he can hold it together until election day.
there is no way he stays on script. he is like Palin. obsessed with the sound of his own voice, and his own importance.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 12, 2016 14:51:21 GMT -5
Latest polls showing Trump closing the gap in polls. How the heck does he do that? By staying off the national news programs? National news programs have been taken up with the Dallas shootings and civil unrest. All Trump has to do is keep his mouth shut and look presidential - in times when people think we need more law and order, Republicans generally get more votes.
Sanders finally publically came out in support of Hillary. Only about 30% of the young vote that previously went with Sanders has come out for Hillary - still about 40% of them say they're either not voting at all or they're voting third party. It will be interesting to see, now that Sanders did his public declaration, if any of that youth vote shifts to Hillary.
Sen. Sanders' endorsing Ms. Clinton is totally incomprehensible to me. I don't see how any self-respecting man can sit on nearly everything he believes in to endorse a candidate whose policies he and his supporters clearly hold in contempt. It boggles the mind. Your two-party system simply boggles the mind. I read somewhere last week that Sen. Elizabeth Warren is being considered for Ms. Clinton's VP pick. What the sweet snowy leopard is that!? It was only the beginning of this year that Sen. Warren was swearing on a stack she wanted nothing to do with Ms. Clinton and her policies, and now she's cozying up to be VP!? Is there so much as one politician down there that actually holds to his/her principles, or does every last one of them sell out faster than a $5.00 blender at Walmart when it becomes even slightly politically expedient to do so?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 12, 2016 15:17:12 GMT -5
Trump bashed everyone in the debates. Had nasty names for them. Now Christy, Dr Carson and who else is kissing up to him.
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